Author Topic: N64 HDMI Converter  (Read 3356 times)

Offline TrekMD

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25976
  • Country: us
  • Karma: 113
    • View Profile
N64 HDMI Converter
« on: February 28, 2014, 20:20:29 PM »
N64 HDMI Converter.[/align:3oeah0z9]
Going to the final frontier, gaming...


Offline retromod

  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 925
  • Karma: 0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.konsolen-mod.de
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 00:20:33 AM »
I am impressed that someone living in europe acts completly against regulation and law. The homepage has no legal information which is simple not allowed at all. So i can not believe he has done any professional project before. Acting commercial requires a lot of regulations to be followed, starting from tax number, commercial registration number, business conducts etc. All the stupidity we all must follow as it is defined by law.

I can not believe that because anybody is able to send a lawyer. Lets wait what happened if the wrong person gets attention here....

The project itself looks interesting. Finally he uses a fpga solution. A technology i am really interested in.
http://www.konsolen-mod.de for mod showroom and configurator

Offline zapiy

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13610
  • Country: england
  • Karma: 95
    • View Profile
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 09:14:05 AM »
The thing is fella some people make these as a home project and because of a little interest they decide to sell them and from my point of view, I say good luck and this I am very interested in.

Not everyone follows the law 100% lol.
Own: Jaguar, Lynx, Dreamcast, Saturn, MegaDrive, MegaCD, 32X, GameGear, PS3, PS, PSP, Wii, GameCube, N64, DS, GBA, GBC, GBP, GB,  Xbox, 3DO, CDi,  WonderSwan, WonderSwan Colour NGPC

Offline TL

  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13372
  • Karma: 1
    • View Profile
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 10:28:05 AM »
Yes I think we covered this before, nobody is going to follow strict regulations for a homebrew project - just doesn't happen, it's not worth the expense for a start.

If it was a commercial product that was sold in stores that would be a different matter.

Offline Carlos

  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1478
  • Country: 00
  • Karma: 2
    • View Profile
    • http://retrotext.blogspot.com
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2014, 10:30:47 AM »
If it is sold as a complete unit it must be RHOS compliant, otherwise it must be sold as parts. TAX minefeid.

Offline zapiy

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13610
  • Country: england
  • Karma: 95
    • View Profile
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2014, 10:57:40 AM »
Yeah like Carl said it does not matter wether it's commercial or not but the fact remains this is a minefield subject and it perhaps best just leave the politics out of it. Just enjoy the project. 
Own: Jaguar, Lynx, Dreamcast, Saturn, MegaDrive, MegaCD, 32X, GameGear, PS3, PS, PSP, Wii, GameCube, N64, DS, GBA, GBC, GBP, GB,  Xbox, 3DO, CDi,  WonderSwan, WonderSwan Colour NGPC

Offline retromod

  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 925
  • Karma: 0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.konsolen-mod.de
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2014, 13:09:13 PM »
Quote from: "The Laird"
Yes I think we covered this before, nobody is going to follow strict regulations for a homebrew project - just doesn't happen, it's not worth the expense for a start.

If it was a commercial product that was sold in stores that would be a different matter.

It does not matter if it is sold or give away for free. The regulation is clear from product view: if you spread it and it does not care if 1 piece or 100 you must follow european rules. Next is the tax side and of course if you plan to sell you are commercial and must follow regulation for commercial business. If it is homebrew only, offer circuit and thats it.

Else you are guilty and if someone is interested in you loose a lot of money. Question is why many stopped their services and offer due to known rules and other do not care and finally do to their work make regulations stronger and stronger (and finally make it harder for all of us).
http://www.konsolen-mod.de for mod showroom and configurator

Offline TrekMD

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25976
  • Country: us
  • Karma: 113
    • View Profile
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2014, 14:26:32 PM »
Quote from: "zapiy"
Yeah like Carl said it does not matter wether it's commercial or not but the fact remains this is a minefield subject and it perhaps best just leave the politics out of it. Just enjoy the project. 

I agree with zap.  I think it is best to discuss this project for its technical aspects which, I think, are rather interesting.  The creator of the project is going to have to deal with the regulators in Europe if they feel this violates the rules. 
Going to the final frontier, gaming...


Offline retromod

  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 925
  • Karma: 0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.konsolen-mod.de
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2014, 17:26:37 PM »
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Quote from: "zapiy"
Yeah like Carl said it does not matter wether it's commercial or not but the fact remains this is a minefield subject and it perhaps best just leave the politics out of it. Just enjoy the project. 

I agree with zap.  I think it is best to discuss this project for its technical aspects which, I think, are rather interesting.  The creator of the project is going to have to deal with the regulators in Europe if they feel this violates the rules.

The feeling is non existant if you look to its webpage....and thats the reason we are knocked soo heavily by the european rules due to such people. If you are ready for orders you are in commercial business anyway.
http://www.konsolen-mod.de for mod showroom and configurator

Offline retromod

  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 925
  • Karma: 0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.konsolen-mod.de
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 08:35:31 AM »
Btw. I just found out that using HDMI without license is illegal. So not really wise to offer them for others as using HDMI requires to get a license agreement (25.000 Eur/year). It seems the provided solution here is based on a "found" key which is normally kept secretly by licensed vendors.

I did a little research on that topic as the time of analog inputs is limited. S-Video is non-existant on modern TV. RGB and AV still available. But how long? No quarantee given by vendors. VGA is dead, too. DVI seems to be an option but most likely obsolete due to HDMI which is currently a real standard for all digital devices. So after delivering an RGB mod for all consoles (which is currently in development with constantly progress - I found a source for the required IC's which deliver them for a fraction of normal costs allowing a mod for about $25 and $35 with stereo/surround and 3D audio output) a digital output is on the wishlist.

So the only way to go for non-mass production products is to use already licensed products and try to alter them for your needs. As upscaling requires clever algorithm an anti-aliasing method is the minimum requirement sogether with 4:3 scaling and scaling based on console requirements (like on coleco vision).
http://www.konsolen-mod.de for mod showroom and configurator

Offline TrekMD

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25976
  • Country: us
  • Karma: 113
    • View Profile
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 10:47:31 AM »
Does the rule apply if they only sell to users in the US or anywhere else outside of Europe?
Going to the final frontier, gaming...


Offline retromod

  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 925
  • Karma: 0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.konsolen-mod.de
Re: N64 HDMI Converter
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2014, 14:18:28 PM »
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Does the rule apply if they only sell to users in the US or anywhere else outside of Europe?

well if you are not part of the HDMI license schema you are not allowed to use it. despite where you are living.
You are able to be member if you pay.... quite easy (industry rulez). All other is illegal from point of view.
http://www.konsolen-mod.de for mod showroom and configurator

 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk
SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2022, SimplePortal