ST/Jaguar port releases for sale at AA

[Saturn]

Why BJL on 7 jags?

My only other one is about to tank and sending these overseas is costly for both money and time.

I have a bjl Cartridge i made for a one or two people a while back that plugs in. its basically a plug and play solution but you have to make your own cable.

Well, idk how to make a cable but interested in the cart. How much does one cost?

[Saturn]

Finally found the More Than Games site that has the BJL adapter.
DB25 cables are pretty inexpensive too, so I'm assuming there's no need to butcher the cable now.

[TrekMD]

I had said that I was somewhat reluctant to pay such a lot of money for games ported from a 16-bit system as I don't feel this is making the best use of the Jag's abilities. However, because Gauntlet 2 has been made to work with the teamtap, I did the unthinkable and ordered it along with R-type. Can't see me buying any more but the pull of 4 player Gauntlet on the Jag was just too much to resist. "Warrior needs food"!

I ordered those two as well for similar reasons.  The one I may consider to add is Joust as it was also enhanced from the ST version.  So, it's not just a straight port from the ST. 

[AmigaJay]

Why can't these games be made to run on the Jag CD? Seems a lot of money for a old ST port on a cart, surely having Gauntlet 2 on CD, even multiple games on one disc and still have the team tap option, or is there a reason why they are selling them on cart?

[Saturn]

Some of the ROMs got too big to put on CD. Early versions of Joust and Gauntlet II work fine but with the additional hacks in Gauntlet and sound files in Joust, they reached 4MB and exceeded what the disk could run once converted and encrypted. I believe that's short version, anyway.

[rush6432]

Why can't these games be made to run on the Jag CD? Seems a lot of money for a old ST port on a cart, surely having Gauntlet 2 on CD, even multiple games on one disc and still have the team tap option, or is there a reason why they are selling them on cart?

because these binaries/roms are made to execute from cart memory address and not ram probably.  Jaguar system ram is only 2mb in size and if the rom is less than that and compiled to run in jaguar system ram, then sure you could burn it to load from jag cd into ram and execute.

However, since most are probably bloated and over 2mb, they must be held on eeproms on cart and executed from there.

Jag cd NORMALLY functions in such a way that once it boots it throws a small "boot loader" program into system ram which then looks back at the cd and loads the game/programs code into system ram and any other graphics or whatever and runs from there. Additionally you could just load one large 1.9mb progam into ram and run that also which is what most of the programs out there do that convert programs to run on jag cd.

Anything thats a homebrew and linked to run from $4000 to $200000 Address and 2mb or less in size can be loaded from jag cd and dumped into ram and run. If linked for cart (start address of $802000, 800000, ect) it has to run from cart

[rush6432]

Why BJL on 7 jags?

My only other one is about to tank and sending these overseas is costly for both money and time.

I have a bjl Cartridge i made for a one or two people a while back that plugs in. its basically a plug and play solution but you have to make your own cable.

Well, idk how to make a cable but interested in the cart. How much does one cost?

I think i was charging like 40-45 for them, but i havnt made any in a while. If you really want one i might be able to snag some parts and do some. I have a few copies of blackout sittnig around too (cart) and other things that might eventually go up for sale when im able to

[Saturn]

Awesome! Well, I'm ready to buy a BJL cart anytime and will buy or bid on a Blackout too.

[zapiy]

What is the difference between a BJL DType 25 to 9 pin connector and a BJL cart?

[Saturn]

I don't know about either but am interested as HELL to find out about the BJL cart

[rush6432]

What is the difference between a BJL DType 25 to 9 pin connector and a BJL cart?

So the BJL cart is just a cartridge version of the bjl mod but you dont have to open your jaguar and hack apart the boot rom and solder in anything. It just loads the BJL loader/interface up from cart and runs.

The good part to this is ease of use and not modding your system, so it stays original.

The db25 to db15 is just converting parallel port on a pc to the 15 pin connector that is found on the jaguar controller ports. You basically use a parallel cable (25 pin) from your pc to the adapter (db25 to db15) right into the 2nd controller port of the jaguar. Thats how you upload homebrew programs via bjl.

Saturn:

Ill check into what i have sitting around in parts at home. I might have some cart parts but was saving them for another release but... im going from memory here, i really dont remember what i have on hand or how much.

[Saturn]

Awesome, and if you don't have enough parts, no worries. Just LOVE stuff related to transferring data between PC and Jag

[SnakeEyes]

The guys doing this have spent years about people pirating their own software and making money of their work, now they are doing it.

They even said that they would stop doing ports as people were selling them and trying to make money of them.

It seems its only ok to make money of other peoples work if they do, not anyone else. this is piracy and the guys doing it are hypcrites.

[rush6432]

The guys doing this have spent years about people pirating their own software and making money of their work, now they are doing it.

They even said that they would stop doing ports as people were selling them and trying to make money of them.

It seems its only ok to make money of other peoples work if they do, not anyone else. this is piracy and the guys doing it are hypcrites.

Just watch anyone try to speak up or question the legality on AA and see what happens. Reboot and company all sit around in a giant circle jerk, dutch ruddering each other and signing up shill accounts to speak out against people questioning their tactics to try to force a negative opinion of the forum poster that questioned them. Its really obvious.... Not to mention they're super paranoid about anyone from the jaguar scene of past posting on their precious AA forums. 40-50+ Year old guys acting like they're 16 years old again. My guess is they worried someone might ruin the only thing good they have left in their life?!? (sad but true probably)

Look at the quality of most of that stuff too. Just because the game is running doesn't mean that the sound works or music works correctly. They aren't porting anything really, just hacking the ST code and redirecting normal ST hardware calls to the jaguar and writing the screen out to a bitmap/screen buffer and using a jaguar audio engine to play music or sounds that are triggered from the ST code. In most cases (almost all) its not even the original audio or music, just some blanket trash to suffice anyone questioning that its missing. Clever idea, but piss poor implementation and honestly if i wanted to play ST games id get an ST.

[TrekMD]

I did see someone complain that their post was removed without notice.  Not sure what the person posted but it could have done with the legality of selling these.