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Title: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 02, 2016, 03:22:01 AM
Been meaning to place an order over at Video61 (http://members.tcq.net/video61/main.html) for their JagCD video set, Black Cat Theater (http://members.tcq.net/video61/bct.html) collection for a couple of years since I heard about it in a piracy thread. Just bought everything on the page lol.
Can't wait to check these out. If anyone is interested, orders over $40 in the continental U.S. makes it free shipping and some disabled folks are the ones who make these disks so even a small purchase keeps the world turning :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on September 02, 2016, 04:41:19 AM
Well, that looks interesting!  How do these comes packaged?
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 02, 2016, 13:03:58 PM
No clue but as soon as they arrive I'll post some pics 8)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on September 02, 2016, 13:04:37 PM
Cool.  Looking forward to that.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Shadowrunner on September 02, 2016, 17:29:08 PM
I'll also be looking forward to seeing them. Always wondered what they were like.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 02, 2016, 17:34:44 PM
He emailed and said it would probably two weeks. They had to label each CD and test them. It's a large order lol.
No prob on my end. The guy that has to watch them from beginning to end has the job! Find a hiccup in the last 5 minutes, reburn and start over.
He says there will be additional releases soon as well. Can't wait to see what's on the horizon 8)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: rush6432 on September 02, 2016, 21:26:39 PM
why not select a few other public domain movies and encode some RVG ones.. I could supply the coding and any Intro you guys might want prior to the movie, or a menu system.

Assuming there is demand for it.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 02, 2016, 21:37:40 PM
Great idea. I'd be in for some releases :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: zapiy on September 02, 2016, 22:04:01 PM
Awesome and crazy all at the same time..

Why if this is legal would you not make them yourself mate?
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 02, 2016, 23:37:14 PM
I'm looking at all the downloadable pd movies here (https://archive.org/details/feature_films) atm. A lot of them are terrible lol. Eyeballing a couple though. Would be interesting to encode these and see what the final video looks like. Maybe put it on yt for peeps to see the quality. The quality's not good on the originals though, and after using Cinepak... ???

Will check it out
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on September 03, 2016, 00:40:30 AM
It's a cool idea to create some RVG branded ones!  There are some classic comedies in there from the Three Stooges and Charlie Chaplin.  :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 03, 2016, 00:49:26 AM
Yeah, those Stooges kill me lol. Was thinking about their episodes as they're short.
Could burn up a JagCD watching those yahoos :D
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on September 03, 2016, 00:55:52 AM
The sci fi movies may be good for a smile.  :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 03, 2016, 00:59:01 AM
I think so too. Been downloading The Last Woman On Earth to start off with. I have no idea what most of these are like so taking shots in the dark.
Ovalbugmann did Night Of the Living Dead a few years back and it's awesome. Was considering House On Haunted Hill since the remake was good :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on September 03, 2016, 01:01:48 AM
House on Haunted Hill may be worthwhile.  :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: rush6432 on September 03, 2016, 03:22:45 AM
Awesome and crazy all at the same time..

Why if this is legal would you not make them yourself mate?

Figured it might be nice to get a few people collaborating on stuff here.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 03, 2016, 13:35:17 PM
I just encoded the entire final match (commercials included) from the '97 U.S. Open tennis championships between Martina Hingis and Venus Williams. The video is 1:02:42s long and since the original version was from a VCR recording, this one looks as would be expected.
I chopped it into 4min 50sec pieces and encoded each to burn. There's a 1-1.5 second hesitation between segments, which to me is no big deal and the standard, otherwise the audio loses sync later on. No one has been able to fix the sync issue and some speculate videos weren't supposed to be full length films, only short cut scenes for games so it was not tested/fixed for this kind of usage.
I'm curious what method Video61 will employ.

Anyway, I'm watching this match for the 4000th time since it originally aired.... but on my JagCD this time 8)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on September 03, 2016, 15:14:03 PM
That's cool!
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 04, 2016, 06:19:00 AM
No one has been able to fix the sync issue and some speculate videos weren't supposed to be full length films, only short cut scenes for games so it was not tested/fixed for this kind of usage.
I put a 16m 36s full length episode of the 3 Stooges from the PD site on disk without slicing it up and it crashed the whole JagCD after 5 minutes. None of the controller buttons did anything, even # + * to reset.
Will test again and at a higher bitrate. That 145kb p/s looks pretty bad. Again, the source isn't great to begin with but I have to be half a mile from the tv for it to look good. (http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/SaturnRVG/Misc/Emoticons/tongue_zpsgfwfalkc.png)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: zapiy on September 04, 2016, 09:28:08 AM
Cracking work. Your certainly putting the miles in on this stuff at the moment fella. Kudos for that.


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Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 04, 2016, 09:36:48 AM
Heck yeah and loving it. Re-doing all 4 Stooges videos at the highest possible bitrate to see how far I can push it. About to re encode the original Cinepak intro to see if I can make it look better and also grabbed the RVG intro to replace the original Cinepak one. Want to see if it works at the beginning of RVG specific releases.
It's about 3:30AM here so I should probably get some sleep  lol.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Shadowrunner on September 04, 2016, 14:43:16 PM
You're a machine! Great to follow along as you figure this all out :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on September 04, 2016, 15:51:56 PM
Having a great time with it Shadowrunner. Found a project to invest in and doing everything possible to find (new) ways to work with it so almost anyone can do the same. Those with a JagCD and/or Skunkboard. Looking at a bitrate calculator of sorts, encoding at higher quality and using currently available software that's free.
What I've found so far is mind blowing (to me) and if it works, could enable lots of interest and releases for this part of the Jaguar's capabilities. Until now, a lot of this has been mystery but due to a relentless search for info and understanding, it's all being outlined in great detail for anyone who's interested.
The machine can do so much and investigating the cd+g area is next on the project list. 8)
Amazing.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: zapiy on September 04, 2016, 17:01:21 PM
Really enjoying watching you grow through this pal..

I find your thirst for this info and desire to learn something new and share that knowledge a real plus in the current retro scene.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on October 10, 2016, 23:18:12 PM
Been meaning to place an order over at Video61 (http://members.tcq.net/video61/main.html) for their JagCD video set, Black Cat Theater (http://members.tcq.net/video61/bct.html) collection for a couple of years since I heard about it in a piracy thread. Just bought everything on the page lol.
Can't wait to check these out. If anyone is interested, orders over $40 in the continental U.S. makes it free shipping and some disabled folks are the ones who make these disks so even a small purchase keeps the world turning :)
I contacted Video61 on the 3rd to see how my order was going. Said it'll take a little longer since it was so big lol.
Been five weeks now when originally estimated at two. Must be some tedious work 8) I compared notes with the owner guy Lance, and he said our techniques were very similar, including the 5 minute 'break' to retain the sync.
Awesome.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on October 10, 2016, 23:39:57 PM
Cool.  I guess you put them to work harder than usual! 
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on October 11, 2016, 00:01:02 AM
Yes, he said no one has ever ordered the entire set at once. Glad I was the first, and so far only one  :D
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on October 11, 2016, 00:22:25 AM
Well, it gives them experience should anyone else do it!
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on October 29, 2016, 00:52:33 AM
He emailed and said it would probably two weeks. They had to label each CD and test them. It's a large order lol.
No prob on my end. The guy that has to watch them from beginning to end has the job! Find a hiccup in the last 5 minutes, reburn and start over.
He says there will be additional releases soon as well. Can't wait to see what's on the horizon 8)
I received a tracking number for this a few minutes ago lol.
It appears that 'two weeks' turned into almost two months :D
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on October 29, 2016, 01:23:09 AM
Very cool!  Good to see them heading your way.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Shadowrunner on October 29, 2016, 02:29:44 AM
He emailed and said it would probably two weeks. They had to label each CD and test them. It's a large order lol.
No prob on my end. The guy that has to watch them from beginning to end has the job! Find a hiccup in the last 5 minutes, reburn and start over.
He says there will be additional releases soon as well. Can't wait to see what's on the horizon 8)
I received a tracking number for this a few minutes ago lol.
It appears that 'two weeks' turned into almost two months :D
Let us know what they're like :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on October 29, 2016, 02:31:50 AM
I'll post some pics and info when they arrive :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on November 04, 2016, 13:52:41 PM
These arrived Oct 31. Had a brief time this morning to play a disk. This is a LOT of disks ???
Pics forthcoming and they arrived packed tight in a regular box with stuffing. The V61 intro is neat and the other intro is the nonofficial one on YT. The quality is what's to be expected and the break between 5 minute (average) chapters had a bit of crackling/snow but I only viewed one break.
They come in wide multi disk cases. Pretty awesome 8)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on November 04, 2016, 14:05:50 PM
Cool.  Looking forward to your pictures!
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on November 04, 2016, 14:21:59 PM
Well, it appears Photobucket is down again so it might take a while. They were down last week and just announced the other day that the problems they ran into while upgrading were resolved. Now, can't access the site again lol.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on November 04, 2016, 16:02:26 PM
Yep, I noticed.  I wanted to post a funny picture but I can't by linking to it for that very reason. 
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on November 04, 2016, 16:52:06 PM
Good, it isn't just my laptop then. Wasn't sure with so many sites being down at the same time.
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on November 04, 2016, 23:13:31 PM
Nope, it's not you.  It's still down too.  Very annoying! 
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on December 10, 2016, 01:53:23 AM
Finally had a chance to take pics of these tonight. Had almost forgotten I needed to do it. Like everyone else, too busy these days :'(
Here are the covers of all 12 in the set. I wanted to shoot all the discs inside but there are a ton of 'em lol

(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/SaturnRVG/Misc/black%20cat%206-12_zpsonbnxaeq.png)

(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/SaturnRVG/Misc/black%20cat%2012-12_zpsytne3s6s.png)

Here's the inside of Spooks! with the 3D glasses. Can't wait to watch this one most of all!

(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/SaturnRVG/Misc/black%20cat%20spooks_zpsky5yokhw.png)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: TrekMD on December 10, 2016, 04:21:38 AM
Wow, quite the collection you got!
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: zapiy on December 10, 2016, 09:03:36 AM
Bloody hell pal what a collection.

Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Shadowrunner on December 11, 2016, 01:22:37 AM
Looks great, enjoy :)
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on December 11, 2016, 03:38:04 AM
Thanks, I'll have to count the discs to see how many there are in total.

Was just pondering why it took 2 months from order to receiving them? I mean, if I went through the trouble of making any of these one time I'd certainly back it up as an image and burn from that on future orders. As soon as I completed the 3 Stooges disk I made, I imaged it and made a torrent out of it so I could up/download it to every computer on my network. (about 17)
Odd
Title: Re: JagCD: Black Cat Theater
Post by: Saturn on May 08, 2020, 10:31:29 AM
Been meaning to place an order over at Video61 (http://members.tcq.net/video61/main.html) for their JagCD video set, Black Cat Theater (http://members.tcq.net/video61/bct.html) collection for a couple of years since I heard about it in a piracy thread. Just bought everything on the page lol.
Can't wait to check these out. If anyone is interested, orders over $40 in the continental U.S. makes it free shipping and some disabled folks are the ones who make these disks so even a small purchase keeps the world turning :)

Black Cat Theater is apparently gone. Glad I grabbed up what I did.
Looks like Video61 was bought by Atari Sales and BCT was removed. More rare items for the collection then :)

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http://www.atarisales.com/
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