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Retro Console Gaming => Atari Chat => Topic started by: TrekMD on June 11, 2017, 15:40:59 PM

Title: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 11, 2017, 15:40:59 PM
Looks like the folks from Hyperkin will be releasing a new console that will play Atari 2600 games called the Retron77.  It is listed on their page for E3:  Hyperkin, Inc. (http://mp037jm24.mapyourshow.com/7_0/exhibitor/exhibitor-details.cfm?ExhID=vKfzxkpC)  It will let us play 2600 carts at 1080p resolution.  Sounds cool to me.  Something to keep our eyes on.

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag160/TrekMD/RVG%20Images/Hyperking_zpssra6mwfg.png)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 14, 2017, 02:41:08 AM
Well, it is here!  Here are a couple of pictures. 

Estimated $40 price point.
Should work with Harmony cart.
No release date yet.
 
Currently does work with Harmony cart. This will remain pending legal dept approval.
 
Has 4x3 and 16x9 modes. Has color & b/w modes
 
Built around Stella emulator
 
Will work with track balls, 3rd party controllers, etc.
 
The USB port is for power. Considering making it open source based on what they've seen from the Atari community. No save states yet. Hardware is very early. Input lag doesn't seem to be a problem. Had a very good run in both Atari Pac-Man and Missile Command. For an early prototype it's a very impressive product.

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag160/TrekMD/RVG%20Images/Retron%20N77%202_zpsbizimnez.jpg)

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag160/TrekMD/RVG%20Images/Retron%20N77_zps42a6ffks.jpg)


Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: Shadowrunner on June 14, 2017, 03:42:06 AM
Looks nice. Good price too.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 15, 2017, 22:05:51 PM
This video was posted by Hyerkin on FB:  https://www.facebook.com/HyperkinGames/videos/1380516251983467/
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 18, 2017, 01:15:46 AM
This was posted on AA:

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Hi guys, I'm Andrew Steel from Hyperkin. First I want to thank you all for your support, it means a lot to our company and to me personally. I'm very excited to work on this project, aiming to make it as good as it gets. That's why I'm here to share my thoughts and hear your opinions.

We did license Stella and obtained a custom build with a few important improvements. As many of you noticed, there is a 2-seconds loading screen when you hotswap the game. It is actually there only to ensure the hotswap procedure happens smoothly. It is only a prototype for now, and we didn't want any hiccups to occur at E3. In the final version the loading screen will be gone, because I think normally users wouldn't mind hitting Reset if the console occasionally attempts to read the cart earlier than it's fully inserted.

It is a very challenging task to cover the vast library of games and homebrews. But I know that supporting certain things is cruicial, so we went an extra mile and developed a way to work with Harmony. I cannot guarantee that this feature will still be present in the final release due to certain potential legal concerns, but we all understand its importance to the scene and will do our best to keep it.

Our primary goal is to ensure good compatibility with real cartridges because well, they are awesome, and the 2600 is actually a quite affordable platform to collect for. Please message us with your contact info if you are willing to jump on board and offer your help with testing the system for compatibility.

Also, since we officially partner with the scene, I would actually prefer for the system to be open-source. In my envision, it will ship with our own Stella build, hardware-wise prepared to be tinkered with -- just in case if someone out there wants to remove or add any features they want.

We understand that the system has to be affordable, so our target price is 50 USD, give or take. Too early to state it firmly and predict the costs, we are still working on the features. I think it generally would be a bad idea to add some extra hardware just to support a peripheral used in 2-3 games and make the system way too expensive, so we expect to go for a good balance of what it does and what it does not. Again, if you are willing to offer your help with that, even just an opinion, please don't hesitate and message me and our R&D department at developer@hyperkin.com.

As it is for now, I can confirm that our newest build has the following working physical buttons that we plan to bring to the front: reset, select, save, load; a few buttons on the back: difficulty, game mode, color/bw/scanlines, aspect ratio, glitch switch. As most of people who came to talk to me and to try to earlier prototype, it plays games in clear HD without any noticeable issues.

As for the controller to ship with the system, we expect to stick to the classic design with a paddle wheel on the side or perhaps just around the stick. It's our own design but of course original joysticks will work as well. I'd personally refrain from anything D-pad based because if you want one, you can use a Genesis controller, but please feel free to share your thoughts.

Now, the release date, we will try to make it happen before Christmas. It is also a very challenging plan, but we work hard to make it happen.

And for those of you who wonder in the previous posts, your humble servant is 32 :-)


Title: Retron77 - Hyperkins take on an Atari mini
Post by: Vadergb on June 21, 2017, 10:59:15 AM
With the Atari box and this, its safe to say the Atari VCS is still going strong.

I'm not always the biggest Hyperkin fan, though I do own a few of their consoles.

HDMI, 9 Pin Joysticks and USB Support for other controllers, this could be decent. Consoles live and die on their joysticks, and the controllers i've got for the Retron 3 and 5 are poor.

This was pinched from an AA poster but very valid - lets hope that:
1.  Plays near 100 percent of library including harmony cart and homebrews. 
2.  Cart port that can accept all third party cart designs. 
3.  sound and color accuracy
4.  System durability

(https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/16e96824c4af2a4662754b1a6edcc2c5/205377004/atariretron77_1800-ed.jpg)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on April 01, 2018, 18:42:40 PM
It's been a while but, apparently, there is a sing up page to preorder:  RetroN 77 Preorder Sing Up (https://hyperkinlab.com/retron-77-premium-retro-gaming-console-for-2600/).

(https://i.imgur.com/EPIGI3D.png)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: zapiy on April 02, 2018, 23:57:50 PM
Do we need all the new consoles? Bubble will burst soon.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on April 03, 2018, 02:55:43 AM
Probably not.  I guess the point of this one is letting you play 2600 games with a console that does HDMI. 
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: zapiy on April 03, 2018, 07:49:21 AM
I guess, what we need to know its what the official console is all about. Until then we are in murky waters.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on May 08, 2018, 01:35:28 AM
An update was posted today on Atari Age by Andrew from Hyperkin.  Here is what he posted...

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Hi Everyone!

First of all, our apologies for the delay and silence on our part. It's been a long wait, and we truly appreciate your support, as well as all the suggestions and ideas. The final hardware has been finally approved and submitted to mass-production, so it's not going to be a long wait from now on.

We hope for the Retron 77 to be a good product; now it's time to answer your questions, and to say clearly what it is (and what it's not).

Second of all, yes - we indeed licensed a very early version of Stella, but as many people here on this thread mentioned, re-inventing the wheel would be simply pointless, same as reaching out to every single contributor. That is why the R77 is going to be released as an open-source system with its source codes available for the community. Certainly, it comes with a stable and fully functional core that you won't need to tinker with, but if tinkering is your game, then we encourage you to do so. It comes with a nice yet simple GUI.

We heard your thoughts on the amount of money that thing should cost, and of course we understand that it cannot be too much. We aim for this system to be affordable, and while I cannot tell you the MSRP just yet (it will soon be officially announced), we are being realistic and community-friendly. We know how much the Harmony cartridge alone costs, and we hope for this system to be not very far from that. Also, we expect to open pre-orders soon.

As we promised, it comes with all the necessary switches. So if you want to toggle difficulty for both players, game mode, color and black-and-white picture, screen aspect ratio, quick-save and quick-load your game - all that is readily available. There is also a glitch switch that was added just for fun (you can change its purpose if you are familiar with coding).
 
The system will ship with our new joystick controller which those of you who came to E3 last year had liked a lot. There will be an interesting extra feature for the left-handed people (or the right-handed people who want a challenge) - another Fire button. Certainly, other standard joysticks (like our Cirka controller for example) are also supported, as well as Genesis/MD gamepads. Standard paddle controllers are supported as well.  On the top of that, we have another interesting controller that we expect to release at the same time or shortly after the system: it's a combo gamepad that has a little paddle built into it. We went through a lot of prototypes, including a few things suggested in this thread, and decided to go with this option. It has a toggle switch to enable left-handed mode as well.

Certainly, there are many obscure controllers out there, but the system will not support any other types of peripherals out of the box. Again, in an equation where cost and development time (already long enough) are the main variables, we believe this to be a reasonable compromise...

The system takes standard cartridges (all those we tested with my guests at last year's E3 and a few more types). Since it's an open-source system, we thought it would be a good idea to equip it with an SD card slot to make it easier for homebrew developers to get on board. That SD card will also conveniently contain the operating system (and Stella) for easy testing. We decided to drop Harmony support in favor of the SD card because supporting it requires some higher-end hardware, and we believe its homebrew functionality is basically replicated with the SD card.

If you are a developer and you want your game to be included with the system (of course with proper credit given to you or your studio in the EULA file) - please reach out to our R&D team (developer@hyperkin.com) or me directly on Linkedin. Depending on how this goes, we might offer limited amount of devkits to a selected number of developers.

It supports hot-swapping cartridges (you won't have to power down the system to change your games). Save files are good for keeping high scores or getting to see just how crazy some games like Missile Command get past a seven-digit score.

So basically, we wanted this system to be a convenient way to play games off cartridges, with common controllers on an HD TV. It's homebrew- and community-friendly. It's not the ultimate all-in-one answer to just any request, yet it's a good way to put your games collection into some good use, and to preserve the legacy by introducing our kids to what we used to play back in the days.

With all that said, we at Hyperkin and me personally want to thank everyone on this thread. Your support has made this project possible.

Yours truly,

Dr. Andrew Steel
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: DeadVoivod on May 08, 2018, 05:40:02 AM
Probably not.  I guess the point of this one is letting you play 2600 games with a console that does HDMI.

Like HDMI is soooo important when playing 2600 games :D
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on May 08, 2018, 12:11:30 PM
Have you bought a TV recently?  No AV inputs.  Not even an antenna connector in many nowadays.  Only HDMI input. So, how would you connect a 2600 to one of those TV's?  It may not be important for the games themselves but it may be the only way to connect to play the games.  :)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: DeadVoivod on May 08, 2018, 12:54:56 PM
Any SCART to HDMI adapter ;)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on May 08, 2018, 13:27:47 PM
We don't use those in the US.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: Spector on May 08, 2018, 16:47:28 PM
The quality from SCART to HDMI adaptors is very poor in my experience. Probably a direct HDMI input would be better.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: DeadVoivod on May 08, 2018, 17:49:32 PM
Of course, I get that, but the quality of 2600 games is quite poor too.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: Spector on May 08, 2018, 20:40:16 PM
The argument of "atari vcs games are poor quality so its better to have a poor quality picture to play them with" doesn't make much sense to me tbh.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: Vadergb on May 09, 2018, 17:43:57 PM
I'm a little bit positive about this. The MD, NES, Snes have been done to death with clones that can play carts but Atari's have just been flashback consoles with non working cartridge ports.

Warlords on a 65" screen should be fun (even if not in the corect ratio). I wonder how difficult it would of been to include 7800 support?

Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on May 09, 2018, 19:46:58 PM
7800 support was discussed but I think they decided to not pursue it at this juncture. 
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 13, 2018, 01:23:08 AM
Hey everyone, this is now available to preorder with an expected shipping date of July 7.  You can order here:  Hyperkin Lab (https://hyperkinlab.com/preorder-retron-77-premium-retro-gaming-console-for-2600-hyperkin/)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 23, 2018, 04:24:55 AM
Metal Jesus received a review unit.  Here is his video looking at it...

https://youtu.be/iDbD0_NS_XU
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: Shadowrunner on June 25, 2018, 02:24:38 AM
A few issues but overall it looks pretty good.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 25, 2018, 03:08:22 AM
I agree.  I think it is worth the buy.  Besides, since it is open source, I'm sure people will post hacked BIOS (or whatever it is called on these things) that will address some of the issues.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: DeadVoivod on June 25, 2018, 08:44:38 AM
Nice console but OUCH :o do the Atari games look bad :-\ Who still wants to play them?
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 25, 2018, 12:48:25 PM
Those who have the nostalgia for them and many others.  You'd be surprised by how many people enjoy 2600 games. 
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: DeadVoivod on June 26, 2018, 06:50:52 AM
I probably NEVER did enjoy 2600 games, growing up with the C64 was delightful. Although before we had the Philips GX7000, was nice, as it was the only console available, but oh man, even out of nostalgia, I wouldn't play the those games anymore.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 26, 2018, 13:36:04 PM
To each their own.  Good thing no one is forcing you to buy this or play those games. 
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: DeadVoivod on June 27, 2018, 06:19:38 AM
I have O2EM2, the Odyssey2/Videopac emulator, brings indeed memories back.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 27, 2018, 23:37:06 PM
I have O2EM2, the Odyssey2/Videopac emulator, brings indeed memories back.

That system has a following as well and the Odyssey 2 has even simpler graphics than the 2600.  In all honesty, though, you may be thinking of early 2600 games when you think of the console instead of the later titles or even homebrew games. 

So, maybe this comes to mind:

(https://i.imgur.com/zNqZ61r.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/1CjJJcp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FGve3nx.png)

Instead of something like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/EY927zR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jmYl8g0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1dmrqPm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ci0v3x6.png)
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: Shadowrunner on June 28, 2018, 04:32:34 AM
I'm not really a fan of the 2600 either. It was a part of my childhood but today the games just look to primitive. Some of those games look really good though, Trek.
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on June 28, 2018, 04:52:17 AM
It always amazes me when I see what people can push the 2600 to do.  For a machine that was intended to just do Pong-type games, it sure can surprise. 
Title: Re: Retron77
Post by: TrekMD on July 21, 2018, 00:59:34 AM
For anyone wondering how this works, here is a video that looks at game compatibility...

https://youtu.be/_v-w5FHpRsw