Arcade Vs. Console

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[align=center:28l05e40]Game Sack - Arcade vs Console 1

Game Sack - Arcade vs Console 2[/align:28l05e40]

[TrekMD]

Cool videos.  Both cover some good arcade games and their conversions.  Interesting to see that some of the conversions were so poor despite being ported to relatively powerful systems.

[TL]

I really want to like Game Sack because their production values are high and they cover good subjects, but for everything good that they do they always do just as much bad that really lets them down. I can tolerate their wooden presenting but have a real problem with how hypocritical they often are and they way they don't check simple facts before making a video. These two vids are a prime example.

In the first one they talk about how they are ONLY going to look at direct conversions of the arcade games, so won't be looking at Super Fantasy Zone etc. Yet they already looked at Super EDF, which isn't a direct conversion of the arcade game, and then looked at the updated PS1 version of Fantasy Zone, which isn't a direct conversion of the arcade game! Make up your minds! Don't say one thing and then do the opposite to suit your own agenda, they also look at a bunch of games in the second video that are not direct conversion of the arcade game.

Claiming the ugly, flickery and unfairly difficult NES Ninja Gaiden is better than the arcade version is just ridiculous. Claiming it was the best home port of the game is even funnier. The Lynx version is very close to the arcade original so not sure why they claimed it was somehow paired down and not knowing how to grab the platform above you is just embarrassing (all you have to do is press option 1). I also found it laughable the way they tried to claim the NES version of the Turtles arcade game was close to the arcade game when it clearly wasn't. Only two enemies on screen at a time, horrendous flicker and horrible bland colours does not equal arcade quality to me.

[SnakeEyes]

I really want to like Game Sack because their production values are high and they cover good subjects, but for everything good that they do they always do just as much bad that really lets them down. I can tolerate their wooden presenting but have a real problem with how hypocritical they often are and they way they don't check simple facts before making a video. These two vids are a prime example.

In the first one they talk about how they are ONLY going to look at direct conversions of the arcade games, so won't be looking at Super Fantasy Zone etc. Yet they already looked at Super EDF, which isn't a direct conversion of the arcade game, and then looked at the updated PS1 version of Fantasy Zone, which isn't a direct conversion of the arcade game! Make up your minds! Don't say one thing and then do the opposite to suit your own agenda, they also look at a bunch of games in the second video that are not direct conversion of the arcade game.

Claiming the ugly, flickery and unfairly difficult NES Ninja Gaiden is better than the arcade version is just ridiculous. Claiming it was the best home port of the game is even funnier. The Lynx version is very close to the arcade original so not sure why they claimed it was somehow paired down and not knowing how to grab the platform above you is just embarrassing (all you have to do is press option 1). I also found it laughable the way they tried to claim the NES version of the Turtles arcade game was close to the arcade game when it clearly wasn't. Only two enemies on screen at a time, horrendous flicker and horrible bland colours does not equal arcade quality to me.

Look, Laird, I like you I really do. You have some great knowledge and write some good articles, but this superior I know better, holy than thou attitude you have when tearing apart nearly every article or video is getting tiresome and its starting to stop me wanting to visit here sometimes.

Some of the stuff ( ninja gaiden etc are personal opinions ) and not to be rude here but some of yours are just as strange to other people. It seems you only have an issue when its regarding Nintendo getting praise or you feel you need to defend atari ( such as the Kasumi ninja thing )

You are starting to come across as a bit of a snob and know it all. I don't mean to have a go at you and this will be the very last time I mention it as I refuse to get into internet arguments.

[TL]

Everyone is welcome to an opinion and the whole point of internet forums is to give opinions. One of the reasons I don't post on Retro Gamer anymore is because certain people there troll you just for having one. Something we do not tolerate here.

I gave valid points, backed up with facts on the hypocrisy in these videos - it is clear to see. You could say my opinions are biased, I could say theirs are lacking in facts - that is up to the individual. But if you don't know the controls to a game then read the bloody instructions! That is just amateur.

Other people criticised the Kasumi Ninja video before I did by the way, I just echoed their concerns and pointed out how those graphics would be impossible to do on a 16-bit machine, a criticism based in fact. I never said Kasumi Ninja was the greatest fighter ever did I?

I like Game Sack in many ways, which is why I post their videos, and don't see anything wrong with discussing what is right/wrong with them. Some people criticise my You Tube videos, and they are welcome to, I welcome opinions.

The whole "Laird hates Nintendo" thing is beyond boring, another reason I don't post on RG anymore. If I hated Nintendo so much then I wouldn't have just bought a 3DS. Ridiculous notion to be honest, I like video games whether they be Atari, Sega, Nintendo or anyone else.

[zapiy]

I am not one for facts in a big way, however i am a huge retro fan and thats where is starts and finishes for me lol..

[TrekMD]

I must admit that I didn't pick up on some of those factual errors that Laird pointed out.  Others I just chose to ignore.  Regardless, I have no problem with factual errors being brought up and discussed.  They are, after all, facts and bringing it up should just be a way to engage discussion on the topic.

I agree with Laird about Ninja Gaiden.  The games should be looked at as how accurate they are when it comes to ports from the arcade and the NES version isn't as accurate as the Lynx version.  As a true port of the arcade, the Lynx version is better than the NES version. 

This is not unique to this game either.  Nintendo wanted the arcade ports to the NES to be unique in some way and that meant that many times the games were changed from the original arcade in some way.  I've found myself disappointed by some of the NES arcade ports for that reason.  That said, I do enjoy TMNT on the NES.  Is it arcade-perfect?  No, but still enjoyable. 

[SnakeEyes]

The whole Ninja gaiden thing is a personal opiunion though, I know other people who grew up on the NES version and loved it, then were dissapointed by the arcade version because it was not what they grew up with. despite it being the original. Its whatever angle you approach it from.

[TrekMD]

The whole Ninja gaiden thing is a personal opiunion though, I know other people who grew up on the NES version and loved it, then were dissapointed by the arcade version because it was not what they grew up with. despite it being the original. Its whatever angle you approach it from.

Personal opinion is the preference for one over the other because of gameplay or graphics or nostalgia and I understand someone preferring one version over the other because of that.  That does not change the fact that the NES game is not an accurate port of the arcade, though. 

[SnakeEyes]

The whole Ninja gaiden thing is a personal opiunion though, I know other people who grew up on the NES version and loved it, then were dissapointed by the arcade version because it was not what they grew up with. despite it being the original. Its whatever angle you approach it from.

Right at the beginning of video one they say straight away they are going to compare EDF to Super EDF, and when they get  to fantasy zone all they say is that the versions they are comparing are all ports of the original, and then explaining that they did not include the other versions. To me it came across that they already had loads of versions to compare so they would just do those ( seeing as how the MD had 2 ports it made total sense to only use the original for MD ) it did not seem at all to me that it was a set rule for all of the videos. in fact all it seemed like is that they were acknowledging that there were other versions but they decided to just select a few. Laird made it seem like it was a rule set in stone in the firts video and they broke it. Which is nothing like what happened.

As for Turtles, I did not see them claim it was " close " to the arcade, I heard them say it was a good representation of the arcade despite being on an 8bit system and that they did a good job despite the hardware differences. they mentioned that the hit detection was off and the bosses were a little too hard compared to the arcade. Laird made it sound like they were claiming it was near arcade perfect.

I fail to see the problem in all honesty. I really feel like laird has magnified any problems he has with these vids.

[SnakeEyes]

The whole Ninja gaiden thing is a personal opiunion though, I know other people who grew up on the NES version and loved it, then were dissapointed by the arcade version because it was not what they grew up with. despite it being the original. Its whatever angle you approach it from.

Personal opinion is the preference for one over the other because of gameplay or graphics or nostalgia and I understand someone preferring one version over the other because of that.  That does not change the fact that the NES game is not an accurate port of the arcade, though.

I understand that, but it does explain why they liked the NES version better and maybe why the Laird should maybe have not taken so much offense about them stating that they liked that version better.

and to be fair they never claimed that it was an accurate port.

[TL]

They showed PS1 Fantasy Zone, which is not a port and is in fact a remake.

I have also seen it stated several times before that NES Ninja Gaiden was created along side the arcade game and was intended to be a different game, which is why they are so different. So if that is true and taking that into account, you could say that it never should have even been included as it's not an arcade conversion at all!

Regardless, I have expressed my opinion, you have expressed yours. Doesn't make one right and one wrong, opinions are personal and the world would be a very boring place if we all had the same one.

[Greyfox]

Ninja Gaiden is great no matter what platform it's on, the NES version was ridiculously over the top on its difficulty compared to the arcades, but all these games played by us and other all boils down to their opinion and perspective without it, we wouldn't have the great classics we have today or be able to compare too, I personally don't think Laird was attempting to be high and might or consenting to anybody regarding this, he simply disassembled the relevance of the choice of games covered which at no time other by name had anything to do with their arcade counter parts.

I also appreciate your opinion and can see your point, but I fail to see bias here..and nobody better mention or suggest Ninja Gaiden "Shadow Warriors" are a poor game or expect a visit from Hayabusa to make you see from his perspective