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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2013, 17:34:57 PM »
Just in short: The 32X was a great decision by Sega, the only bad thing was they dropped it so early because Sega of Japan wanted all ressources poured into Saturn only. Sega of America wanted the 32X.
I dare to say the 32X could have helped Sega stay competeive; it was a success at first, sold like hot cakes until Sega could not deliver anymore in time. It was more than adequate for its purpose, who knows what we would have seen on it eventually. After all, all that was released was one generation of games. People could get 3D games without shelling out as much as for an all new console. Ingenious.

The 32X should have been supported longer, and the Saturn delayed to tweak the hardware to be better designed so that developers can make more use of the power. Sega could have launched a beefed up Saturn against the N64 then.

Sega's abandoning the 32X was actually my reason for abandoning them. I had saved cash for the 32X when they stopped supporting it, and their actions lead me to buy a PlayStation instead of a Saturn.

But that is of course off-topic.

My experiences with Sega hardware just don't match yours. I only ever experienced three defects with Sega systems, the Dreamcast going back to the bootscreen, the Mega-CD-1-tray not closing correctly and the GG capacitators go bad. I never saw anything else go wrong with any Sega machine.
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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2013, 18:18:17 PM »
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The Lynx had European Soccer Challenge, a superb version of Manchester United Europe by Krisalis/Telegames:



It also had the utterly terrible World Class Soccer too:



Footy not being my thang, looked into a few G.Gear footy games, seems it had 'The Names' in terms of securing the biggest line up, Fifa, Sensi and Super Kick Off, seems it was spoilt somewhat, poor old Lynx had the quality, but not the brand by comparison.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2013, 18:20:44 PM »
Kick Off was actually announced for the Lynx at one point but never materialised.

As was World Cup Italia '90 by US Gold.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2013, 19:20:51 PM »
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Kick Off was actually announced for the Lynx at one point but never materialised.

As was World Cup Italia '90 by US Gold.

But i'm looking at it from point of view of what did arrive on each format, you've said the G.G had a worse selection of software (or something along those lines :-) ) yet it got a lot more of the cream than the Lynx did in key genres.someone looking to buy a colour handheld back then, only had to look to see which had the better software support and games they wanted and sadly the Lynx often came out 2nd best out of it and the G.G.

As well as Footy games, say someone like myself, into his comics and films, G.Gear had Predator II, Terminator, Spiderman, X-Men, Batman etc etc-Lynx had Batman Returns and any other film/comic book tie-in's of this type?.

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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2013, 19:29:59 PM »
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Kick Off was actually announced for the Lynx at one point but never materialised.

As was World Cup Italia '90 by US Gold.

But i'm looking at it from point of view of what did arrive on each format, you've said the G.G had a worse selection of software (or something along those lines :-) ) yet it got a lot more of the cream than the Lynx did in key genres.someone looking to buy a colour handheld back then, only had to look to see which had the better software support and games they wanted and sadly the Lynx often came out 2nd best out of it and the G.G.

As well as Footy games, say someone like myself, into his comics and films, G.Gear had Predator II, Terminator, Spiderman, X-Men, Batman etc etc-Lynx had Batman Returns and any other film/comic book tie-in's of this type?.

No I didn't say it had a worse selection at all, not even close!

I said the quality of Lynx games was much better, very different things.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2013, 19:52:59 PM »
Easy Tiger, i put a ':-)' by it as could'nt recal exactly what was said and said 'something along those lines', hardly going to trawl through a 35 min vid just for a quote on a minor point of discussion.

If your going to talk quality, Lynx had more than it's fair share of duffers....

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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2013, 20:01:41 PM »
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Easy Tiger, i put a ':-)' by it as could'nt recal exactly what was said and said 'something along those lines', hardly going to trawl through a 35 min vid just for a quote on a minor point of discussion.

If your going to talk quality, Lynx had more than it's fair share of duffers....

Sorry I don't agree. For me, and I know I am not alone on this, the Lynx has the best good to bad games ratio of any console out there and there is a reason that the quality of it's library is always brought up in discussion. I would struggle to name 10 bad games from the Lynx's commercial releases. Cyberball, NFL Football, Krazy Ace, Baseball Heroes, World Class Soccer and Ninja Gaiden 3 are really the only ones I can think of, and only one of them isn't a sports game.

I could name 25 poor Game Gear game straight off the bat and I have only played around 100 of them.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2013, 20:22:33 PM »
? No need to be sorry mate, if we all thought the same this place would be pretty dull, lol.

End of the day, it comes down to personal preferences, as i said earlier, Prince Of Persia, tried 1st on ST, never got into it, picked it up on Game gear and was hooked.

APB i had on C64, then St, finally Lynx-Could not put Lynx version down, did that make the C64 or St versions any poorer in terms of quality? no, it just felt more suited to the format.

I rate Blue lighting higher than your goodself, dunno how you feel on Hydra for example, but know a lot of people rate it as poor.Pitfighter, i'd class as poor quality game on any format from coin-op to home conversions, Stun Runner and Hard Drivin i personally feel are more suited to the arcade, than home format, and whilst i cannot have nothing but praise for the technical feats they've pulled off on Lynx, they would'nt be must haves on my Lynx line up.

Puzzle games? i love Crystal Mines II, never a fan of Klax, tried on C64, then ST, so i would'nt go looking for the Lynx version, but then Columns bores the arse off me (more a Lumines/Super puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo type of guy).

Lynx D.strike i was dissapointed with given the hardware, sound espically, so i feel quality in conversion has suffered somewhat, plus G.G had it and Jungle Stike.

Dirty Larry was technically amazing, but not all that to play, Dracula was amazing, but no save system (if memory serves) crippling flaw.

I'll refresh my memory on just what did arrive on Lynx and discuss further.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2013, 20:26:32 PM »
And Ninja Gaiden is in my top 10 on the Lynx.^^

I'm with Rogue Trooper here, maybe the Lynx doesn't have a lot of total stinkers, but I would argue it doesn't have a lot of gems either. The Lynx library consists to me of mostly average or slightly above average games.

Definitely more real hits to be found on both Game Boy and Game Gear for me.  It's all a matter of opinion in the end of course, but I had never heard the argument about an especially positive good to bad ratio in discussions before I talked to you and read some of your magazine scans. I don't think that's a widely accepted fact, but a mere matter of taste.

But that's the thing with opinions, they differ greatly; you and I think Sega made good quality hardware, Rogue Trooper disagrees. I feel like the Jaguar is cheaply built, you disagree. Rogue Trooper thinks the 32X should not have been released, I think it should have been pushed even more. You don't like Reboot's games much, I do; but you like Blackout, which I don't think very highly of. I think you have a soft spot for Pit Fighter, which is an atrocity on any system it was released on in my eyes.
And on Atari Age I entered a shitstorm when I called Fight for Life one of the worst games ever made, which I wholeheartedly believe it is; but some people like it.
One thing you learn in the internet is that there is lots of opinions. :)
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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2013, 20:30:00 PM »
:-) Now....bearing in mind i'm not a racing game fan nor a sports game fan, that rules out any opinion i have on a good few Lynx commercial releases (No Tennis, golf, Hockey, volleyball or car racing titles please), last Chess game i played was on A8,Casino games,  Ishido+Shanghai are'nt me either, going to have a limited selection of genres, lol.


Oh meant to say in last post:Lynx Batman Returns was another case of great visuals, but crippled by a flaw, in this case the absurd difficulty level.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2013, 20:46:32 PM »
It's weird because I have heard people say its too easy as well as too hard!

I always thought it was fine, I can get to the last level but can't finish it.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2013, 20:49:10 PM »
On the Lynx those games are all bad for me:

Hard Drivin
Pitfighter
Dirty Larry
Robosquash
Kung Food
Shadow of the Beast
Pac-Land
Viking Child
Lynx Casino
Basketbrawl
Batman Returns
Bubble Trouble

And I haven't even played all available games yet, and I would not rate Cyberball or the Football and soccer games because they are not my cup of tea. Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, Fat Bobby Double Dragon, Electrocop and Steel Talons are not much more fun imo.

Then comes a lot of average or fairly good stuff with Rygar, Battlezone 2000, Switchblade II, Xybots, Dracula, Ninja Gaiden 1 & 3, Blue Lightning, Chip's Challenge and Paperboy being my favorites. But even there... Paperboy or Ninja Gaiden would probably not be on my top 10 list on the GG, the cream of the crop there is of a higher level to me.

What I love about the Lynx is how unique its games are, and how powerful the handheld is. But it's just no match to for the competition when it comes to official releases imo. I could just name so many more gems on the GG and GB...

And please, take no offense, I think such threads re dor discussion, and while I prefer the GG's and GB's official libraries, it is the Lynx that stole my heart with its unique flair. :)

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It's weird because I have heard people say its too easy as well as too hard!

I always thought it was fine, I can get to the last level but can't finish it.

Really, people calling it too easy? It's barely playable imo, the enemies come at you relentlessly. Such a shame because I'm a comic fan and the graphics are good. Yet again, on the GG there is an uglier, but much more fun version of Batman Returns and the also better Adventures of Batman & Robin.
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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2013, 20:51:37 PM »
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And Ninja Gaiden is in my top 10 on the Lynx.^^

I'm with Rogue Trooper here, maybe the Lynx doesn't have a lot of total stinkers, but I would argue it doesn't have a lot of gems either. The Lynx library consists to me of mostly average or slightly above average games.

Definitely more real hits to be found on both Game Boy and Game Gear for me.  It's all a matter of opinion in the end of course, but I had never heard the argument about an especially positive good to bad ratio in discussions before I talked to you and read some of your magazine scans. I don't think that's a widely accepted fact, but a mere matter of taste.

But that's the thing with opinions, they differ greatly; you and I think Sega made good quality hardware, Rogue Trooper disagrees. I feel like the Jaguar is cheaply built, you disagree. Rogue Trooper thinks the 32X should not have been released, I think it should have been pushed even more. You don't like Reboot's games much, I do; but you like Blackout, which I don't think very highly of. I think you have a soft spot for Pit Fighter, which is an atrocity on any system it was released on in my eyes.
And on Atari Age I entered a shitstorm when I called Fight for Life one of the worst games ever made, which I wholeheartedly believe it is; but some people like it.
One thing you learn in the internet is that there is lots of opinions. :)

^^^^^^ Here is wisdom.

See 1 thing that drew me to the Lynx was Blue Lightning, just could'nt believe what i was seeing on a handheld and i personally love the game itself, but others find it very shallow.

Lemmings i prefer on G.G, Laird probably prefers the Lynx version.

The Lynx is a superb platform, if your looking for a few original games (in terms of real showcase titles) and after that are looking for conversions from arcade or 16 Bit micro, where as Game gear, it's blessing was also a curse, being so easy to port MS games to, it recived a lot of cut down versions of MD favs (Road Rash, Ecco, Sonic, SOR etc), as well as having it's own versions of of things like Shinobi as well as conversions from arcades etc, but thing is, it recived far more of them, so you had a wider range of titles to choose from in a genre, which matters to someone like myself, who'll love a genre, but hate the established titles, i.e:

Sandbox:i:ll take Scarface over GTA:S.A anyday, or Tomb Raider i'll pass ta, Uncharted/Soul Reaver? hell yes.turn Based:Advance wars? snore...warhammer 40,000 yes please.


I need the variety to pick and choose, with Lynx that selection was always limited.

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Re: The Sega Game Gear Thread
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2013, 20:53:53 PM »
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It's weird because I have heard people say its too easy as well as too hard!

I always thought it was fine, I can get to the last level but can't finish it.

I'm no stranger to hard games (finished demon's and Dark Souls this gen alone), but i found Lynx Batman returns hard as in far too frustrating to play, really soured the taste as game looked superb.

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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2013, 21:01:01 PM »
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Lemmings i prefer on G.G, Laird probably prefers the Lynx version.

Most things I can understand, but not this! There is just nothing that is better about the Game Gear version.

 

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