Amiga Thread

[AmigaJay]

I fully understand your viewpoint but it does not change the fact that a computer for many times more money
was matched or even outclassed by a console.....which is all I am saying for a computer with the supposed capabilities of the Amiga, I hardly see the justification for the cost of the machine that if I remember correctly did not even come with a hard drive. Yes it had games no one else had but so did the Genny and the ST.

A computer will always cost more than a console as its used for alot more than just playing games, i used mine for art, music, dtp, video titling etc

And if you weren't around in the UK when they were around you would have missed the point that the Amiga and ST had most of the multiformat games first, as i said above, the console versions had to wait 6 months - 2 years sometimes to get ports of the top games which is something people neglect to see looking back, even then the ports are painfully awful in comparison i.e lotus 2, chaos engine etc
And of course the Amiga/ST spec was made in 1985 The MD in 1988 of course its gonna be stronger in some aspects, the snes another 2 years later (or 1992 in EU) plus consoles weren't capable of every amiga/st games,  i dont see many polygon games on the MD or Snes because they aren't very good at doing them.
Soundwise the Amiga pisses all over the MD in term of multichannel sound and sample support, the snes is alot better but again is 5 years newer so you should expect so!
A few models came with a hard drive, but the price increase of even 32mb hdd were silly for a budget computer, sure you could pay £1000 for a pc that played games via hdd, the amiga was down to £349 by xmas 1990 (the md was £189 not the 'many more times' less than twice infact) but the amiga was great for the simple fact you could just put a disk in and it would load, plug a joystick or mouse in and it would work...pcs were and still are a chore to use.
So yes there was plenty of reason to buy one, 5 million people agreed.

[SnakeEyes]

I fully understand your viewpoint but it does not change the fact that a computer for many times more money
was matched or even outclassed by a console.....which is all I am saying for a computer with the supposed capabilities of the Amiga, I hardly see the justification for the cost of the machine that if I remember correctly did not even come with a hard drive. Yes it had games no one else had but so did the Genny and the ST.

Not to be rude or anything, but are you from the UK. Its just that the Amiga was capable of far more than just playing games and you seem unaware of just why it was seen as such a good buy. art packages, music packages.

I agree that overall consoles were better for certain types of arcade action style of games. but consoles just could not hope to even touch the amiga when we are talking about things like Monkey island, Championship manager and such. It was not just that it had games that consoles did not have, it had games that consoles at the time could not even hope to have, and they were a lot cheaper.

Lets not forget the amazing homebrew and shareware scene and the ease of piracy also really helped its success.

[Gorf]

Rude? More like assuming you know something about me. I am WELL AWARE of what the Amiga is capable of.
If both just can get over your fanboyism for 5 minutes you would have seen I already said how I understand
fully what you are talking about. What I am saying is almost unrelated...because it it PURELY FROM A TECHNICAL
POINT OF VIEW!!!!! Did we get it this time? I should hope so. For what the Amiga was capable of, I hardly find it
worth all that extra money if playing games was the only interest. I did NOT need to be in the UK. There was more
than plenty of Commodore following here in the US.

Also, if it were possible to code for the consoles at the time, you would have seen just as much home brew and
probably more. With the number of Genny's and SNES vs the number of ST's and Amiga's, I hardly doubt you'd
see a lack of support from outside of the official Sega/Ninty chain of command if it were possible at the time( and
it was actually, just no one tended to bother much with it.)

I Also believe that the games would be pretty smoking as well. Of course you will have much more memory and
bigger space with an Amiga/ST but most of the time that could still be overcome with cartridges and the fact that
the Genny had a CD add on. The SNES would have suffered more since Ninty never bothered to release their
selling point CD add on.

I am perfectly fine with the facts and your reasons why you like the Amiga...I was an ST guy myself and no I
did not own a Genny either at the time. My posts have simply been about the technical merits of said systems.
We are talking 8 hardware sprites where the Genny had 64 and 80 sprites depending on the mode and the SNES
had 128 hardware sprites. Though the Blitter in the Amiga was good, it was not that good.

Clearly the consoles had their advantages as did the computers. Fact still remains is that the libraries of the
SNES and Genny are probably still larger regardless. Had Sega pulled an Atari(that Atari never actually pulled)
and released a computer keyboard add on, Im sure it could have competed well with the Amiga/ST lines given
the marketing power Sega had over both Commodore and Atari at the time.

[SnakeEyes]

Rude? More like assuming you know something about me. I am WELL AWARE of what the Amiga is capable of.
If both just can get over your fanboyism for 5 minutes you would have seen I already said how I understand
fully what you are talking about. What I am saying is almost unrelated...because it it PURELY FROM A TECHNICAL
POINT OF VIEW!!!!! Did we get it this time? I should hope so. For what the Amiga was capable of, I hardly find it
worth all that extra money if playing games was the only interest. I did NOT need to be in the UK. There was more
than plenty of Commodore following here in the US.

Also, if it were possible to code for the consoles at the time, you would have seen just as much home brew and
probably more. With the number of Genny's and SNES vs the number of ST's and Amiga's, I hardly doubt you'd
see a lack of support from outside of the official Sega/Ninty chain of command if it were possible at the time( and
it was actually, just no one tended to bother much with it.)

I Also believe that the games would be pretty smoking as well. Of course you will have much more memory and
bigger space with an Amiga/ST but most of the time that could still be overcome with cartridges and the fact that
the Genny had a CD add on. The SNES would have suffered more since Ninty never bothered to release their
selling point CD add on.

I am perfectly fine with the facts and your reasons why you like the Amiga...I was an ST guy myself and no I
did not own a Genny either at the time. My posts have simply been about the technical merits of said systems.
We are talking 8 hardware sprites where the Genny had 64 and 80 sprites depending on the mode and the SNES
had 128 hardware sprites. Though the Blitter in the Amiga was good, it was not that good.

Clearly the consoles had their advantages as did the computers. Fact still remains is that the libraries of the
SNES and Genny are probably still larger regardless. Had Sega pulled an Atari(that Atari never actually pulled)
and released a computer keyboard add on, Im sure it could have competed well with the Amiga/ST lines given
the marketing power Sega had over both Commodore and Atari at the time.

Now whi is assuming, I am far from an Amiga fanboy I am a Huge Megadrive and Snes fan and given the choice would have either one of those. I am simply giving you a counter argument.

Again you use the could have argument. Could have is irrelevant.

Ps I think you may need to re-evaluate your ideas on which has the biggest library.

[AmigaJay]

Who cares from a 'technical point of view'?! I dont, the snes cpu was pish compared to the 68000 but it didnt stop it having help with add on chips.
Yes i liked the Amiga the most, but the fact these days via emulation i just keep my favourite 200 games on all 3 platforms, so 'technically' you could say im not biased at all!
Ifs and buts are good in hindsight, in reality all 3 machines were great in some ways and to think the Amiga wasnt worth buying is shortsightedness or not educated enough, that is all.

[Greyfox]

Well I had all 4 an Atari ST for 4yrs, an Amiga for 5yrs, a Snes for 6yrs and a Megadrive for 3yrs and everyone of them had their strengths and weaknesses , but were all incredible machines, The Atari St excelling in Midi and audio production, the Amiga doing video gen-locking and video graphics, the console doing there thing.

I cut my teeth on the Atari ST with Neo-chrome, Degas Elite for the art stuff which is still amazing today and wished I still had my stuff from that time, I moved into music via Microdeal's Quartet to create sample instrument compositions and I won't even mention the compactors available for the ST at the time, boy I miss those days something terrible.

Then onto the Amiga which I truly believe was the next step, you had Deluxe Paint, Brilliance, Protracker which saw me create some 14 hrs of music lol I still have here today. Then you have ScalaMm400 the ultimate video titling software with touch screen support, simple away ahead of it times, so I put it to you, does it really matter what these machine technically could do, superior to the previous ones? The bottom line is and allot of people truly forget this, is that it doesn't matter what they could and couldn't do, it was about the magic of it all. PERIOD!

If It's technically is what your all after then this is the wrong thread IMO to be posting in, this thread is a celebration of what made the Amiga magic, there is also a Snes , Atari St and Megadrive thread elsewhere , or better still start a new one about technically limitations on these machines, but keep it clean and positive, no fanboy bullshit allowed, and also it might be a good idea to show some visual references to what make these machines superior to one another.

Anyways........Amiga Rulez!  Thank you and good night

[SnakeEyes]

Well I had all 4 an Atari ST for 4yrs, an Amiga for 5yrs, a Snes for 6yrs and a Megadrive for 3yrs and everyone of them had their strengths and weaknesses , but were all incredible machines, The Atari St excelling in Midi and audio production, the Amiga doing video gen-locking and video graphics, the console doing there thing.

I cut my teeth on the Atari ST with Neo-chrome, Degas Elite for the art stuff which is still amazing today and wished I still had my stuff from that time, I moved into music via Microdeal's Quartet to create sample instrument compositions and I won't even mention the compactors available for the ST at the time, boy I miss those days something terrible.

Then onto the Amiga which I truly believe was the next step, you had Deluxe Paint, Brilliance, Protracker which saw me create some 14 hrs of music lol I still have here today. Then you have ScalaMm400 the ultimate video titling software with touch screen support, simple away ahead of it times, so I put it to you, does it really matter what these machine technically could do, superior to the previous ones? The bottom line is and allot of people truly forget this, is that it doesn't matter what they could and couldn't do, it was about the magic of it all. PERIOD!

If It's technically is what your all after then this is the wrong thread IMO to be posting in, this thread is a celebration of what made the Amiga magic, there is also a Snes , Atari St and Megadrive thread elsewhere , or better still start a new one about technically limitations on these machines, but keep it clean and positive, no fanboy bullshit allowed, and also it might be a good idea to show some visual references to what make these machines superior to one another.

Anyways........Amiga Rulez!  Thank you and good night

This, every machine is great. No point in coming into a thread and say its pointless to buy an Amiga because technically another machine could do the same thing.

If technical abiltiy is all that matters then a Retro site is the wrong place to be, considering you can go and get a PS3 or 360 because technically that they are better than every machine mentioned.

[Gorf]

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

[Spector]

Consoles are cheaper than computers, but computer games were cheaper than consoles back then, and that was a big advantage, paying £24.99 over £39.99.

[AmigaJay]

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

I really don't know what kind of answer you are expecting then?, we have answered in terms of games the Amiga had more than a match for the consoles, the library was larger, in terms of specs as i said who cares what can shift more sprites when the games are good?
And of course we are gonna defend the Amiga its are favourite machine, go suggest the 7800 cant outdo the nes and see what Atarians come out to get you!
You have had your opinion, and we have answered to our best ability of actually fully understanding what you are trying to get across.
Anyway peace 

[SnakeEyes]

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

Actually, just by saying that " I have seen nothing on the Amiga other machines can't do " or " other machines are much more capable for half the price " and " I don't see the justification for the extra cost ".


All those comments do indeed imply that you do not think the Amiga was worth buying ahead of other machines. What did you expect. Of course people are going to respond and say just why they think the Amiga is worth buying.

You can't say things like that and expect people not to come up with counter arguments. You are inviting a debate with comments like those..

[Gorf]

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

Actually, just by saying that " I have seen nothing on the Amiga other machines can't do " or " other machines are much more capable for half the price " and " I don't see the justification for the extra cost ".


All those comments do indeed imply that you do not think the Amiga was worth buying ahead of other machines. What did you expect. Of course people are going to respond and say just why they think the Amiga is worth buying.

You can't say things like that and expect people not to come up with counter arguments. You are inviting a debate with comments like those..

No you invited yourself to a debate. I simply stated an opinion. That's just wonderful you feel your
Amiga purchase was worth it for the games. Just dandy in fact. But quite honestly to go on and on
about this is really anal.

[Gorf]

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

I really don't know what kind of answer you are expecting then?, we have answered in terms of games the Amiga had more than a match for the consoles, the library was larger, in terms of specs as i said who cares what can shift more sprites when the games are good?
And of course we are gonna defend the Amiga its are favourite machine, go suggest the 7800 cant outdo the nes and see what Atarians come out to get you!
You have had your opinion, and we have answered to our best ability of actually fully understanding what you are trying to get across.
Anyway peace 

I never expected an answer at all quite frankly and if you gave one , then fine...but to drone on and on like this is beyond sane. I get it! You like the Amiga. No surprise. It was a decent machine but hardly cutting edge.

I never said the Amiga can or can't outdo anything. I said I see nothing of what I've seen on the machine
that makes it much better than any of the consoles at that time.

[AmigaJay]

The only person droning on is yourself quite frankly, and you are correct, carry on this 'debate' with you is insane end of.

[Gorf]

The only person droning on is yourself quite frankly, and you are correct, carry on this 'debate' with you is insane end of.

Oh really? I make one comment and you two pile on me completely missing the point of it. No sir,
it is you two who just can't seem to tolerate a difference of opinion. If you did, you'd have dropped
it after the second time I simply re-iterated my point was one of a technical nature. Quite frankly,
I could'nt care less if you like playing games on a See And Say and I think I made that clear. Yet
despite all that you two have fanboy'ed me to tears with your droning. For two people who claim
they are not fanboys of the Amiga, you sure cold have fooled me, and anyone else paying attention.

Now it is definitely END OF! Welcome to my ignore file....the both of you.