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Title: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 17, 2012, 17:11:15 PM
(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag160/TrekMD/RVG%20Images/sega_saturn_zpsd3eukx4t.jpg)

So the Sega Saturn eh? Who else here chose one over the PlayStation back in the day and still prefers it?

I love the big black box it's easliy one of my favourite consoles and since I started collecting the Japanese titles that never came out here I am discovering a whole new side to it. Sega really missed a trick by not getting more games out in the west.

This is my latest purchase:

http://youtu.be/QU6oFiFe3ec

I never knew there was another Bubble Bobble sequel so I was both amazed and excited when I saw this title and promptly snapped it up!

I will give my thoughts once I have given it a good play 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Minerals on May 17, 2012, 19:30:40 PM
Looks pretty cool, who are the other 2 characters you can pick at the start?
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 17, 2012, 20:30:50 PM
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/Bub.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 18, 2012, 14:57:49 PM
Another new Saturn game for me  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlW_62_yN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlW_62_yN8)
Title: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on May 19, 2012, 19:16:19 PM
I was a Saturn fan. I have loads of games for this system. Probably more than any other system.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dubchaser on May 21, 2012, 21:21:40 PM
I picked up 3 games today for £10:

Virtua Fighter Remix
Clockwork Knight
SWWS
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 22, 2012, 19:01:06 PM
Quote from: "dubchaser"
I picked up 3 games today for £10:

Virtua Fighter Remix
Clockwork Knight
SWWS

Pretty good deal, they are all good games!

I finally got round to playing both Blazing Tornados and Bubble Symphony, they are both excellent games especially the latter one. I really need to start putting up some Saturn reviews on here.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 30, 2012, 22:56:41 PM
My brother just got me Capcom Generations 1 for my birthday. It has 1942, 1943 and some sort of extra version of 1943 which is bloody excellent.

Real nice slice of retro shooting action on a 32-bit console:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXT5vmQIAP0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXT5vmQIAP0)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on June 06, 2012, 12:38:20 PM
I absolutely adored my Saturn when  I finally got one on my 16th Bday in 1998, I got loaded, Panzer Dragoon Saga demo disc, bunch of other bits and absolutely fell in love! I always prefered the Saturn to Playstation because it was just more fun and more original, and plus I was a massive Sega nut and couldn't have afforded the PS1 if I wanted one.

I did end up getting a PS1 but never got more than 10 games for it whereas my Saturn collection is one of my favourites; games like Burning Rangers, Deep Fear, Nights, Steep Slope Sliders, PDS, Dragon Force, Dark Saviour, Street Fighter Alpha 1+2... serious love for the Saturn over here lol

I only wish I'd gotten one when it came out instead of in its last year of production :(
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on June 19, 2012, 23:01:54 PM
In honour of the football today I decieded to revisit an old favourite of mine, Olympic Soccer. It really is totally unlike any other footy game and its quite hard to describe how this game is both shit and great at the same time  :o

It's really fast moving and you can score some great goals but the commentry is just hilarious (in a bad way) and the goalies dive like salmon flying across the goal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIhgn7RC2PA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIhgn7RC2PA)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on June 22, 2012, 23:13:17 PM
After seeing the cheesy Jaguar adverts again I went looking for a Saturn one, check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP3ciD4Efr0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP3ciD4Efr0)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: AmigaJay on June 23, 2012, 22:21:18 PM
I picked one up late in the game as i was a big Psygnosis fan and since they were bought by Sony they supported the PS1 from launch (later the Saturn too) i got mine from Woolies when they went down to £99 with Sega rally and worldwide soccer both great games, though the euro cases are IMO the worst cases ever on any format! Just horrible cardboard and plastic shells that break or don't close properly¬† :P
I can't remember when I sold it, proabably a couple of years later? As for games this is what I remember owing

Sega rally
Worldwide soccer 97
Worldwide soccer 98
Nights
Xmas nights
Guardian heroes
Manx tt
Panzer dragoon
Sega ages
Sonic jam
Virtua cop 2
Virtua fighter 2

As you say Sega missed the boat as some of the best Saturn games never made it to Europe.








The nights games were amazing, nothing really ike them before or since.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 02, 2012, 21:43:54 PM
I was playing a load of Galaxy Force II today, I absolutely adore this game.

I vaguely remember being wowed by it in the arcades but the game really came to my attention when I bought the ST version. It was easily one of my most played games for the machine I was so impressed by it technically. I much later got the Mega Drive version which I was a bit disappointed with and then I found out there was a Jap only Sega Ages version for the Saturn. It usually commands a high price so I was well chuffed when I picked up a mint CIB one for £15 a little while ago, it seems to be arcade perfect in every way and the CD music is epic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJevJOSXKfM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJevJOSXKfM)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 03, 2012, 10:16:34 AM
looks nice bud, I've never heard of that one, can you get it in English/PAL?

I just bought the spanish (which has english) version of the rare Dragon Ball Z Legend for Saturn, can't wait to get that and try it out. Saturn is definitely in my top 5

speaking of which I shall soon be doing a top 5 consoles of all time video series... by soon I mean within the next few months lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 03, 2012, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
looks nice bud, I've never heard of that one, can you get it in English/PAL?

No, sadly it was only released in Japan. Though, as you can probably see, the whole game is in English.

Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I just bought the spanish (which has english) version of the rare Dragon Ball Z Legend for Saturn, can't wait to get that and try it out. Saturn is definitely in my top 5

That is actually one of the few PAL Saturn games I don't have, I've bid on it a few times and lost out.

Quote from: "dcultrapro"
speaking of which I shall soon be doing a top 5 consoles of all time video series... by soon I mean within the next few months lol

Look forward to that!!!!  8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 03, 2012, 11:54:20 AM
my DBZ just arrived for Saturn, must say I'm not impressed with the disc quality so far, we shall see when I get in if it plays ok I guess... I'll be uber pissed if it doesn't lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 03, 2012, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
my DBZ just arrived for Saturn, must say I'm not impressed with the disc quality so far, we shall see when I get in if it plays ok I guess... I'll be uber pissed if it doesn't lol

I have a WWF In Your House that looks like it wouldn't work in a million years its so scratched and somehow it does  :o
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 03, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
lol, cool, well heres hoping!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 03, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
ok I just had a look for it and saw that game you mentioned, Galaxy Force 2, and I found the following on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=g ... &_osacat=0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=galaxy+force+2+saturn&_sacat=0&_odkw=galaxy+force+2&_osacat=0)

a: worth getting do you think?
b: is it a genuine copy would you say?

I had a bad experience with an item from Ebay recently that had a pretty reasonable price which turned out to be bootleg... I'm guessing/hoping this is realt
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 03, 2012, 12:46:51 PM
That deffo looks real to me because it has the spine card, great price too.

Do you have a modded Saturn to play imports or do you use a Action Replay cart?
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 03, 2012, 14:24:43 PM
I use a replay cart, can't be bothered to try and get a modchip, way too much effort lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 03, 2012, 14:25:30 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I use a replay cart, can't be bothered to try and get a modchip, way too much effort lol

Same as, works a treat. I also like keeping my consoles "original"
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 16, 2012, 23:31:56 PM
Yesterday I decieded to spend the whole afternoon catching up with my Sega Saturn. I was looking through my CD wallets for games that I either havn't played in ages or played once and for some reason never went back to.

One such game was Crime Wave by Eidos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcmSRrfNcMI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcmSRrfNcMI)

In many ways it's kind of like Grand Theft Auto as you basically drive around shooting and smashing up other cars. Except in this game you are a cop and you have to catch the criminals, I suppose it's like GTA meets Chase HQ!

Anyway I am starting to think this game is a bit of a hidden gem and I am wondering why I never played it more before!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 20, 2012, 14:08:50 PM
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/Saturn.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 20, 2012, 15:25:50 PM
hey bud, whats the dungeons and dragons game like then?
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 20, 2012, 15:57:45 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
hey bud, whats the dungeons and dragons game like then?

I will let you know when I have given it a good play, I hear its identical to the arcade version. If so then I am in for a real treat!
Title: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on July 22, 2012, 10:25:25 AM
Was looking for my Saturn yesterday. Can I find it? Nope. Gutted.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 25, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
utterly adore my Saturn, I was planning to do a top 5 consoles video series soon but I've not had the time. I've written a rough guide or script for it and I know what consoles/games I wanna showcase, just gotta find the time and a way to film the vids so I can move around and show games etc... not sure how i will solve it yet
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 25, 2012, 18:43:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvlwBAcH ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvlwBAcHV-s&feature=related)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on September 06, 2012, 20:17:01 PM
A real balst from the past here, the first look at the Sega Saturn on UK TV show Bad Influence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22AHr6-r ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22AHr6-rGm4&feature=related)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 04, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
thought I'd awaken this thread again and share this AWESOME video on youtube about the Saturn I found. I fear its reawakened my love of the system once again to the point where I am tempted to buy a bunch of the games featured. In particular there are soo many obscure awesome looking games I have NEVER seen or heard of before that just look incredible. If any of you out there can recommend some good ones from the vid to help make my search easier that'd be awesome. Apart from the obvious ones of course lol

check it out, its sick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDAHVvDLuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDAHVvDLuA)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: DreamcastRIP on January 04, 2013, 11:40:11 AM
Decent vid!

Nice to see folk on Youtube knowing the Saturn could in fact 'do' transparency effects. I thought it cool that they showed the difference in animation frames on a fighting game with and without a RAM expansion cartridge. There were also a couple of decent-looking shmups on show that I'd not seen in motion before which I may look in to picking up now.
 
Oh, and what it is it with people being happy to call themself a 'fanboy'? I just don't "get" that at all! In this case the guy on the right side of screen identifying himself as a 'Nintendo fanboy'. Either the term 'fanboy' means something else in the minds of such people or they have no sense of shame or self-respect. Whatever!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 04, 2013, 12:45:54 PM
cheers bud... yeah I loved this vid I was really impressed with the diversity of the games they picked. here are a couple I have earmarked for purchase:

Titan Wars
Astal
Bulk Slash
Night Striker S

yeah its a strange thing to admit to being a nintendo fanboy, though I freely admit I'm a sega fanboy maybe it is just a crazy thing to admit to but meh... I'm proud of my Sega obsession, though why you would be a grown man and proud of liking Mario is beyond me  :P
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 04, 2013, 13:59:05 PM
I just fixed that link for you so the video shows up, I will watch it later on as I am too busy right now and have to go out.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 04, 2013, 14:57:01 PM
thanks bud!! I did wonder why it wasn't showing up properly. It used to be that I could just paste the direct link in with no tweaking but for some reason everytime now it just doesn't work properly, what did you do differently if you don't mind me asking? So I can do it properly myself next time

thanks!

regarding those 4 games I mentioned has anyone played them and if so can you give me an idea of quality? in the main they seem to review positively though I would prefer to go by someones first hand experience if possible
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 04, 2013, 15:01:05 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
thanks bud!! I did wonder why it wasn't showing up properly. It used to be that I could just paste the direct link in with no tweaking but for some reason everytime now it just doesn't work properly, what did you do differently if you don't mind me asking? So I can do it properly myself next time

If it says "https" in the URL then it won't embed, just remove the "s" and you are fine.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 04, 2013, 15:46:03 PM
ah hah!! lovely thanks mate I did wonder what it might be, typical shit lol

so have you seen or tried any of the games I mentioned at all? I know your prob out like you said so its no rush. I'm also interested in Need For Speed and Road Rash on the Saturn as well though I don't know if or when I will buy them as yet
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 04, 2013, 21:53:38 PM
Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"
Decent vid!

Nice to see folk on Youtube knowing the Saturn could in fact 'do' transparency effects. I thought it cool that they showed the difference in animation frames on a fighting game with and without a RAM expansion cartridge. There were also a couple of decent-looking shmups on show that I'd not seen in motion before which I may look in to picking up now.
 
Oh, and what it is it with people being happy to call themself a 'fanboy'? I just don't "get" that at all! In this case the guy on the right side of screen identifying himself as a 'Nintendo fanboy'. Either the term 'fanboy' means something else in the minds of such people or they have no sense of shame or self-respect. Whatever!

Would have hoped that with all the developer interviews out there that by now people would have grasped the differences between cannot do and required coding for Saturn specific hardware, be it transparent effects or 3D, but in the days since Saturns demise, on numerous forums etc i've read, it's like the days of PS1 VS Saturn are still with us.


Comments such as Saturn was shit at 3D, could'nt even do transparent effects etc still seem to crop up, sadly.

I mean if joe public is'nt convinced of Saturns Potential by likes of Last Bronx, VF2, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon Series, Sonic R etc, then something seriousily amiss.

I mean what was VF2 doing? processing 2 3D characters, with texture mapping in Saturns High Res.Mode at 60 FPS?.

Plus Saturn had better ports of Duke Nukem 3D and Hexen over PS1 at the time,also Quake at a time 7 developers had tried and failed to get decent conversion on PS1 (was'nt till Hammer Head ported Quake 2 to PS1 it had a Quake game) and yet still it was called inferior.

Saturn might have been a mess, innards wise, nightmare to program for and the like, but there was (some) method to Sega's madness in using Quads (when everyone else was using polys) as it did'nt suffer the warping of polygon edges PS hardware did.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 05, 2013, 00:55:37 AM
Yeah it's not a bad video, better than the shitty Jaguar one I seen to remember them doing. I don't like the 2 guys much, they always seem to be very wooden and uncomfortable on camera.

They also made a few errors in the video like saying Die Hard Arcade was Dynamite Deka in Europe and Japan, when it was just called that in Japan and also I have a 4mb RAM cart and my KOF '96 works perfectly.

Two other things that annoyed me were their constant mentions of 32-bit 3D looking shit nowadays, utter bollocks, how can anyone say the Panzer Dragoon games are ugly for example. The second point was that they criticised Guardian Heroes' graphics saying it looked blocky when stuff was close up, erm have you ever heard of sprite scaling?

And finally Pebble Beach Golf is utter shit. Best golf game on the Saturn? Yeah right! Worst more like, it has one course and is pretty broken too. Actua Golf and Virtual Golf are far superior in every way.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 05, 2013, 15:31:28 PM
Mas Destruction came up on the chat box earlier, developers used what they called 'Sprolygon' (Sprite+polygon) tech. to try and create the seamless intergration of 2D+3D objects on screen to provide a sense of depth+clarity.

As for Saturn not being able to do transparency effects:

Pure Entertainment (converted Wipeout+3D Lemmings to Saturn from PS1), Saturn Wipeout COULD have had transparency effects, but game would have run slower, as at that point in their development cycle with Saturn, they found a transparent sprite took 9 times longer to process than a normal one.-but their coders were already working on pushing deeper into Saturn development and they said as thier expertise grew, expect to see more transparency on the Saturn, as it was a difficult machine to code for and demmanded extra work on 3D games.

Also they the mesh effect on the spinning 3D logo on Saturn 3D Lemmings was a deliberate move.

Loaded, which ironically started out as a SNES game, under name of Killers For Hire, on Saturn, well the translucent fog (smoky explosions) proved difficult on Saturn, early attempts resulting in a cross-hatched look, which developers improved on by using a finer filter.

Bullfrog said Saturn was auctually easier o convert thier PC games to, than PS, as it relied less on custom hardware effects than the PS1, but 1st attempt to convert Magic Carpet to Saturn resulted in frame rate of 3 FPS, it was only by looking at the Saturn hardware and re-doing code so it was'nt so CPU intensive and was'nt trying to draw stuff that was'nt needed, they'd got frame rate between 12-20 FPS (depended on just how much was happening on screen).

Dave Perry (EWJ fame) said Saturn was a very flexible machine, you just had to dive into it's guts and dig around to make it sing.

So, yes, it was a time consuming machine to write for and developers had to plan coding and optimise for the Saturn specifically, which often meant 1st attempts did'nt pan out too well, as coders inexperinced with hardware, but for so many to still right it off as POOR, just saddens me.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 05, 2013, 15:38:14 PM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
So, yes, it was a time consuming machine to write for and developers had to plan coding and optimise for the Saturn specifically, which often meant 1st attempts didn't pan out too well, as coders inexperienced with hardware, but for so many to still right it off as POOR, just saddens me.

Could not agree more mate!

Incidently I just just added a load more Sega Saturn reviews to the review guide!  8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 05, 2013, 17:34:35 PM
Thing that bugs me, as a Playstation owner, i watched the hardware recive some very poor PC conversions:Duke Nukem 3D and Hexen to name but 2, salt was rubbed further into the wound by knowing that Saturn versions were far superior, but i did'nt see the press and public saying OMG Playstation is poor, nor did i when it was annouced that Quake just was'nt coming out on PS (yet was on Saturn) as no less than 7 developers had tried to get a decent version running and failed.


Yet Saturn gets some poor conversions, be it from Sega themselves with Daytona, or 3rd parties porting PS games that relied heavily on PS custom hardware, or were just straight ports (ie DOOM-Saturn coder interviewed in Gamestm, say's he was told, just port PS code over best you can, hence PS Pass codes work on Saturn Version) and OMG! Saturn=Rubbish time.

Hell you can remove Doom from the whole Saturn=Rubbish MYTH as look at the Jap version compared to the Pal version.Different coders, far better version.So, CLEARLY not hardware at fault.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 05, 2013, 17:42:55 PM
Also 3D wise, look at what Scavenger got out of Saturn with Amok and Scorcher.

Developer interviews threw up more interesting comments:

Warp said a PS version of Enemy Zero would require 7 CD's! (Saturn ver.came in at 4).

Syndicate Wars programmer had game engine running easily enough on Saturn, but the fact PC version (from which he had to convert code from, to Saturn) was running so far behind, meant PC code was constantly being updated/changed, so things could take upto 5 times longer to convert and by time game got near completition, Saturn had floundered too much in market to make it comercially viable, it WAS'NT a case of Saturn could'nt handle it.

Soviet Strike developers said of Saturn-It's often viewed as the 'weak Sister' by developers...but we DON'T take that point of view, we did'nt have the resources to do game in-house, so we took it to our top coders to write.

They also described graphics in Panzer Dragoon 2 as mind blowing.

Mev Dinc (Street Racer) said he and his team spent nearly 3 months studying Saturn hardware, in order to get the best from it and decided NOT to code in C, instead opting for Machine Code (sounds similar to the Baldies coder on Jaguar's comments about writing for Jag.) as this was crucial for games speed (60 FPS).
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 06, 2013, 01:54:17 AM
Started looking at Saturn reviews on here, fantastic to see the love for:

A.Kings, DOA2, Baku Baku, Last Bronx and Dungeons+Dragons.

The ChaosControl score was..interesting :-) as was Daytona USA, personally found the pop-up awful and really do feel it damaged the Saturns reputation and is a reason so many buy into this MYTH Saturn was poor at 3D.

Crying shame Galaxy Force 2 never made it to these shores, espically after likes of C64/Amiga/ST/MD+MS had versions.

Krazy Ivan;IS it as easy as PS1 version? If so, don't think it warrants such a high score.

Resident Evil on Saturn:Lower polygon counts on character models, but..higher Res.pre-rendered back drops.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Vyothric on January 06, 2013, 02:43:40 AM
Since I was posting in the other threads, I just thought I'd share my Saturn history (what little there is)  :P )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7p2i1U8NOI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7p2i1U8NOI)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 06, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
Todays start of my 1 man mission to explain why Saturn fared differently to PS1, games wise begins here:

Programmer Steve Palmer (NBA Jam):

To learn to program the Saturn was to learn the machine.To learn to program the Playstation was to learn C. Learning C is much easier than learning the hardware of a new machine and with Saturn, there was a LOT of hardware to learn.

The same would have been true of the Playstation, except you did'nt need to learn how to talk to the hardware, the libaries took care of that.Segas approach was to release hardware documentation for every aspect of the Saturn, it was what coders were used to, but by this time, the industry had changed, the 'big boys' had moved in and it was a 'time is money' approach.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 06, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
Burning Rangers mentioned on chat box, nope, i had'nt forgotten about it, Sonic Team just wrote the code they needed for the Saturn to produce Playstation like transparency+filtering effects, realtime lighting, huge explosions etc, but personally feel game should have been written for Dreamcast launch title, as Saturn struggled with what was asked of it (same way PS2 did with Shadow Of The Col, N64 did with Perfect Dark etc).

IF Sonic Team, Lobotomy, Treasure, AM2, Team Andromeda etc could get stunning results from Saturn, then clearly hardware was'nt shite.

Just crying shame Sega rushed Daytona USA out, it helped create myth that Saturn was 'inferior' when running next to Ridge Racer on PS, plus i feel VF:Remix should have been THE VF game that was put out, not the plain polygon version, as again, putting it next to say Toh Shin Den on PS, the 'plain' version made it look like Saturn was inferior.

Anyone know WHY Sega handed Saturn Virtua Racing to Time Warner? i assume it was for same reasons Tantalus got given Manx TT and H.O.T.D, All Sega's teams tied up on other projects, but i'd have thought you'd have wanted your crews handling your flagship series?.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 06, 2013, 14:22:15 PM
Core Design:Created transparencies on the river sections of their game, Ninja, by using Saturn equiv.of SNES Mode 7. Used it to create 'floor' surfaces and depth cued objects as above or below, if objects were below, they had a pallate change.Plus, 1 of the magic weapons you picked up had a transparent blast effect.

Just because they did'nt use transparent stuff in Saturn Tomb Raider, did'nt mean it was impossible to do.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 07, 2013, 10:08:07 AM
Warp (talking about developing for Saturn):

'Saturns development tools were not very successful, worse than N64's.The Playstation was very successful because of it's libary and tools'.


So, again it seems that Sony went out of it's way to ensure the PS was an easy machine to code for, where as Sega just stuck with the concept of coding for the hardware.


What i've always found ironic is just how the situation was totally reversed the next generation, Dreamcast made as easy as possible to develop for, games could be easily ported over from PC etc, yet Sony mase the PS2 a very complex piece of kit.


Sony have always said the PS2 was designed in response to requests from developers who wanted to 'code to the metal', ie write their own routines, use hardware as they saw fit, hence the PS2 offerring that degree of flexibility (once you got everything working the way it should be) and that coders should not approach it in same way they had the 32 Bit Playstation etc.

But then you had developers like Oddworld who found it so frustrating to use, they jumped over to Xbox (thus making light of Ken Kutargi's arrogant comments about developers would always choose Sony platforms-'What type of creator would want to leave Sony?').

Middleware programmes like Renderware save the bacon for Sony on PS2 for a lot of 3rd party games (Criterion going as far as saying 'Use Renderware or die'), yet others developers started moaning that use of middleware and generic game engines was too restrictive, just put obstacles in the way.

So, what were Sega to do on any platform? as coders just do not seem to know what they want, European code shops seemed very different to US coders.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 07, 2013, 14:56:56 PM
I've always been very sad and disappointed with what happened to the Saturn and Dreamcast, both were incredible machines both were 2 of my absolute favourites and both failed miserably due to things beyond their control.

I got the Saturn in May '98, my 16th birthday. I had the Mega Drive and Master System and the Mega CD and really wanted to move up as I had seen a friend playing the Saturn. But I was horribly uninformed and knew nothing of console life cycles etc and I had no idea that Saturn was on its way out. So for 3/4 months I was blissfully ignorant and enjoying the wonders of the Saturn before I started to read in the Saturn Magazine that Sega was pushing Dreamcast and would discontinue the Saturn in 98 in the EU region.

It really broke my heart especially as I had just picked up Burning Rangers, Steep Slope Sliders and Panzer Dragoon Saga etc and I thought the Saturn was the greatest thing I had EVER owned.

I don't know much of the technical stuff about what it could or couldn't do but I always preferred the games on my Saturn to my PS1


definitely tempted to pick up some more top quality games for it
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 07, 2013, 15:39:48 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I've always been very sad and disappointed with what happened to the Saturn and Dreamcast, both were incredible machines both were 2 of my absolute favourites and both failed miserably due to things beyond their control.

I got the Saturn in May '98, my 16th birthday. I had the Mega Drive and Master System and the Mega CD and really wanted to move up as I had seen a friend playing the Saturn. But I was horribly uninformed and knew nothing of console life cycles etc and I had no idea that Saturn was on its way out. So for 3/4 months I was blissfully ignorant and enjoying the wonders of the Saturn before I started to read in the Saturn Magazine that Sega was pushing Dreamcast and would discontinue the Saturn in 98 in the EU region.

It really broke my heart especially as I had just picked up Burning Rangers, Steep Slope Sliders and Panzer Dragoon Saga etc and I thought the Saturn was the greatest thing I had EVER owned.

I don't know much of the technical stuff about what it could or couldn't do but I always preferred the games on my Saturn to my PS1


definitely tempted to pick up some more top quality games for it

My humble aim with the developer quotes is to try and 'enlighten' folk to some of the reasons games either never made it or we're not all they could of been, trying to keep the tech.talk to a minimum in them, just explain ow developers viewed and approached the hardware and also explain to those who write off it's 3D+SFX abilities far too soon.

Whilst it's FMV playback was never going to match that of PS1, it was lot harder to code for, hope we, as a forum are showing just what a miss-understod piece of hardware it really was and what could be achived with it, in the right hands.

Great to see it's still held in such high regard by it's fans.


Some of the MCD, Saturn+DC failings though, sadly DO fall firmly at feet of Sega, choices they made etc.

Original Saturn Specs:(Work began on it in 1992, design wise, it was to be a 32 Bit, CD-Based console, capable of beating the 3DO)

16 Mhz Nec V60 CPU (1st 32 Bit microprocessor avaiable in Japan i think), where as Sony went for a 33 Mhz R3000A microprocessor, an improved version of a chip that Silicon Graphics had been using for a few years. Sony+it's engineers been working with this sort of chip for years, so knew what it could do.

Once Playstation Specs were annouced (dwarfing Saturns), Sega went mental, had emergency meeting, an away team of 27 handpicked Sega engineers put together to create a redesigned Saturn.

No time avaiable to do anything than use existing chips so twin 32 Bit Risc Chips in Parallel seen as quick and cheap solution to increase power.

Why the Hiachi Sh-2's? RUMOUR had it it was as a result of a favour from Sega Japan's boss to an old golfing buddy, but Sega USA had also approached Silicon Graphics, who'd come up with an different solution, a single chip, simplistic designwhich they felt COULD compete with chip in Playstation.

But Sega over ruled Sega USA in favour of the away-team, twin SH" approach.

3D Transparency on Saturn must be generated through software code, long story short:

The VDP 1 chip is primarily responsible for Sprite Generation, polygon generation could only be done by manipulation of the sprite engine.

The VDP 2 chip is Saturns background processor, special effects such as texture transparency, playfield rotation etc done here, Saturn just 'struggled' to generate these effects in a 3D enviroment.

IF you knew the Saturn hardware or had the necessary programming tools or had worked previousily on Parallel processing based hardware, Saturn WAS a powerful piece of hardware, as results have shown.

However, much like the Jaguar, where coders just wrote to the 6800 instead of using Jag's custom chips, many Saturn developers just used 1 of the 2 CPU's, thus limiting resources and possibilities.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 07, 2013, 21:56:38 PM
Talking of developers, good few European developers alleged that Sega of Japan kept the strongest libaries (coding tools) to themselves at 1st, leaving western teams to either use inferior tools which Sega did provide, or spend time+money creating their own, where as Sony with the Playstation provided third party developers with extensive tools and technical support from day 1.

Argonaut's general manager at the time backed up these claims, saying Sega never gave them the same level of support forSaturn that Sony did for Playstation, and as a result they had to spend a lot of time writing original software tools for Saturn development in areas of 3D, audio and even just accessing the CD.

Saturn programmers he said, felt isolated as they were a much smaller number than PC or Playstation programmers so had limited resources to turn to for advice.

How did Sega Japan respond? well they admitted things could have been better and yes hardware was complicated, but then went onto say, maybe European developers are using this as an excuse and maybe they don't have the time to match the achivements made by Sega's own teams, most companies are buisness driven and sometimes financial issues come before creative freedom.

So, again, i have to say Sega really did'nt help themselves at times with certain attitudes.

Oddly, the Mega Drive being something of a flop in Japan, oddly helped Sega with Saturn, unlike the US where Genesis had been huge.

Firstly, having to develop the 32X drained Sega Of America's resources and they had the task of trying to gather developer support for 32X and Saturn.(Something Sega Europe also faced)

Sega Japan however just courted developers like Game Arts, Warp, Treasure, Capcom and Climax, in order to get Saturn support.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: nakamura on January 07, 2013, 22:15:48 PM
Out of interest, where are all of these quotes coming from?
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 08, 2013, 00:06:33 AM
Martin Randall, who was a programmer at Imagitec Design, was telling me that the Saturn development kit was even worse than the Jaguar one! Which is really saying something!

He said that to do Saturn game they basically would have had to write a whole new development environment from scratch. They were originally supposed to do the Saturn version of Tempest 2000 but after a bit of early work they passed it over to High Voltage software in the US as they felt they couldn't do it justice because they didn't have the tools to work with.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: "nakamura"
Out of interest, where are all of these quotes coming from?

Numerous interviews with coders which appeared in numerous magazines, NOT the internet.

As Laird will no doubt testify, i've built up a huge scrap book of interviews, magazines etc over the years, which i'm more than happy to share with folks, so been sending Laird photocopies of interviews, magazine scans etc over past few months+continue to do so.-Sent him another motherload yesterday in fact.

It's great to hear the people who worked on the hardware openly talking about it, being very candid about how they found the hardware, what happened to games they were working on etc, builds a much bigger and better picture than say going to a Saturn thread on RG and Saturn=crap type posts.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 09:30:57 AM
Interview with HMV manager on a look back at the Saturn, had him saying he and other store managers, 'laughed Sega reps out of the stores' on the day the Playstation launched in the UK as they knew Sony had 'stolen the ground beneath it's rival'.

Also, Argonaut talked of how Saturn's demanding hardware had meant many developers found themselves in a situation where publishers were more than willing to cancel the Saturn version of a multi-platform title, IF it meant they could 'double-up' the number of coders working on the Playstation version of a game.

The risk of launching a Playstation version late and thus loosing sales, was seen as too great, ie potential Playstation sales would dwarf those 'lost' by not doing a Saturn version, they were not prepared to delay the PS version launch, whilst coding on the Saturn caught up.

Claim made that the rumour going around was this was what happened with Core's Tomb Raider 2 on Saturn.

Jez San himself, who really went to town on Sega after Red Dog bombed at retail (Totally unfair as game was mauled at review, pulled, re-coded, submitted again, mauled again) blamed Sega for poor marketing of titles during the DC days and said:

'Sega lost their way (with the Dreamcast), they had a great head start, but have blown their lead'They DON'T return phone calls or emails'.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 08, 2013, 09:32:03 AM
so has anyone here played Night Striker S or Titan Wars? Both look pretty awesome

I think I will be tempted to start doing my top 5 retro consoles series of videos soon for my channel, can't wait to do a Saturn
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
Quote from: "nakamura"
Out of interest, where are all of these quotes coming from?
Out of interest, why the interest?  ;)

They are factual, from multi-format magazines some during Saturn era, some in look back features, but all from coders etc with Saturn exp
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 09:41:56 AM
Laird:You mentioned Guardian Heroes getting unfairly treated in that video?.

Was often the case in he press at the time, magazines like Ultimate Future Games (1 of the few magazines i had entire collection of, but sent 99.9% of to recycling, as was an utter rag!) slamned the game for it's visuals.


IF ever a game was really miss-understood it was this, a game by a Jap.developer, where 2D was seen as anything but old hat, coded to take advantage of the sprite handling and sound capabilites of the Saturn hardware.

Real purist approach, case of substance over style.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 08, 2013, 09:49:37 AM
I loved Guardian Heroes but I haven't played it nearly enough, I managed to get a reasonably priced PAL copy. Sooo many awesome games on the saturn I really can't wait to do some more vids on it
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: DreamcastRIP on January 08, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
Quote from: "nakamura"
Out of interest, where are all of these quotes coming from?
Out of interest, why the interest?  ;)

They are factual, from multi-format magazines some during Saturn era, some in look back features, but all from coders etc with Saturn exp

This is a novel concept. Informed debate on teh internets based on fact and real life experiences of those around at the time working in the industry... instead of the revisionist history and so-called received wisdoms being trotted out ad infinitum by self-styled 'experts' and keyboard warriors. It won't catch on though.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 11:39:46 AM
Reason i'm NOT giving out magazine names is to avoid entering into the usual: 'Well they WOULD say that, they were biased towards the Saturn/again'st the Saturn' area that often crops up on the internet.

It's not WHERE the interview was printed that matters i feel, but what the person saying had to say, which sheds light on the Saturn as a sum of it's parts and events that befell it.

Continuing on that note:

Anarchy In The Nippon, IMPORT Saturn 3D fighter by KSS , yet another game running in Saturn High Res mode and in 60 FPS.

Travellers Tales Jon Burton talking of Sonic R on Saturn:

'The misting technique (where backgrounds fade into view) would drop the frame rate to around 10 FPS or LESS if done on Playstation, the reflective water would be virtually impossible to create and Saturn had better Gouraud Shading, giving much smoother lighting.

Lobotomy on Exhumed Saturn VS PS1 versions:

Exhumed was designed with Saturn engine in mind and levels were not well suited to the PS technology we had developed, thus we re-designed the PS levels to better utilise the PS engine.In the re-design we made some other changes we WANTED to make on the Saturn version, that did'nt get done due  to time pressure.There have been so many changes to the design that the PS version is practically a different game to that of the Saturn version.

Also, lot of the press at the time seemed very keen when comparing later Saturn versions of games to point out what was MISSING from the PS version, from a technical stand point, so whilst they'd mention the LOWER polygon count on Saturn resident Evil character models, they'd often not mention fact it had higher res, more detailed backdrops and better loading times.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 08, 2013, 11:51:59 AM
Guardian Heroes is my favourite Saturn game, I really wish it had got a sequel on either the Saturn or Dreamcast.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 13:22:31 PM
Few more examples+facts:

Core talking about Saturn Swagman-Game features special effects such as mirrors, true light sourcing, shadow casting from both fixed and moving lights, has particle fx and transparencies.Ran at 60 fps.

Pandemodium (Magical Hoppers if your looking at Jap Ver.) ported from PS1 but still had light sourcing and transparencies many said would be impossible to recreate on Saturn (curling smoke clouds, transparent shields etc).

Saturn used 'Additive Lighting' where as Playstation used 'Multipilicative Lighting'.Playstations was generally a LOT easier to use, but Saturns was better suited to 'dramatic lighting', great example of would be Saturn Quake.

Saturn version of Soviet Strike, from a technical point of view did improve on PS1 version in some areas, other than a lot of PS bugs being fixed, Saturn version had ang.pad support, higher res map screen than PS, plus on level 2, the grounded helicopters had new sound FX, making it sound like they were trying to take off, they also cast shadows, 2 things missing from PS ver.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 14:39:35 PM
Sega Of America's President, Tom Kalinske, sent out an 'open letter' reply to an 'outraged' internet poster, regarding the Saturn hardware/software and quality there of.....

In it, he say he DID'NT apoligise for Saturn using different processors (in fact we used 8 ) saying saying each was chosen for specific purposes and that it had made Saturn more difficult to work with than Playstation, but that was also why he knew it a superior gaming format.

He makes some 'odd' claims in this letter (i'll try and get a copy out to Laird) about how 3rd parties like EA, Acclaim, Crystal dynamics agreed with Sega and there were more 3rd party titles being developed for Saturn than Playstation, at that time.

Best line though...'....we've always prided ourselves on being close to our customers and are NOT arrogant enough to think we don't need any help'.

Back to developer stuff:

Scavenger, using their own game development tools+engines, had Scorcher running in High Res mode on Saturn, in 32,000 colours, with light sourcing.

Team Andromeda (Panzer Dragoon series) interviewd at time of P.D 2, said they had NO issues coding for the TWIN CPU's on Saturn, as they'd had exp. working with twin CPU arcade boards, years before.

They did'nt use Sega's (AM2's) SGL OS though, as they felt IF they encountered issues with it, they themselves would'nt be able to resolve them, plus, it had limited speed in some key areas they were looking at, plus they say they could'nt use someone elses O S and hope to use it to a great level.

So there's examples of 2 coders who wanted to write to the metal, code directly to the hardware, in order to get results they wanted.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 15:59:14 PM
Found a TREASURE interview for you, Laird, will see if i can get a photocopy done.

Few highlights, regarding Saturn+G.Heroes:

'At Treasure, we don't believe that tradition itself is an obstacle.You should produce games to match the hardware and make good use of the Saturn and MD's good points respectively'.

'Treasure has built up a tremendous knowledge of 2D Sprite know how, it's an assest that we wish to continue using'.

(On subject of possibilty of NEW Gunstar Heroes or Alien Solider being produced) '....IF we wanted to, we are capable of doing it.However IF we thought it may be profitable, but the creative staff did'nt want to do it, we would'nt produce it'

(Might answer your G.Heroes 2 Saturn/DC question Laird).

Scavenger talking about Saturn Scorcher: 'Scorcher is running at 30 FPS and doing more polygons with smooth sorting and clipping than any Playstation title.It has real 3D Collision checking within a real 3D enviroment.The shadows are all real time ray trace simulated'.

Travellers Tales on differences between Playstation+Saturn:

'The Playstation is easy to get started on, but you quickly reach the limits of the polygon performance and there are few tricks you can do to improve the graphical look of the game.The Saturn is more complicated to get to grips with, but it has playfield hardware, Slave and DSP processors and nice transparency effects which all improve the speed and look of a game when all used together correctly'.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 08, 2013, 16:21:41 PM
Turning this into THE DEF.Guide to Saturn development thread.

Jez San  on developing CROC on Saturn:

The Saturn has it's own capabilities (and unfortunately, drawbacks) compared to other machines.Our Saturn Croc team's job was to take advantage of the advanced capabilites of the machine, whilst tip-toeing around the drawbacks.......for instance, the Saturn version uses special effects like flowing lava and water that other versions do NOT have'.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 09, 2013, 00:29:56 AM
all very cool info dude but I would still like to talk about the actual games and what people think of them as well.... if that's ok? Not meaning to be a prick just wanna know what you guys think of the games in the video I shared as well... Definitely tempted to invest in a few
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 09, 2013, 01:16:20 AM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
all very cool info dude but I would still like to talk about the actual games and what people think of them as well.... if that's ok? Not meaning to be a prick just wanna know what you guys think of the games in the video I shared as well... Definitely tempted to invest in a few

Your NOT being a prick mate, far from it.The 'pricks' are those on various Retro and gaming forums that just dismiss the Saturn as being 'inferior' to the Playstation and won't even try it, hence my long list of developer quotes to try and prove to them the machine is VERY capable.

I found the Saturn a superb gaming machine, coming to it as i did few years after the Playstation.

Mass Destruction was not only technically fantastic, but bloody great fun.

Love my Mech games, so Gun Griff.did me proud, really captured the feel, you know?.

Amok i found superb as well.


Shinob i X though, whilst i was happy they kept it 2D, it did dissapoint a little, but i'm left thinking series (for myself) peaked with Revenge, Sega unsure how to proceed, stumbled, much as they did with SOR after SOR 2.

Anyways, over to others....
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 09, 2013, 01:31:02 AM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
Mass Destruction was not only technically fantastic, but bloody great fun.

Love my Mech games, so Gun Griff.did me proud, really captured the feel, you know?.

Amok i found superb as well.

Shinobi X though, whilst i was happy they kept it 2D, it did dissapoint a little, but i'm left thinking series (for myself) peaked with Revenge, Sega unsure how to proceed, stumbled, much as they did with SOR after SOR 2.

I can vouch for Gun Griffon and Mass Destruction, they are both fantastic games, especially the latter, if ultrapro doesn't have those games already he should have.

I have been outbid on Shinobi X so many times now, sigh, I will get it one day. I still need to get Amok, I do really want it but collecting had to take a step back when I lost my job last year.

By the way Ultrapro did you see I uploaded another batch of new Saturn reviews.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 09, 2013, 01:46:43 AM
Yeah, when i picked up my Saturn it came with the regular stuff like Sega Rally and VF2, which whilst i'm not huge fan of those genres as such, were the 1st to make me look at the Saturn and think Bloody Hell! i thought this was supposed to be poor at 3D?.

Knew i HAD to get Gun Griff, was keen to try Panzer Dragoon (Fantastic series). had seen C+VG raving about Mas Destruction, had loved Subter. and Red Zone on MD, so very keen to seek out Scavengers games.Shinobi X i picked up cheap and like an idiot, sold soon after.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 09, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
I've had gun griffon for a while and I did really like it, I wish they had brought number 2 to the PAL region.

Anyone think its worth getting Titan Wars? I am also looking at Night Striker S and something called Bulk Slash I think its called

I never managed to finish Burning Rangers, there was just one level where I couldn't find the finish :( I need to get back on it and try completing it again
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 09, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
Anyone think its worth getting Titan Wars? I am also looking at Night Striker S and something called Bulk Slash I think its called

Never played them so I can't tell you.

Another game that might interest you seen as you like your Transformers and stuff is Super Dimension Force Macross:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IES9oB24qwo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IES9oB24qwo)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 11, 2013, 09:53:47 AM
ok well nevermind! for the moment I will wait anyway as I just can't afford it but I'll have a look at the one you mentioned
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 12, 2013, 21:54:21 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
ok well nevermind! for the moment I will wait anyway as I just can't afford it but I'll have a look at the one you mentioned

I picked up Macross for £10 IIRC, so it's not too expensive.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Jag_Slave on January 17, 2013, 03:25:05 AM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
Anyone think its worth getting Titan Wars? I am also looking at Night Striker S and something called Bulk Slash I think its called

Never played them so I can't tell you.

Another game that might interest you seen as you like your Transformers and stuff is Super Dimension Force Macross:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IES9oB24qwo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IES9oB24qwo)

This looks awesome! I think i will pick this guys up for sure.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 17, 2013, 09:48:04 AM
yeah it looks pretty good so I have ordered a pal copy
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 17, 2013, 12:34:26 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
yeah it looks pretty good so I have ordered a pal copy

A PAL Super Dimension Force Macross?  ???
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 17, 2013, 14:53:10 PM
no no, I thought he was talking about Titan Wars...  :-[ I have also ordered that Macross game!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 21, 2013, 11:05:08 AM
I played Titan Wars yesterday for about an hour and I must say I actually REALLY like it! Its kind of a cross between Starlancer/Wing Commander and games like Soul Star or Nova Storm, and its actually pretty challenging as well. Really nice little game and surprisingly good FMV real actor segments, I must say I was expecting the worst, like mega cd quality segments but I was pleasantly surprised. I'd actually REALLY recommend this game
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 21, 2013, 21:54:39 PM
I just watched a video, I didn't realise it was the sequel to Total Eclipse on the 3DO. I remember playing that and it was pretty good, I would like to pick this up. It was also called Solar Eclipse as you can see from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mU10RM1uOQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mU10RM1uOQ)

If you like that then you will also like Starfighter 3000, a game that was also on the 3DO.

It's a similar kind of space shooter and while the graphics are bit rough its a very good game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Esvsyg7rc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Esvsyg7rc)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 22, 2013, 16:14:02 PM
yeah I heard about it as Solar Eclipse in that vid I recently linked to and then found out via googly that it was called Titan Wars in the UK. Seriously its excellent fun, nice bit of challenge too

I'm waiting for my copy of that macross game as well... loving my Saturn again at the moment! finding loads of hidden gems I knew nothing about while the Dreamcast I have pretty much seen and done anything on it that is worth doing
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 28, 2013, 12:16:22 PM
Following on from our convo about Wipeout style games at Video Game Carnival here is the Saturn game I recommended:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMNsxzw7lCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMNsxzw7lCA)

And another game that is pretty similar which I also like is Hi-Octane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Np2mi8o6Xo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Np2mi8o6Xo)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 28, 2013, 12:26:54 PM
cool, I just had a look at the first one, looks a bit ropey to be honest, the other one looks good though. I need to check out Tunnel B1 as well.

I need to play some of my Saturn games more, really would love to finish Dark Saviour and never finished DragonForce either. I might go on a little Saturn gaming marathon soon
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 28, 2013, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
cool, I just had a look at the first one, looks a bit ropey to be honest, the other one looks good though. I need to check out Tunnel B1 as well.

I need to play some of my Saturn games more, really would love to finish Dark Saviour and never finished DragonForce either. I might go on a little Saturn gaming marathon soon

Cyber Speedway was a very early Saturn game so does look a little ropey in parts but it does look gorgeous in others and also plays pretty well too. It's very cheap to pick up these days too.

Tunnel B1 isn't bad, it has a great soundtrack. Its a more about shooting and less about the actual racing really:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI9ANTa5fNE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI9ANTa5fNE)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 28, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
awesome stuff! Finalist looks cool, dunno about that Hi Octane looks like the controls are a bit rough, but I'm definitely interested in that Finalist!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 28, 2013, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
awesome stuff! Finalist looks cool, dunno about that Hi Octane looks like the controls are a bit rough, but I'm definitely interested in that Finalist!

That is Tunnel B1, 3D Mission Shooting Finalist is the Japanese name for it (no idea why!)

Bet you wish you had picked it up in Kart Klub now!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 28, 2013, 13:00:03 PM
yeah... I did wonder what was going on when you were talking about B1 and the vid said Finalist lol... might see how much it is online
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: guest4706 on January 28, 2013, 18:16:14 PM
I took a notion to gather my babies round me today:

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7218/imag1099c.jpg)

My fiancee just shook her head and sighed patiently† 8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Vyothric on January 28, 2013, 18:24:53 PM
I had 3. Only have one working one left.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on January 28, 2013, 18:30:55 PM
Quote from: "rossi46"
I took a notion to gather my babies round me today:

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7218/imag1099c.jpg)

My fiancee just shook her head and sighed patiently† :o :o

I love the Saturn but just the 1 does the job for me† ;D
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: guest4706 on January 28, 2013, 18:54:52 PM
I picked up so many over the years by buying whole packages at boot sales (and pretending that I knew nothing about them), rather than exposing myself as a knowledgeable collector and thereby incurring instantly-inflating prices.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: DreamcastRIP on January 28, 2013, 21:17:59 PM
Quote from: "rossi46"
I took a notion to gather my babies round me today:

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7218/imag1099c.jpg)

My fiancee just shook her head and sighed patiently† 8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on January 29, 2013, 00:28:45 AM
Quote from: "rossi46"
I took a notion to gather my babies round me today:

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7218/imag1099c.jpg)

My fiancee just shook her head and sighed patiently† 8)
:-) suddenly my PSP collection does'nt look so bad, in terms of why do i need so many.

2 Phats (1 still sealed in box), a Slim and a 3000 and was once looking at getting a Go, just for the collection.

:-)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: onthinice on January 29, 2013, 01:59:02 AM
They fill the chair out very well! Nothing wrong with a PSP collection either 8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on January 29, 2013, 08:54:29 AM
nice stuff! I'm kinda having a hard time deciding between my DC and Saturn now in terms of which is my fave retro console, it was Saturn, then Dreamcast when the DC came out, and has been DC for years but now I'm starting to think the Saturn has a more diverse catalogue to the DC, I've seen everything the DC has to offer and I'm still finding Saturn games I want even now
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on February 01, 2013, 12:44:50 PM
just picked up Marvel Super Heroes on saturn today it arrived in great condition! Waiting on Tunnel B1, Layer Section 1 + 2 and Wing Arms? can't wait :D
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on February 01, 2013, 17:41:35 PM
Vyothric showed me this game in the chatbox and I just have to post it because it's so terrible!  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoPzJ6bDqfk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoPzJ6bDqfk)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Vyothric on February 01, 2013, 18:17:10 PM
The music is what really killed me  :D

It's almost so bad that I like it.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on February 06, 2013, 20:05:36 PM
I would actually quite like to get this just because it's a light gun game!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on February 07, 2013, 14:39:21 PM
I have Death Crimson OX for the dreamcast as it goes ;)

Saturn related, I just received Layer Section 1 and 2 and got Independence day yesterday as well. Also my capture device has been replaced and I'm back up and running so look out for more Saturn goodness very soon!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on February 07, 2013, 20:51:21 PM
Talking of obscure light gun games for the Saturn, this is one of my personal favourites - Chaos Control

It is in fact a conversion of a Philips CD-i game, probably one of the best games on that machine. It mixes FMV with sprites and looks terrific. It also has a nice back story and some great locations like the Statue Of Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf0uUVqk8L4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf0uUVqk8L4)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: nakamura on February 07, 2013, 22:25:13 PM
To be honest, I think the Saturn craps all over the DC, better in pretty much every way in terms of gaming. Shooters, fighters, RPGs and diverse action games are catered so well on the machine. As good as some DC games are, few are better imo.

Yes you have the late Sega arcade stunners but still plenty of the same type on Saturn and Sega Rally is miles better than SR2. :)

Quote from: "dcultrapro"
nice stuff! I'm kinda having a hard time deciding between my DC and Saturn now in terms of which is my fave retro console, it was Saturn, then Dreamcast when the DC came out, and has been DC for years but now I'm starting to think the Saturn has a more diverse catalogue to the DC, I've seen everything the DC has to offer and I'm still finding Saturn games I want even now
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on February 08, 2013, 09:20:12 AM
yeah I do think that the Saturn has an awesome games library, the DC I've seen all it has to offer and I will always love it but right now I'm really loving diving into the saturns collection, its crazy diverse
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 08, 2013, 20:30:34 PM
I love the Saturn - I have a model 1 PAL and a white Japanese model. Have quite a few decent import games - some of the biggies -Radiant Silvergun, Soukyuagarentai, Layer Section, Parodius Series etc. I've also double dipped on the big games such as Sega Rally and VF2 so I have both PAL and NTSC versions and I don't have to use the AR cart to play them on my white Saturn.

I have a decent PAL collection too which I picked up in the late 90's out of bargain bins and places like Ca$h Converters when people either jumped to the PS1 or Dreamcast - all the better for me.

The controller is a thing of beauty - the dpad is to die for and I cannot figure out how the DC ended up with such a poor one. Have a couple of Virtua sticks and analogue controllers too - will post some pics of my collection..
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 08, 2013, 20:35:24 PM
Some old pics - have a few more than shown here - really will have to update this at some point.....

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames1)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames2)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames3)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames4)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames5)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames6)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames7)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames8)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnGames9)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnNights)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on February 08, 2013, 20:43:23 PM
Very nice indeed! You have loads of stuff I want there!

Once I have some cash I will start collecting Jap Saturn games again.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on February 08, 2013, 20:59:58 PM
Nice collection fella.. Some jump out at me there,
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 10, 2013, 22:29:22 PM
my Saturn hardware pics...

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware1.JPG)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware2.jpg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware3.jpg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware4.jpg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware5.jpg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware6.jpg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.kelly4/saturnHardware7.jpg)

Have been working on getting rid of the defacing to the 2nd virtua stick - almost all gone now..
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on February 10, 2013, 22:34:34 PM
Beautiful!  :-*
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: tomwaits on February 10, 2013, 22:39:35 PM
If you use the Saturn Virtua Sticks a lot, you might be happier replacing them with the Japanese Virtua Stick Pro. They're FAR better than the standard sticks... almost arcade quality without any modding. I think the shape, weight, and button layout are almost perfect.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 10, 2013, 22:53:58 PM
Don't actually use them all that much since the Saturn pad is so nice - but yeah - I've heard those sticks are much better.

I use the stick with Fantasy Zone - it's the one game I really get the benefit of a stick with for some reason.

Jesus that pro stick is beautiful - had heard of it but hadn't really paid much attention - just watched an unboxing video for one.....drool.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: tomwaits on February 10, 2013, 23:58:27 PM
I usually use the pro stick for arcade style games... esp. fighting games and shmups. The Saturn pad is excellent but I definitely play better using a stick and 'quicker' buttons.

I have two of the HSS-0136 single player sticks, not the HSS-0130 which is a full 2P arcade control panel. The HSS-0136 sticks aren't very expensive.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 11, 2013, 19:47:26 PM
OK - the 1 player stick would certainly be more practical in more ways than one...
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Vyothric on February 11, 2013, 19:49:31 PM
Can I have one of the analogue stick controllers?  :P
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 11, 2013, 21:06:35 PM
:)

They're quite sweet to use - you can clearly see how the DC controller came from them - but it's not so clear why the dpad didn't make it to the DC unscathed.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on February 12, 2013, 13:04:22 PM
awesome collection bud! some nice stuff on display here, its tempting me to take some pics of my collection again, especially as its now gotten a lot bigger since then lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on February 13, 2013, 15:59:44 PM
thought I'd share my old pics, you can check out my channel update for the latest games I bought but I really can't be fcked to take new pics of all my games lol... its too time consuming

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/ultrapro/Ultrapros%20new%20collection%20pics/IMAG0226.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/ultrapro/Ultrapros%20new%20collection%20pics/IMAG0203.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/ultrapro/Ultrapros%20new%20collection%20pics/IMAG0205.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/ultrapro/Ultrapros%20new%20collection%20pics/IMAG0220.jpg)

bought like 10 Saturn games since these were taken, maybe more? I have 70 Saturn games now so there you go lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on February 13, 2013, 19:37:37 PM
There are photos of my stuff in my collection thread here.

When I move I will have to take all new ones though  :D
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on February 13, 2013, 19:59:23 PM
PAL PD saga - worth a few bob. Nice collection.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on February 25, 2013, 22:25:52 PM
Reading through an old interview with Capcom, (around time Sega had just annouced the Dreamcast) and it threw up a few interesting points:

1)Saturn Resident Evil 2 (or Biohazard 2 in Japan), Capcom said it WOULD'NT have been impossible to do, nor would it needed the 4MB Ram cart, as Ram was'nt the issue, 2 key things stopped it happening:

The 1st, Sega annoucing the Dreamcast and that they (Sega) were no onger working on Saturn games-Capcom felt that people would stop buying Saturn games as it was seen as being a 'dead' console and also retailers would start clearing shelves of Saturn games, to replace with something else (this also meant Capcom would'nt be converting any more CPS II games to Saturn).

The 2nd issue was that Capcom were struggling to get the top performance from the Saturn's CPU, (something they admit Sega's own internal team had managed) and as a result, the CPU speeds they were getting, were too slow to handle the 'graphics calculations' Res Evil 2 needed, as it was on PS1.

So, they were'nt going to re-code Res.Evil 2 for Saturn, when Sega had just pulled the plug on it.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on February 28, 2013, 12:46:38 PM
I need to play some more Deep Fear and Enemy Zero on my Saturn, also really wanna get more into some of the new titles I bought like Tunnel B1 and Crusader No Remorse. Doubt I will get too far into these as I have SOOOOO many games I wanna play and projects I wanna start on my channel, but maybe if/when we have kids and they are older and I'm in my 40s I can get back into them again. Hopefully I'll have a nice retro gaming loft or basement where I can retreat to lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on March 02, 2013, 13:06:34 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I need to play some more Deep Fear and Enemy Zero on my Saturn, also really wanna get more into some of the new titles I bought like Tunnel B1 and Crusader No Remorse. Doubt I will get too far into these as I have SOOOOO many games I wanna play and projects I wanna start on my channel, but maybe if/when we have kids and they are older and I'm in my 40s I can get back into them again. Hopefully I'll have a nice retro gaming loft or basement where I can retreat to lol

You can always give the games I don't have to me! They have loads of Saturn games in the shop where I live but there was only one in there that I didn't already have, which was Maximum Force and I bought that already. I still need to work out what I am missing PAL games wise, would be nice to get close to having a complete collection. I know I am not that far off, I have a list somewhere.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on March 02, 2013, 18:45:23 PM
Have been putting in some time on Saturn DoDopnPachi with my rotated CRT.....great game. The Saturn version really benefits from the TATE mode as the hori mode is very pixellated,
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
Something I really want to pick up is the MSX collection by Konami, it has over 30 of their games from the MSX computer on it all perfectly emulated. I have no experience of the MSX but the system has always intrigued me and there are some real classics here.

You can see a full list of the games on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Ant ... Collection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Antiques_MSX_Collection)

I also found a good gameplay video too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbyAoFBrcac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbyAoFBrcac)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on May 22, 2013, 13:36:28 PM
Thinking on from SEGA's GG vs GB TV ad:

Saturn advert on Jap.TV:

2 chimps sat in front of tv's, playing on games consoles, Segal is playing on Saturn (VF), whilst Anthony is playing on Playstation (Starblade).Anthony soon gets bored, switches tv off and f*cks off, Segal gives the now dead tv a quick glance...carries on playing VF!.

Moral being:Playstation games soon get boring, lol.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 22, 2013, 18:43:56 PM
[align=center:3kysxipn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEHWHgbU5Jw[/align:3kysxipn]

[align=center:3kysxipn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cIvo8flaBc[/align:3kysxipn]
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on May 22, 2013, 19:06:21 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
[align=center:1ix81inv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEHWHgbU5Jw[/align:1ix81inv]

[align=center:1ix81inv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cIvo8flaBc[/align:1ix81inv]

2nd vid was the best, reminded me of the old SEGA MD Vs SNES ads, making point about MD having more games avaiable at that time than the SNES.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 25, 2013, 22:16:11 PM
[align=center:1590mz7a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cegoTJ18r-M[/align:1590mz7a]

[align=center:1590mz7a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99iiUtPR-fM[/align:1590mz7a]
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 03, 2013, 16:29:36 PM
Been talking of how reviewers were 'open' about not wanting or expecting '16 Bit games' on a Next-Gen.platform like the Jaguar over in the Jaguar  reviews-a look back thread, so thought i'd put up few examples of where saturn had similar problems at review, with 16 bit gameplay being seen as a flaw:

All from Edge as they were often most harsh mag on reviews for all formats:

Darius Gaiden 6/10 '..gameplay is still 16-Bit, perhaps even 8-Bit, but visually at least, looks fit for saturn'.

Victory Goal 6/10 '...all the graphical pretensions of a 32 Bit simulator, but the shallow mechanics of a 16 Bit arcade game'.

Clockwork Knight 6/10 '...no point buying next-gen hardware, unless software looks like cutting edge, 32 Bit material..but it also needs to play better than it's forebears.sadly Clockwork Knight fails on the latter count'.


And good example of reviewer clearly stating what they expected on next gen:

Alone In The Dark II review, Maximum, Saturn 2/5


'...great for it's time.....Saturn owners should expect far more in this day and age and AITDII does'nt deliver, the fact it's the only game in the market quite like it makes no difference-genre needs to be taken to next level.this kind of straight-port-over on an aged title just is'nt wanted in the Saturn market.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on June 05, 2013, 22:29:20 PM
I have been saying for ages that I want to get the other Sega Ages for the Saturn, I just watched a video of Power Drift and I REALLY want this now  :8:

Power Drift - Sega Saturn (http://http)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 09, 2013, 17:24:12 PM
Few more from Maximum, seems Digital Pinball on all systems often did'nt go down well with reviewers, be it Ruiner on Jag in UFG, True on PS1 in Maximum, now:

Digital Pinball on Saturn 2/5 in Maximum '...ain't worth 40 of anyones money...playable, but uninspiring and short lived...really has no buisness getting an offical release'.


Shinobi-X 2/5 'you should expect a whole lot more in terms of ground-breaking software for your expensive machine'

Reviewer does however make point of saying that people were expecting photo-realistic, 24 Bit Colour back-grounds in the game, due to claims invented by misinformed jurnolists!.Talk about building unrealistic expectations.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Minerals on June 09, 2013, 17:27:39 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I have been saying for ages that I want to get the other Sega Ages for the Saturn, I just watched a video of Power Drift and I REALLY want this now  :8:

Power Drift - Sega Saturn (http://http)

That looks freakin awesome, love the soundtrack too
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: onthinice on June 10, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
The detail is amazing. The sunny, night and cloudy winter day racing really adds appeal. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 11, 2013, 15:09:40 PM
Bit more on how harsh reviewers could be:

C+VG Last Bronx review:

3/5 A technically brilliant conversion, of an average game, Sega have given us much better many times before.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on June 16, 2013, 09:17:27 AM
That looks bloody awesome! Might have to get me some lol
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 18, 2013, 17:16:09 PM
Continuing from post in 3DO thread on Legacy Of Kain, i knew saturn version had been canned-happened at time a lot of publishers started doing the same with Saturn versions, as PS1 was steamrolling all under foot, Saturn user base deemed too small, too risky etc, but was'nt aware Saturn version was going to be an enhanced version (though given it's 2D abilities it seems the idea machine to put the game on).

Rumours of game being 75% complete, 100% complete were denied by Silicon Knights, but footage that has appeared shows differences to status panel and claims by person who say's he played a 75%+ complete version said the slowdown from the PS version was gone, there was more blood, voice samples loaded quicker etc.

Personally would have loved an enhanced edition back then or an HD version today.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on June 18, 2013, 19:47:56 PM
What a shame  :12:
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on June 19, 2013, 22:22:12 PM
I really want these!

Sega Ages Memorial Selection / ??????????? VOL.1 (Sega Saturn) (http://http)

Sega Ages Memorial Selection / ??????????? VOL.2 (Sega Saturn) (http://http)

Real retro awesomeness right there!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on August 01, 2013, 21:11:22 PM
I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about all the different versions of the Saturn console. It is just amazing how many there are considering the machine was relatively unsuccessful for Sega.

Does anyone own any of these fancy variations or any others?

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/Chewy_017/saturn_skeleton.jpg)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Sega-Saturn-TOYSOURS-SONIC-Console-System-Limited-Import-JAPAN-2387-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqZ,!gwE9T96KBrmBPbCBZLL8!~~60_35.JPG)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Samsung-Sega-Saturn-KOREA-KOREAN-System-Console-BUNDLE-Samsung-Controller-more-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/sggAAOxyY3ZRr-LI/$(KGrHqFHJBsFC17GR(+wBRr-LIdYq!~~60_35.JPG)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/29m2bmp.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on August 04, 2013, 02:07:49 AM
I would kill anyone quite literally, to own that "This Is Cool" Saturn... SERIOUSLY  :59:
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 17, 2013, 18:20:54 PM
Really was'nt sure where to put this, but....odd as it might sound, if Sega had'nt released Clockwork Knight on the Saturn, chances are we'd not have seen Grand Theft Auto.....or at least not as we 'knew' it in it's original form.

DMA coder, Mike Dailly had been working on a prototype city engine for use in a gang war type game , but it encountered technical difficulties and the game engine looked very similar (as did the gameplay mechanics) to Syndicate Wars, so he+team were forced to reconsider what to do with it.....


DMA had seen good buisness in the past from platform games and Mike had seen and been very impressed by the Saturn's Clockwork Knight, in the way it took a side-view platformer and added a perspective display to the platforms, giving them convincing depth, so he took the idea and built his own engine and with it, thought struck him, that although it was a 'side-on' engine, all he needed do was add a floor and hey presto, it was an 'above engine'.

He showed said engine to Dave Jones, who loved it as the viewpoint allowed him to 'flesh out' the concept of what a city contained, rather than how it looked and it'd be ideal for a classic 'Cops 'n' Robbers' game he thought would appeal.

Thus 'Race'n' Chase' (as G.T.A was originally known whilst in development) was born and whole thing pitched to BMG. rest as they say is history.....


Ironically the Saturn (and N64) version which was planned was dropped due to too small a user base (in both cases).

G.T.A did not, as many think, create the 'sandbox' genre, developers admit influences came from:Turbo Espirt, Micro Machines, Mercenary, Elite, Syndicate as 1 might expect, to the more bizare Pac-Man, Pinball and Postman Pat's Trail Game!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on September 17, 2013, 21:42:04 PM
I remember the Saturn version of GTA being announced, I so wish it had come out as I think that it would have looked far better on the Sega machine.

The PS1 version of GTA was converted by Imagitec Design and they were supposed to do the Saturn version too and I know it was started but they were pulled off it to get other projects finished.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: 64bitRuss on September 17, 2013, 22:57:47 PM
The N64 games Body Harvest and Space Station Silicon Valley are DMA games, which precede the GTA3 series. You might not be talking about exactly the same thing here, but as far as influence and the origins of sandbox games, you can definitely look to those two N64 games made by the guys who would make the big leap on the PS2 with GTA3
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on April 19, 2014, 22:25:16 PM
[align=center:10bw0bp2]Fun With the Sega Saturn Arcade Racer (http://http)[/align:10bw0bp2]
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on April 27, 2014, 23:57:26 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I would kill anyone quite literally, to own that "This Is Cool" Saturn... SERIOUSLY† :59:

I own a Hi-Saturn and a This is Cool Saturn (they have nifty controllers that match as well, of course).† You're missing one model also, the Derby Stallion Saturn.† One thing to mention about these, I believe they were all Japan only (I know in the US we only got the black model); the Saturn actually outsold the N64 in Japan, and was a worthy rival to the PlayStation.† It was in the US that the Saturn hemhorraged money, due to its botched launch (retailers found out it was coming early at E3, had no shelf space and were not happy), as well as Bernie Stolar of Sega America deciding that no one wanted to play 2d games or RPGs anymore (Bernie having just been fired from SCEA partly for thinking FFVII would never sell in America and opposing a marketing push for it).† So it actually makes sense; the Japanese market got cool variants since it was successful, but they never made it overseas.† Actually, part of what angered a lot of developers and peripheral makers was that Sega killed the Saturn in Japan in favor of Katana/Dreamcast, as it was still very successful there.

Here is the Derby Stallion model:† (http://www.jwnyc.com/games/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/saturnskeleton03-343x400.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on April 28, 2014, 00:13:13 AM
Quote from: "Ben"
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I would kill anyone quite literally, to own that "This Is Cool" Saturn... SERIOUSLY  :59:

I own a Hi-Saturn and a This is Cool Saturn (they have nifty controllers that match as well, of course).  You're missing one model also, the Derby Stallion Saturn.  One thing to mention about these, I believe they were all Japan only (I know in the US we only got the black model); the Saturn actually outsold the N64 in Japan, and was a worthy rival to the PlayStation.  It was in the US that the Saturn hemhorraged money, due to its botched launch (retailers found out it was coming early at E3, had no shelf space and were not happy), as well as Bernie Stolar of Sega America deciding that no one wanted to play 2d games or RPGs anymore (Bernie having just been fired from SCEA partly for thinking FFVII would never sell in America and opposing a marketing push for it).  So it actually makes sense; the Japanese market got cool variants since it was successful, but they never made it overseas.  Actually, part of what angered a lot of developers and peripheral makers was that Sega killed the Saturn in Japan in favor of Katana/Dreamcast, as it was still very successful there.

Colour me jealous!!!!

I never understood why Bernie Stolar did that, I really don't. I bought a Saturn over the PS1 because it had the much better games library and the games I wanted to play, those included 3D and 2D titles. The Saturn had the best of both worlds. The Saturn still has a killer library with so many AAA titles and then when you discover the Japanese library too it just blows you away. It's such a shame that Sega made so many mistakes it with and that so many people believed Sony's hype and bullshit too.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: SnakeEyes on April 28, 2014, 07:37:25 AM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "Ben"
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I would kill anyone quite literally, to own that "This Is Cool" Saturn... SERIOUSLY  :59:

I own a Hi-Saturn and a This is Cool Saturn (they have nifty controllers that match as well, of course).  You're missing one model also, the Derby Stallion Saturn.  One thing to mention about these, I believe they were all Japan only (I know in the US we only got the black model); the Saturn actually outsold the N64 in Japan, and was a worthy rival to the PlayStation.  It was in the US that the Saturn hemhorraged money, due to its botched launch (retailers found out it was coming early at E3, had no shelf space and were not happy), as well as Bernie Stolar of Sega America deciding that no one wanted to play 2d games or RPGs anymore (Bernie having just been fired from SCEA partly for thinking FFVII would never sell in America and opposing a marketing push for it).  So it actually makes sense; the Japanese market got cool variants since it was successful, but they never made it overseas.  Actually, part of what angered a lot of developers and peripheral makers was that Sega killed the Saturn in Japan in favor of Katana/Dreamcast, as it was still very successful there.

Colour me jealous!!!!

I never understood why Bernie Stolar did that, I really don't. I bought a Saturn over the PS1 because it had the much better games library and the games I wanted to play, those included 3D and 2D titles. The Saturn had the best of both worlds. The Saturn still has a killer library with so many AAA titles and then when you discover the Japanese library too it just blows you away. It's such a shame that Sega made so many mistakes it with and that so many people believed Sony's hype and bullshit too.

Both the PS1 and Saturn have a killer library. If you include the japanese stuff, the PS1 has a huge collection of 2D games. Just not a lot of people realise it.

I am one of those that love the Saturn, but to get the best out of it you really need to get involved in the japaneses side of things, especially as it means you don't have to deal with the awful PAL boxes.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 07, 2014, 13:11:43 PM
[align=center:266d35po]Guardian Heroes (Sega Saturn) - Leftover Culture Review (http://http)

Earthworm Jim 2 (Sega Saturn) - Leftover Culture Game review (http://http)

Alien Trilogy (Sega Saturn) - Leftover Culture Game Review (http://http)[/align:266d35po]
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on May 08, 2014, 17:24:54 PM
Quote from: "SnakeEyes"
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "Ben"
Quote from: "dcultrapro"
I would kill anyone quite literally, to own that "This Is Cool" Saturn... SERIOUSLY  :59:

I own a Hi-Saturn and a This is Cool Saturn (they have nifty controllers that match as well, of course).  You're missing one model also, the Derby Stallion Saturn.  One thing to mention about these, I believe they were all Japan only (I know in the US we only got the black model); the Saturn actually outsold the N64 in Japan, and was a worthy rival to the PlayStation.  It was in the US that the Saturn hemhorraged money, due to its botched launch (retailers found out it was coming early at E3, had no shelf space and were not happy), as well as Bernie Stolar of Sega America deciding that no one wanted to play 2d games or RPGs anymore (Bernie having just been fired from SCEA partly for thinking FFVII would never sell in America and opposing a marketing push for it).  So it actually makes sense; the Japanese market got cool variants since it was successful, but they never made it overseas.  Actually, part of what angered a lot of developers and peripheral makers was that Sega killed the Saturn in Japan in favor of Katana/Dreamcast, as it was still very successful there.

Colour me jealous!!!!

I never understood why Bernie Stolar did that, I really don't. I bought a Saturn over the PS1 because it had the much better games library and the games I wanted to play, those included 3D and 2D titles. The Saturn had the best of both worlds. The Saturn still has a killer library with so many AAA titles and then when you discover the Japanese library too it just blows you away. It's such a shame that Sega made so many mistakes it with and that so many people believed Sony's hype and bullshit too.

Both the PS1 and Saturn have a killer library. If you include the japanese stuff, the PS1 has a huge collection of 2D games. Just not a lot of people realise it.

I am one of those that love the Saturn, but to get the best out of it you really need to get involved in the japaneses side of things, especially as it means you don't have to deal with the awful PAL boxes.

Since you mentioned that, I actually posted a pretty lengthy list of Saturn games that weren't released in the US and are pretty well playable without a translation over at Racketboy, when I used to post there.  I have to admit that I don't know the PS1 import library that well, especially the 2D stuff; but I own darn near every good 2d Saturn game. 

Anyway, here's that list I made, these are games that I consider to be at least good (if not great), and that don't get mentioned as much (so I didn't put on Radiant Silvergun or X-Men VS Street Fighter, for instance):

Cotton 2: Probably the best cute 'em up of all time.
Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru: A side scroller beat em up with horror elements, highly recommended.
Elevator Action Returns: Side scrolling beat em up.
Sexy Parodius Ė Great shmup, also released in Europe in English.
Astra Super Stars : Very underrated fighter by Sunsoft.
Gungriffon II: Excellent mech/FPS hybrid.
Princess Crown: A side scroller with RPG elements, spiritual predecessor to Odin Sphere. One of the best games on the Saturn.
Dungeons and Dragons: Tower of Doom Ė Basically a side scrolling beat em up with some RPG elements.
Kyukyuoku Tiger II Plus: Overhead shmup.
Groove on Fight: Great 2d figher.
Tryrush Deppy: Side scrolling platformer.
Hyper Duel Ė Shmup.
Game Tengoku: Another great shmup.
Cyberbots: 2d mech fighting game.
Blast Wind Ė Underrated Shmup.
Bulk Slash Ė Mech fighting game.
PuLiRuLa: Side scrolling beat em up (sort of), with some really beautiful animation.
Sengoku Blade Ė Another underrated shooter.
Battle Garegga Ė Very underrated shmup.
Soukyugurentai Ė Another shmup.
Batsugun: Another shooter.
Virtual Hydlide: A dungeon crawler with random dungeons, it's a remake of the SNES Hydlide. Most people hate this one, but I like it, so I put it on anyway.
Nekketsu Oyako: Side scrolling beat em up.
Purikura Daisakusen: Isometric beat em up.
Dodonpachi: ANOTHER shmup.
Thunder Force V: Side scrolling shmup.
Silhouette Mirage: Side scroller with very colorful graphics by Treasure. Not an exclusive (also on the PSX), but a great game.
Deep Fear: Survival Horror game set underwater, released in Europe in English.
Super Tempo: Very colorful 2D side scroller, sequel to the Genesis games.
Ninpen Manmaru: A 3D platformer from Enix with animated cutscenes. It works with the 3d controller.
Elan Doree: 3D fighter with characters riding dragons, basically Panzer Dragoon Fighter.
Pretty Fighter X: A 2d fighter with high school girls and anime cut scenes. It's not half bad!
Skull Fang: Another shmup.
Dragon Ball Z Densetsu: Decent 2D fighter, I'd pass if you aren't a DBZ fan.
Dragon Ball Z Shinbutoden: Same as above.
Wolf Fang: You guessed it...A SHMUP!
SDF Macross: I hesitated to put this on, it's a great Shmup but has a ton of Japanese text/dialogues. Still playable, but you miss something.
Macross DYRL: See above.
Asuka 120% Limited: Another girl-centric fighter, it was released on Japanese PCs and the PSX too, but this is considered the best version.
Gekirindan: Another shmup.
Dezaemon: OMG! A shmup!
Darius Gaiden: It's Darius on the Saturn. SHMUP
Darius II: It's Darius II on the Saturn. SHHHHHHHHMUUUUUUUUPPPPPP
Sonic Council: Very good 2D fighter.
Cotton Boomerang: Cotton 2 with a few new characters and an amped up difficulty. Probably for SHMUP freaks only, I love shmups and this one makes me want to pull my hair out. Plus it's basically Cotton 2 anyway.


The one thing I noticed when I made that list, is that not speaking Japanese really limits you to a high % of shmups, so it's easy to get burnt out.  But there are a TON of great Saturn imports that are worth grabbing.  I thought it was kind of cool that after I posted that, also, a lot of the games I listed were featured on Game Sack, so I'm guessing people saw my list and submitted them.  Their most recent Left in Japan video has several of these, although I didn't agree with Joe's review of Tryrush Deppy!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on May 08, 2014, 18:45:43 PM
Cheers for that list, I would love to extend my Saturn collection into some Japanese games but the cost of some of the games is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 08, 2014, 18:54:39 PM
Great list Ben, but there are quite a few on that list are available in PAL like Virtual Hydlide, Deep Fear and, Gun Griffon and the Darius games.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on May 08, 2014, 19:23:15 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Great list Ben, but there are quite a few on that list are available in PAL like Virtual Hydlide, Deep Fear and, Gun Griffon and the Darius games.
Yeah, I'm not 100% positive on which ones you guys got, so I apologize  if there are a lot of redundant titles.  I know there are still quite a few that weren't put out in the UK, particularly the fighters, though.  We barely got any games for the Saturn after 1996 in the US, unfortunately, as that list shows (and that doesn't even include my rpgs!).  I'd really appreciate it if one of you UK posters could glance through that and tell me exactly which ones were (I knew about Parodius and Deep Fear, wasn't aware you guys got Gun Griffon and Darius), given that it would help American collectors who don't know Japanese out quite a bit.

Also, zapiy, I was just lucky in that I picked most of my games up in the late 90's when prices were still low (really glad I bought Panzer Dragoon Saga when I had the chance).  Just putting this out there, I know there is a seller in the UK who still offers Saturn modchips, and given that these games are almost certainly not  going to be released if they haven't yet been...
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on May 08, 2014, 19:26:04 PM
I actually have a complete PAL list on my computer somewhere, I will find it and post it.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on July 16, 2014, 03:57:34 AM
[align=center:16b8ifz6]Sega Saturn Console Review - Leftover Culture Review (http://http)[/align:16b8ifz6]
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TL on July 17, 2014, 20:55:53 PM
Great video that! Always good to see more Saturn love!  :8:
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on July 19, 2014, 11:09:20 AM
I really enjoyed that. Time for some Saturn love in my house me thinks.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on July 24, 2014, 21:08:26 PM
posted these in the collection thread but this is a better place for these.

The rest of my Saturn import games:

(http://www.davykelly.com/saturnGames10.JPG)


(http://www.davykelly.com/saturnGames11.JPG)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: dcultrapro on July 26, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
Very nice mate, I love the Saturn so much, it's probably just a fraction behind the Dreamcast for me. I recently picked up the original Need For Speed, its pretty good but not without its niggles. I need to do some more Saturn delving soon as I am able to import titles now thanks to the action replay :D
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 03, 2014, 14:47:07 PM
[align=center:2sj0r227]Sega Saturn Games - HIDDEN GEMS (http://http)[/align:2sj0r227]
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on October 22, 2014, 14:42:26 PM
Quote from: "davyk"

posted these in the collection thread but this is a better place for these.

The rest of my Saturn import games:

(http://www.davykelly.com/saturnGames10.JPG)


(http://www.davykelly.com/saturnGames11.JPG)

[member=5220]davyk[/member] Which of your Jap games do you treasure the most fella..

Nice collection and well jell.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on October 22, 2014, 19:34:42 PM
A bit off topic, but Metal Jesus is looking pretty good these days.  Thanks posting the video also, of course. 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 22, 2014, 19:38:42 PM
I saw that he was at PRGE.  It would have been cool to meet him.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: llayboy on October 23, 2014, 21:18:47 PM
Need to get an Action Replay cart for my Saturn. Only have 4 Saturn games so the collection needs to grow!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Shadowrunner on October 23, 2014, 22:03:57 PM
Quote from: "llayboy"
Need to get an Action Replay cart for my Saturn. Only have 4 Saturn games so the collection needs to grow!

Well, that's 4 more than I have! I've been meaning to get a Saturn for a few years now but it never seems to happen. One of these days I will get serious about it and get one :)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on October 24, 2014, 20:52:38 PM
Quote from: "llayboy"
Need to get an Action Replay cart for my Saturn. Only have 4 Saturn games so the collection needs to grow!
 
If you have any genres you would want recommendations for, feel free to ask.  I could also throw together a sort of "Best value for money" list if that's something you're interested in, as well.  The Saturn is my favorite console, so it's no bother to help someone else get deeper into the library. 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: llayboy on October 24, 2014, 20:53:59 PM
Quote from: "Ben"
Quote from: "llayboy"
Need to get an Action Replay cart for my Saturn. Only have 4 Saturn games so the collection needs to grow!
 
If you have any genres you would want recommendations for, feel free to ask.  I could also throw together a sort of "Best value for money" list if that's something you're interested in, as well.  The Saturn is my favorite console, so it's no bother to help someone else get deeper into the library.

That would be great if you could help me out. I'm pretty open when it comes to games so give me your best :-)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on October 24, 2014, 21:44:32 PM
No problem, if you want some more recommendations by genre, just let me know. 

My off the cuff Saturn top games list, by genre.

Top 5 Shmups:
1.  Parodius
2.  Hyper Duel
3.  Cotton 2
4.  Battle Garegga
5.  Radiant Silvergun

Top 5 2D Fighters:
1.  King of Fighters 97
2.  X-Men Vs. Street Fighter
3.  Astra Superstars
4.  Groove On Fight.
5.  Street Fighter Zero (Alpha) 3 (this version is better than the Dreamcast version when you use the 4 MB pack or Action Replay).

Top 5 Platformers/Sidescrollers:
1. Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru
2. Super Tempo
3. PuLiRuLa
4. Princess Crown
5. Elevator Action Returns

Top 5 3D Games:
1.  Deep Fear
2.  D
3.  Panzer Dragoon
4.  Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
5.  Nights into Dreams

Top 5 Value Games:
1.¬†  Tomb Raider Ė This is the better port compared to the PSX version and sells for around $5 U.S.
2.¬†  Galactic Attack
3.¬†  Sega Rally Championship
4.¬†  Shining the Holy Ark
5.¬†  Mystaria

I thought about a top 5 RPGs list, but the best ones are all Japanese only outside of a couple that are insanely expensive (Panzer Dragoon Saga in particular).  Mystaria and Shining the Holy Ark are great though, and on my value list already. 

EDIT:¬† I was just pricing some of these and was shocked!¬† Hyper Duel is around $180 now.¬† The rest are all somewhat reasonable, though.¬†  :21:

2nd EDIT:  Okay, Taroumaru is up to $400!  The rest, I am HOPING, are still reasonable as I have checked them on ebay.

3rd EDIT:  I was thinking about this, and I am going to set down this weekend and put together a Top 25 value list to help out anyone else getting into the Saturn.  These prices have gone WAY up even since 2008 or so.  It'll just take me a bit longer to do as I have to actually research going prices on them.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 24, 2014, 23:01:17 PM
That's quite the list! 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: llayboy on October 25, 2014, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: "Ben"
No problem, if you want some more recommendations by genre, just let me know. 

My off the cuff Saturn top games list, by genre.

Top 5 Shmups:
1.  Parodius
2.  Hyper Duel
3.  Cotton 2
4.  Battle Garegga
5.  Radiant Silvergun

Top 5 2D Fighters:
1.  King of Fighters 97
2.  X-Men Vs. Street Fighter
3.  Astra Superstars
4.  Groove On Fight.
5.  Street Fighter Zero (Alpha) 3 (this version is better than the Dreamcast version when you use the 4 MB pack or Action Replay).

Top 5 Platformers/Sidescrollers:
1. Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru
2. Super Tempo
3. PuLiRuLa
4. Princess Crown
5. Elevator Action Returns

Top 5 3D Games:
1.  Deep Fear
2.  D
3.  Panzer Dragoon
4.  Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
5.  Nights into Dreams

Top 5 Value Games:
1.¬†  Tomb Raider Ė This is the better port compared to the PSX version and sells for around $5 U.S.
2.¬†  Galactic Attack
3.¬†  Sega Rally Championship
4.¬†  Shining the Holy Ark
5.¬†  Mystaria

I thought about a top 5 RPGs list, but the best ones are all Japanese only outside of a couple that are insanely expensive (Panzer Dragoon Saga in particular).  Mystaria and Shining the Holy Ark are great though, and on my value list already. 

EDIT:¬† I was just pricing some of these and was shocked!¬† Hyper Duel is around $180 now.¬† The rest are all somewhat reasonable, though.¬†  :21:

2nd EDIT:  Okay, Taroumaru is up to $400!  The rest, I am HOPING, are still reasonable as I have checked them on ebay.

3rd EDIT:  I was thinking about this, and I am going to set down this weekend and put together a Top 25 value list to help out anyone else getting into the Saturn.  These prices have gone WAY up even since 2008 or so.  It'll just take me a bit longer to do as I have to actually research going prices on them.

Thank you for the list. I'll check them out and see how the UK prices tend to be. Might treat myself to one or two retro games next month. Gotta think of Christmas and all
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: 64bitRuss on November 27, 2014, 21:55:37 PM
I've been bitten by the Sega bug lately, and have expanded my Saturn collection a bit. Recently picked up CIB copies of Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Wipeout and Soviet Strike.

I've been playing Tomb Raider the most so far. My impressions of the game are that the controls are sloppy and loose, but I'm adjusting well to that. The graphics are gaudy as heck, the textures are almost hurtful to the eyes. The game is just as fun as I remember when it came out. This is my first experience with the Saturn version. I can't remember how good the PS1 version was, they had to be nearly identical I imagine. Does the Saturn version of TR do anything better than it's other ports?

I've never played any Resident Evil game before, so when I play the Saturn version that should be rather fun I'm hoping. I love the box art for the game, it's definitely better than the PS1 longbox version I seen, as far as artwork goes.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on December 01, 2014, 20:41:00 PM
Never played a Resident Evil game before? Your in for a treat my man, loved these games in the early days of the genre..

Let us know your thoughts?
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: onthinice on December 11, 2014, 15:58:56 PM
Great to see the Saturn getting some attention. I had planned on adding some more games my self. But this year it was the need for better controllers for some of my systems the Saturn included.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: 64bitRuss on December 11, 2014, 22:16:58 PM
Ordered a NOS Stunner gun for only $25. There is a local shop selling a CIB U.S. House of the Dead for $99. I'm thinking hard about grabbing it. What do you think, good deal there? It seems to be lower than most ebay auctions for it. Since I'm in the market now for light gun games, I'm really tempted to get this game, it gets pretty good reviews too. I'm also going to buy Area 51 and Maximum Force for sure!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: JoeMusashi on December 13, 2014, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: "onthinice"
But this year it was the need for better controllers for some of my systems the Saturn included.

I've been wanting to get hold of a couple of the older style controllers as I've not used them before. Which ones do you prefer?

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMJWkUoYtlK1ugkFywZPeqoIKIm3i-iL0dHjZM3gym_hdY-x_Y)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQc47NBiwR5sVmLY8lAIehTrvCzwLQwjFH3Z7lQNLbyM6-6vpsc)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: onthinice on December 13, 2014, 15:19:18 PM
I have the top controller and it is fine for me.

The bottom Saturn controller looks closer to the Mega Drive/Genesis controllers and might be more comfortable.

I actually need to get a new standard controller. I bought the bigger arcade stick and 3d controllers.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: 64bitRuss on December 16, 2014, 02:19:16 AM
I recently got 4 light gun games for my new Stunner gun:
-House of the Dead
-Area 51
-Maximum Force
-Virtua Cop

..and I went a few rounds with each of them over the weekend. Area 51 is every bit as fun as I remember in the arcades, so far this is my favorite to play. The availability of easy to obtain powerups and secret rooms keeps the game interesting, although I haven't found those secret rooms yet. Maximum Force is pretty much the same thing. Too bad Lethal Enforcers didn't make it to the Saturn, I remember that game being just as fun.

House of the Dead. Hmm...I did read that this conversion was ugly, and believe me, it really is one of the ugliest games on the Saturn! But, the gameplay is there and I find it rather fun, but really hard! I never had the chance to play this in the arcade,  man I bet this one would drain your supply of tokens in a hurry. I can handle the ugly graphics, but what bothers me most is the lack of powerups. I'm really surprised this game lacks any change in ammunition to use. I mean really, no shotgun in a zombie game?

Virtua Cop is solid. Tight gameplay, good accuracy with the Stunner. Loads of enemies to gun down, with streak scoring possibilities, and decent powerups. Great music with this one too.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: onthinice on December 16, 2014, 06:42:49 AM
I was curious about the Saturn light gun games. Good to know there are some winners.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on December 17, 2014, 23:15:54 PM
I wanted to respond to a couple of things here.  First, Tomb Raider.  At the time it came out, everyone complained about the lighting issues in the Saturn version compared to the PSX.  I had both, and here was my issue with the PSX version that gets forgotten:  The camera in the PSX version was much worse at following you, and any time you jumped or turned a corner, it would create graphical glitches (usually large polygons would just disappear and there would be clipping).  Here's a video that gives an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgQP7JOqgsk (http://http)

2nd, in regard to the two controllers, I always preferred the "second" model (the skinnier one), which is actually the only model ever released in Japan.  That is still my all time favorite controller for 2D games.

3rd, I put together a list of value games.  Keep in mind these are NOT the best games by any means, but as of posting this these can all be had for under $20 and IMHO are worth playing, some being better than others.  I might do a mid tier list later; this one took a long time and came in it at 21 games, but with the other 5 I listed gives you 26 sub-$20 games worth picking up.  I checked UK prices (with the help of a Google exchange rate calculator) and they are comparable, also.  This was really hard to do, Saturn prices just keep going up.

After Burner II - Nearly arcade perfect.
Alien Trilogy - Fun shooter and nice homage if you're a fan of the films.
X-Men - Children of the Atom - Different enough from X-Men vs. Street Fighter to be worth a purchase.
Space Harrier - Another arcade perfect port, just get the JP version for the cheaper price.
Sonic 3D Blast - I think in hindsight, this was a solid game, just not a traditional "Sonic" game.
Pandemonium - Underrated platformer.
Last Bronx - Excellent weapon fighter.
The Horde - Notorious for the Kirk Cameron scenes, it's actually not a terrible game.
Clockwork Knight - Another underrated platformer.
Earthworm Jim 2 - My favorite version of this one.
Torico/Lunacy - Underrated Puzzle/FMV game by Atlus.
Manx ITT Superbike - Underrated arcade racer.
Mr. Bones - Worth playing for the Montrose soundtrack alone.
Sega Touring Car Championship - Very underrated racer.
Skeleton Warriors - Based on the cartoon, similar to Shinobi.
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo - Still my favorite version of this one.
WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game - Actually an underrated fighter (yes, it's a fighter) based on the WWF.
Soviet Strike - Excellent helicopter shooter.
Bug! - Underrated Platformer.
Bug Too! - Another underrated platformer.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: obriethe1st on December 27, 2014, 22:49:35 PM
All the best to the merry people of the forum.Now i was hoping if someone might be able to help me out,for £25 i can get capcom generations 2 or princess crown and i quite fancy both games(obviously i know there is no language barrier to capcoms output)but is princess crown playable?I realise it has japanese text but is it fully playable?I find this game seems to have outstanding graphics but that is not enough,so i hope some of you have or have played it.
 Cheers and Happy New Year.
 
                     
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on December 29, 2014, 23:18:31 PM
Wish i could answer that, would love to know the answer to the question myself.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: guest5468 on December 30, 2014, 19:49:50 PM
Does anybody know if there are any issues using light guns with lcd or led tvs?


Rich451
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Shadowrunner on December 30, 2014, 20:06:36 PM
Unfortunately they do not work with LCD or LED. The same goes for HD CRT TV's as well. If you want to use a light gun you need an old standard definition CRT. I've also had problems using a gun with my flat screen CRT, but others have said it works for them so not too sure about that one. In any case if you have an old CRT around don't get rid of it!
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: 64bitRuss on December 31, 2014, 01:49:47 AM
I'm not digging Dragon Force at all. I find it confusing and unintuitive. I've never been a big rpg fan anyway, but once in awhile I've gotten into the crossover strategy/rpg genre, which this is supposed to be. I'm thinking about trading this one for another game I know I would play.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: onthinice on January 03, 2015, 19:08:18 PM
Thanks for the heads up about Dragon Force, 64bitRuss. I have thought about purchasing it in the past but figured it would set on the shelf.

I have always been a fan of Working Designs as a game publisher but after the Sega CD and Turbo-Graphix 16 were discontinued my interest waned, it would have been nice to see Working Designs release Lunar for the Saturn.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: 64bitRuss on January 04, 2015, 00:50:19 AM
I think there is a Lunar game on the Saturn. It's Japanese though, it keeps showing up on my ebay feed.

Dragon Force must be a pretty good game though, just because I don't have the patience for it doesn't mean it's not good. I would rather have something like Guardian Heroes instead, because that's more my style of game. I do have GH on my X360, but I would love to have the real original. I'm going to see if I can find someone to swap even up on that for my Dragon Force.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on January 20, 2015, 13:23:50 PM
Quote from: "obriethe1st"
All the best to the merry people of the forum.Now i was hoping if someone might be able to help me out,for £25 i can get capcom generations 2 or princess crown and i quite fancy both games(obviously i know there is no language barrier to capcoms output)but is princess crown playable?I realise it has japanese text but is it fully playable?I find this game seems to have outstanding graphics but that is not enough,so i hope some of you have or have played it.
 Cheers and Happy New Year.
 
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I apologize for missing this, I've been busy lately and hadn't kept up with the board, so I missed this one.¬† To answer your question, it is playable knowing no Japanese if you use a GameFAQs guide (and it's still very enjoyable).¬† http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/574569-p ... 3259  (http://www.gamefaqs.com/saturn/574569-princess-crown/faqs/43259 ) There are full dialogue translations on the GameFAQs page as well; the only thing that might give you trouble is the seeds you plant for items, there's no good way to know what they are without memorizing them.

Quote from: "64bitRuss"
I think there is a Lunar game on the Saturn. It's Japanese though, it keeps showing up on my ebay feed.


I wanted to clear this up also.  The best 32 bit version of Lunar is Lunar Silver Star Story Complete: MPEG Edition for the Saturn (only in Japan), that takes advantage of the MPEG card add on.  I know that the MPEG card will work fine in a U.S. Saturn with the Action Replay 4M, I'm not sure about a UK one (I haven't kept up on their prices either).  Here is a video of it in action (keep in mind this game is not really playable if you don't have some familiarity with Japanese):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE33yYkKui8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE33yYkKui8)

One ironic thing, a lot of the U.S. gaming mags criticized the Saturn for its compressed video quality, when the (Japan only) MPEG card add on allowed it to run circles around the PS1/PSX, as that video shows.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: obriethe1st on January 21, 2015, 13:28:41 PM
Ah thanks for that Ben i have just bought c/g 2 but i will most certainly get princess crown now i know i will be able to play it.On a different note i have j ust recieved metal slug in the post and i must say it is a bloody good game that will be getting a good playthrough when i have a spare hour or two.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: obriethe1st on January 23, 2015, 16:28:02 PM
Just recieved a model 1 jp saturn to finally play outrun,outrun was the first game i bought for my saturn many years ago unfortunatly i didnt realise it didnt work with model 2 saturns(mines a this is cool model).However i finally bought a jp model 1 and have been playing the reason i got a saturn at last :-).

Plus im loving the arranged music
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: guest5526 on March 09, 2015, 15:28:07 PM
I can testify that the MPEG card (Video CD card) was released in the UK, as I have one. I found it in the back of a Saturn I bought at a car boot sale a few years back, and it works perfectly without an Action Replay or anything else. Just pop it in and go! I've only ever used it to watch Video CDs though, as I don't think any PAL games were released that made use of it's abilities, which is a shame.

Quote from: "Ben"
Quote from: "obriethe1st"
I wanted to clear this up also.  The best 32 bit version of Lunar is Lunar Silver Star Story Complete: MPEG Edition for the Saturn (only in Japan), that takes advantage of the MPEG card add on.  I know that the MPEG card will work fine in a U.S. Saturn with the Action Replay 4M, I'm not sure about a UK one (I haven't kept up on their prices either).  Here is a video of it in action (keep in mind this game is not really playable if you don't have some familiarity with Japanese):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE33yYkKui8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE33yYkKui8)

One ironic thing, a lot of the U.S. gaming mags criticized the Saturn for its compressed video quality, when the (Japan only) MPEG card add on allowed it to run circles around the PS1/PSX, as that video shows.
Title: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Akuza on March 12, 2015, 02:30:09 AM
Sadly I had a playstation not a saturn... Well I say sadly like that's a bad thing... Hmm...anyway!

My friend had a saturn and I thought it was a pretty good system at the time.

Over the recent couple of years though I've accrued a pretty big saturn collection, got a Saturn from a retro shop with about 3 games and purely by accident I ended up picking up another Saturn bundle which the guy threw in for an extra £15 with a NES bundle I was buying, where the saturn came with around 20 odd games.

Plus on top of that I've been seeing a few while out and about...

However, I do enjoy the system, to me it's one of those systems I look at and think I should love this system, but I just think it's good, maybe I think I should love it since I have so many games, but maybe it's because most of the games were available on playstation...¬†  


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Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: hamie96 on March 12, 2015, 02:35:56 AM
One thing I could never understand about the Saturn is why they put so many CPUs in the system. I love the design of the Saturn controller though. Overall, it's a system that was designed to fail, yet it still had great games (Panzer Dragoon Saga etc).
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2015, 02:38:11 AM
Quote from: "Akuza"


However, I do enjoy the system, to me it's one of those systems I look at and think I should love this system, but I just think it's good, maybe I think I should love it since I have so many games, but maybe it's because most of the games were available on playstation...¬†  
The Saturn actually has more exclusives than any other console from the 32 bit era, it's just that most were Japan only.

Anyway, I bumped this thread because I don't think anyone ever posted this:  A level of the cancelled Sonic X-Treme game leaked.
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"Sonic X-Treme" could have been a flagship game for Sega Saturn. Instead, Sega's fortunes turned, Ninendo and Sony took control of the console business, and this Sonic game never was.

Until now. We have a glimmer Ė but just a glimmer Ė of what could have been. A group of fans have resurrected the game. Well, sort of. They've resurrected a semi-playable level of the game, which they are releasing for free on Windows.

Users can explore the three-dimensional Sonic level,where he can spin with twists and turns not just sprint side-to-side. The partial level makes it clear that if it had been fully realized, "Sonic X-Treme" could have transformed the franchise from side-scrolling to a fully immersive 3D world.

You can't even pick up the rings on this rudimentary level, nor are there much in the way of enemies to vanquish. But the community that put this together will reportedly use it as the basis for further expansion. It may not be the real thing, but it could turn into something really cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqAWTkYsnWI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqAWTkYsnWI)

http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture ... c-x-treme/ (http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/a14298/fans-breathe-life-into-sonic-x-treme/)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Shadowrunner on May 05, 2015, 04:51:14 AM
Looks good, nice to see this available to try.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Ben on May 06, 2015, 02:12:45 AM
Quote from: "Shadowrunner"
Looks good, nice to see this available to try.
More will be on the way, from what I've read.  Apparently the engine itself was finished, as were the levels (the estimate I read said 70% done) and most of the artwork and plot details have already leaked years ago, meaning it would be possible to "finish" this game 20 years later.  Also, the reason this is a true port is that Sega had partnered with NVIDIA (remember how the Saturn used quads and not polygons?) to make games that would run with their NV1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NV1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NV1) card and allow for easy PC ports (also remember all those Sega PC ports, i.e. Sonic R, Virtua Fighter, etc.).
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 07, 2016, 23:49:32 PM
This thread has not seen any action in a while.  Time to wake it up.  So, check out this video which asks the question:  is the Sega Saturn Worth Playing Today?  What do you think?

http://youtu.be/oL3ZIA5vVmk
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on October 11, 2016, 01:10:31 AM
Good grief, the extro on that video was looooong lol. I liked that dude so subscribed. Thanks for the heads up :)
Emphatic YES. I love that system. It's my 2nd favorite of all time! I'd play it daily if the risk wasn't so high for the CD parts to go out. Haven't touched it in months for that very reason. But, Radiant Silvergun, Nights Into Dreams and the Panzer Dragoon series are reason enough to own and play one. Plus, games like Resident Evil and Tomb Raider look great to me. Different from the Playstation versions in detail and beautiful in comparison. Dead or Alive as well. My favorite version of the game.
If/when the hack is released, I'll be changing my gaming habits considerably. Going back to hours and hours of obsessive gaming on this incredible machine like I used to. Indicentally, a couple of months ago I did an inventory of my Saturn collection and wouldn't trade any of the titles for the world. As Pixel Thing guy would say, Let's take a loook.

2x Sega Saturn units w/ custom dust covers (Hdwr)
2x AV Cables (Hdwr)
2x 3D Control pads (Hdwr)
2x regular Controllers (Hdwr)
3x Power Plugs (Hdwr)
1x RF Converter (Hdwr)
1x broken Saturn unit hopefully for bypass from cracked DRM (Hdwr)
1x Action Replay Plus 4mb (CIB) (other)
1x Japanese 4mb expansion cart w/ fighters on label and a switch (other)
1x Alone In the Dark (ejcc-extended jewel case complete)
1x Astral (ejcc)
1x Battle Arena Toshinden Remix (ejcc)
1x Black Fire (ejcc)
1x Blazing Dragons (ejcc)
1x Clockwork Knight (ejcc)
1x College Slam (ejcc)
1x Corpse Killer Graveyard Edition (ejcc)
1x Criticom w/ manual (jc-jewel case)
1x Cyberia (ejcc)
1x Darius Gaiden (ejcc)
1x Daytona USA (ejcc)
1x Double Switch (ejcc)
1x FIFA Soccer '96 (ejcc)
1x Fighting Vipers (ejcc)
1x Frank Thomas Big Hurt Baseball (ejcc)
1x Galactic Attack (ejcc)
1x Galaxy Fight (ejcc)
1x GEX (ejcc)
1x Ghen War (ejcc)
1x Last Gladiators Pinball (ejcc)
1x Madden '97 (ejcc)
1x Madden '98 (ejcc) sealed
1x MYST (ejcc)
1x NBA Jam T.E. (ejcc)
1x NFL '97 (ejcc) sealed
1x NFL Quarterback Club '96 (ejcc)
1x NFL Quarterback Club '97 (ejcc) sealed
1x NHL '97 (ejcc)
1x NHL All-Star Hockey (ejcc)
1x NHL Poerplay'96 (ejcc)
1x Nights Into Dreams (ejcc)
1x Off World Interceptor Extreme (ejcc)
1x Panzer Dragoon (ejcc)
1x Pro Pinball (ejcc)
1x Quarterback Attack (ejcc)
1x Revolution X (ejcc)
1x Robo Pit (ejcc) sealed
1x Solar Eclipse (ejcc)
1x Sonic 3D Blast (ejcc)
1x Soviet Strike (ejcc)
1x Star Fighter (ejcc)
1x Street Fighter The Movie (ejcc)
1x The Horde (ejcc) sealed
1x Tomb Raider (ejcc)
1x Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 (ejcc)
1x Virtua Cop (jco-jewel case only)
1x Virtua Fighter 2 (ejcc)
1x Virtua Fighter Remix (jco)
1x Virtua Racing (ejcc)
1x World Cup Golf; Professional Edition (ejcc)
1x World Series Baseball (ejcc)
1x Worldwide Soccer (ejcc) sealed


Last Gladiator Pinball is also a system maker to me. Have played that game more than any other probably. Star Fighter is great too. Not as good as the 3DO version with the fog effects blocking a further view but it didn't have as much power and they compensated where they could. Still a wonderful title and where are you going to find it today? I haven't seen it on any new consoles, even for download.
While I'm certain there's more to be found and added, this is what I've found so far. Not bad but when the DRM crack comes out I'll be dumping the entire library onto a single, specifically purchased external HD to run them from.
One of the greatest systems out there imo. 8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 11, 2016, 01:23:48 AM
Wow, that is one fantastic list of games and hardware for the system.  The Saturn is a system I've never played.  I knew of its existence when it launched but life was rather busy for me as I was still in postgraduate training and video games had taken a bit of a back sit for me.  I still had the 2600 and 7800 but that was about it for me then.  That's why I've ended up getting a lot of retro consoles later as an adult. 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on October 11, 2016, 01:33:15 AM
I hear you, gaming has taken a backseat for me many times when more important things arose. I do what I can now and love the collecting. This system has some great titles, a lot of which helped craft gaming so if the cracked DRM device hits the market I'd highly recommend picking one up along with a console. Even a broken one would be ideal as it's probably the spinner and won't be needed. The rest you can find in the wild without limitations really. Looking forward to the future of the Saturn, myself. I believe it's existence is about to be revitalized to the fullest :)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 11, 2016, 01:35:43 AM
Yeah, cracking the DRM for the system definitely will give it a new life.  Maybe even new titles will be created for it much like for other of Sega's systems.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on October 11, 2016, 07:59:54 AM
That is one cracking list you have there Saturn, really wish I could get to my collection itemised. I will one day that's for sure.

Excellent video btw, such an amazing system overall and maybe the system I have the most games for in my entire collection. Some classics that Saturn already mentioned and many more on top.


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Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Shadowrunner on October 11, 2016, 15:02:54 PM
Awesome Saturn collection! It's just about the only retro console I don't own that I would like to get, but with prices the way they are I may never get one.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on January 15, 2017, 21:00:42 PM
Here's a video from Metal Jesus for the Sega Saturn:  Buying Guide and Top 10!  Check it out.  I have to say this is one console I have been tempted to get but I've resisted.  :) 

http://youtu.be/OFjqOQxSAJo
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on January 19, 2017, 02:24:49 AM
Cool list. Lots on there I hadn't heard of. Wondering where Radiant Silvergun was??
As far as imports, that one has to be in the top "1" of any list lol.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on February 18, 2017, 00:49:30 AM
The folks from Esoteric Arcade bring you 10 unreleased Sega Saturn games. These were in various stages of development before being cancelled. They are being played on a soft-modded Sega Saturn.  It should be noted that they added music to Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Sonic X-Treme because they normally have no music and it helped out with the feel of the video. Werewolf's music is from Darkstalkers and Sonic X-Treme's is from Sonic 2.

https://youtu.be/u_KQFX8hZyk
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on February 18, 2017, 12:47:34 PM
Great video. Deep Fear blew me away. Wasn't aware of it and hoping it the (E) version works in SSF. That is too awesome not to play through.
Fighting Force looked cool as well. Taking the PS version for a spin soon. 8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on February 18, 2017, 15:18:41 PM
It is unfortunately that the console didn't do so well because it clearly was very capable and it had many good titles that were not even released.  As you say, it could compete fine with the PS. 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on June 19, 2018, 02:20:46 AM
Just watched this video.  Interesting look at the Saturn.  Any fans out there?

https://youtu.be/bzO2P4WJO8E
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on June 20, 2018, 03:03:28 AM
Excellent info. What a freakin power house! 8) Too bad it couldn't be utilised easier, I love this machine(http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx267/Saturn025/wub.gif)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on June 20, 2018, 04:28:04 AM
It's unfortunate how the story of the Saturn unfolded.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on July 13, 2018, 03:46:34 AM
I just watched this video.  Interesting take as to why the Saturn failed.  What do you think?  Do you agree with this perspective?

https://youtu.be/_7Uzb2kJdB4
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on February 20, 2019, 03:23:40 AM
Top Hat Gaming Man takes a look at the Sega Saturn...

https://youtu.be/XFjeTQFC-k8
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on March 22, 2019, 02:21:49 AM
Here is another video looking at the Sega Saturn...

https://youtu.be/65wK8XE8IlQ
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on April 15, 2019, 23:33:42 PM
Nice video looking at Japense-only release games for the Sega Saturn.   Check it out...

https://youtu.be/Rhrm65zTqCI
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on April 16, 2019, 02:44:46 AM
Absolutely phenomenal list of games. Would like to play them all. Have only blazed through one title, Radiant Silvergun but there's so much more!
The Saturn is a powerhouse. 8)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on April 16, 2019, 03:05:46 AM
It truly is one awesome console.  I love shooters and the games on this video all look fantastic.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on July 18, 2019, 09:27:37 AM
A guy from work has just got back from holiday in Japan. Before he went I gave him the names of some Saturn games I was looking for. He found a copy of Battle Garegga - but that's £120 even in Japan now so I let that go. However he did find this little gem for me :

(https://i.imgur.com/vAJUODg.jpg)

Kingdom Grand Prix is one of the better Saturn shmups that is still sensibly priced. It's interesting because it's a race game too - you race with 7 other characters to the end of the level. Holding down A makes you go faster but you can't shoot so it's a risk/reward thing. Has a TATE mode too and there's a cheat that unlocks a no race mode that lets you play as a straight up shooter.

I've played it a bit on MAME but fancied the saturn version. Played it last night and it's a lovely thing. Tough though.

Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on July 18, 2019, 09:39:26 AM
Spotted these in my local CEX and bought them on impulse after inspecting their condition.

(https://i.imgur.com/BjMJnvs.jpg)

I'm not really in the PAL game market any more but I still have a collection of the better PAL conversions and I also keep some games that run at 60Hz and are easier to play because of English menus.

So Athlete Kings is an upgrade to the snapcase style box. It plays great at 60Hz. and Manx TT is an upgrade too because my current copy's inlay has some water damage. Manx TT is PAL optimised though so I may pick up the JP version at some time for collecting purposes. I have Puzzle Bobble 2X JP version but as I'm into that series I picked up the PAL version too which plays fine at 60Hz.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on July 18, 2019, 09:44:54 AM
Went back to CEX the next day and upgraded my PAL copy of Pro Pinball : The Web. This plays great at 60Hz too. My old copy of this has a tattier box than this copy which is in excellent condition.

(https://i.imgur.com/w9DrHxe.jpg)

This was the 1st game in the Pro Pinball series and doesn't get a lot of attention. There are 4 in the series but it was left out of Pro Pinball Trilogy for Dreamcast and OldBox. (Lovely on DC btw esp with the VGA cable).

Bit of an underrated game. Plays very well. This series isn't as popular because each disc only has one table. They did quite well with fans of the genre on PC.

One table per game but the tables are quite deep. This is the first so is more basic than the others but it's still a splendid game. :)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on July 18, 2019, 11:36:44 AM

And copy of Puzzle Bobble 2X (JPN) for Saturn I got a couple of weeks back that got me into BAM again. Have quite a little spree on my Saturn collection recently. Gameplay wise this is exactly the same as the PAL version. I was actually hoping the PAL or JP version would have the Time Trial mode that the N64 version has but it doesn't seem to be there. My wife loves the 2 player versus TT mode.

(https://i.imgur.com/c84gXmV.jpg)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on July 18, 2019, 12:20:40 PM
Wow, nice set of Japanese games! 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on July 18, 2019, 16:22:45 PM
Those are fantastic! Congrats on the score...
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on October 28, 2019, 11:53:45 AM

Here's a replay of a run I recorded on Sega Rally. Far from my best performance; I hadn't played in a few months.

Any thoughts on this game today? I think it still plays great. This is the JP version but I have the PAL version too and it is the best PAL port of any game I have ever seen. If anything, the controls might be a tiny bit smoother. Miraculous what they did with the dpad. It works with the wheel and 3D controller but stick with the pad myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIL5hUdkreY

Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 28, 2019, 14:52:55 PM
That looks really cool.  Which controller did you use?
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Saturn on October 28, 2019, 15:10:33 PM
Some ace driving there. You make it look easy.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on October 28, 2019, 16:38:26 PM
That looks really cool.  Which controller did you use?

Standard pad.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on October 29, 2019, 00:35:41 AM
Dang and you did very well! 
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on October 29, 2019, 16:51:44 PM


I'm a scrub level player. There are people who can go a lot faster.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: zapiy on October 29, 2019, 21:17:40 PM
I would thrash you lol  8)

Easily the best Sega Rally version, hands down awesome game.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on October 30, 2019, 14:57:19 PM
Smack talk!!  :)

Maybe we could start up a high score, best times area here....have a game of the month or maybe just have a set of tables for a small number of games moderated by the OP owner.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: Shadowrunner on October 31, 2019, 14:08:46 PM
I'm not sure what my best score is but if I manage to get good one I'll post it. I bought a Saturn steering wheel a while ago so this will give me an excuse to use it more. :)
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: ArcadeAction on November 01, 2019, 05:27:22 AM
I've been playing a good amount of Saturn lately. I appreciate that a good number of shoot em ups allow you to rotate the screen for a vertical format.

Saturn Bomberman and Powerslave are quite good. Elevator Action Returns is interesting as well.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on November 01, 2019, 10:12:37 AM
I own 2 CRTS and I keep the smaller 21" permanently rotated for TATE shmups.

The Saturn has quite a few, as does the PS2 actually.


Re Saturn Bomberman - i'd say it's more than quite good....:)
I think it's up there with the best versions of that game.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: davyk on November 22, 2019, 21:37:09 PM


Saturn us 25 today.

Still a splendid console. Has aged far better than its contemporaries.
Title: Re: The Sega Saturn Thread
Post by: TrekMD on November 23, 2019, 16:46:30 PM
I saw a very brief article about it yesterday on Kotaku.  I've never had a Saturn.  I've been tempted to get one, though.