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Title: Most Technically Advanced Sega Megadrive/Genesis Games?
Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 02:23:07 AM
Ok we have a thread about Sega Megadrive/Genesis must have games but what about the most technically advanced games for the system?

First i will throw up is Vectorman.

(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/GAMES2/large/Sega_Classic_Diary_4_Vectorman_09large.jpg)

Vectorman was blessed with pre-rendered, 3D-like graphics. Vectorman not only looked beaufitul, but also provided some fantastic animations.
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Post by: sloan on February 21, 2014, 02:25:49 AM
Funny that there is an identical thread currently running over at Sega-16 site.

I will offer Toy Story with its pre-rendered 3D sprites. I also have to say that the RC race as a mini game in Toy Story is highly fun.

[align=center:3btutoqi][Full GamePlay] Toy Story [Sega Megadrive/Genesis] (//http)[/align:3btutoqi]
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Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 02:32:24 AM
I suppose there will be loads of similar threads around the net..
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Post by: TrekMD on February 21, 2014, 02:37:41 AM
I have Vectorman and it sequel, Vectorman 2.  Both are very nice games and I love the graphics.

[align=center:39i4fif5]Vectorman 2 (Sega Genesis) Gameplay (//http)[/align:39i4fif5]
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Post by: TL on February 21, 2014, 12:20:59 PM
Vectorman and Toy Story are both excellent shouts, released late in the system's life and do things that nobody thought the system was capable of.

My first pick though is Red Zone, a superb overhead shooter that fakes SNES Mode 7 perfectly and at a better speed than many of the similar games on Nintendo's machine! It also has an incredible FMV style intro that you would never expect from a cartridge game. This title really does prove that the Mega Drive is more than a match for the Super Nintendo:

[align=center:21i9e39v]Mega Drive Longplay [210] Red Zone (//http)[/align:21i9e39v]
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Post by: TrekMD on February 21, 2014, 13:23:00 PM
That looks fantastic!
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Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 14:31:53 PM
That does look pretty damn good but i think the helicopter scenes would make me sick lol.
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Post by: TrekMD on February 21, 2014, 14:33:46 PM
Quote from: "zapiy"That does look pretty damn good but i think the helicopter scenes would make me sick lol.

Too realistic for you?  ;)
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Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 18:30:19 PM
Lol if a real helicopter does that its usually about to crash.. :21:

So i have been doing some research on this subject and a game called Panorama Cotton which was a Jap only release appears to be a game that really pushed the system to its limits.

Anyone familiar with this game?

Panorama Cotton Gameplay (Sega Genesis/MD) (//http)
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Post by: TL on February 21, 2014, 18:36:57 PM
It's an incredibly impressive Space Harrier clone but also an incredibly expensive one, a very rare game that demands a lot of money sadly!
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Post by: TrekMD on February 21, 2014, 18:41:48 PM
Wow, I really like the look of that.  The music is also pretty cool. 
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Post by: Bobinator on February 22, 2014, 00:18:23 AM
I'd personally pick The Adventures of Batman & Robin. That game pulls off so much cool stuff I wouldn't know where to start. It'd probably be easier if I just link a few videos and just let them explain themselves.

Batman and Robin (Genesis) Boss 9 Mad Hatter (No Damage) (//http)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q97iR1k3Ryc#t=294 (//http)

If you can't see the effect here, skip to 4:54.

Then you've also got stuff like fog effects, a hint of scaling and rotation, 3D objects done sort of Vectorman's method,
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Post by: zapiy on February 22, 2014, 00:21:25 AM
Awesome choice actually fella.. Not ones i would have considered but definately worth the mention.
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Post by: TL on February 22, 2014, 00:29:23 AM
That was actually going to be the next game I mentioned myself!
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Post by: sloan on February 22, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
Before you laugh, Dick Vitale's Awesome Baby College Hoops proved that MD could in fact do mode 7 effects just like SNES.

Dick Vitale's Awesome Baby! College Hoops (//http)
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Post by: TL on February 22, 2014, 01:34:12 AM
Bloody hell!  :69:
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Post by: sloan on February 22, 2014, 15:02:27 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"Bloody hell!  :69:

I happened upon it by accident, finding it at a thrift one day. Not a huge sports game fan, but I cleaned it and tested it like I always do and was shocked to see mode 7 effects in a Genesis game. It reminds me highly of NCAA Basketball on SNES but runs faster than that game.
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Post by: TL on February 22, 2014, 15:09:52 PM
Quote from: "sloan"
Quote from: "The Laird"Bloody hell!  :69:

I happened upon it by accident, finding it at a thrift one day. Not a huge sports game fan, but I cleaned it and tested it like I always do and was shocked to see mode 7 effects in a Genesis game. It reminds me highly of NCAA Basketball on SNES but runs faster than that game.

There are quite a few games with "Mode 7" effects on the Mega Drive, I already posted Red Zone in this thread.

Another highly impressive game is Mickey Mania (skip to 1:25):

[align=center:15qegu5v]Mickey Mania On SEGA Mega Drive (Genesis) Part 3 (//http)[/align:15qegu5v]
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Post by: sloan on February 22, 2014, 15:17:29 PM
Technically impressive, but is that really mode 7?

I associate mode 7 with rotation and scaling as well as zooming into the screen. Think F-Zero. That is why, although Batman and Robin is impressive, I don't associate those effects with mode 7.
Title: Re: Most Technically Advanced Sega Megadrive/Genesis Games?
Post by: TL on February 22, 2014, 15:21:18 PM
Quote from: "sloan"Technically impressive, but is that really mode 7?

I associate mode 7 with rotation and scaling as well as zooming into the screen. Think F-Zero. That is why, although Batman and Robin is impressive, I don't associate those effects with mode 7.

No, I didn't mean it was mode 7, I said it was another technically impressive game :3:
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Post by: sloan on February 22, 2014, 15:24:10 PM
Oops, just reread your post. My mistake.
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Post by: TL on February 23, 2014, 13:27:06 PM
Another game worth mentioning if you want to see some awesome scaling effects is the highly under rated shooter Granada, this game is a real favourite of mine:

[align=center:2yav80eb]Mega Drive Longplay [253] Granada (//http)[/align:2yav80eb]
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Post by: zapiy on February 23, 2014, 13:55:42 PM
That Basketball game is awesome.. Nice one, and agreed Laird that Granada game is pretty damn good.

How about Virtua Racing?

Virtua Racing PAL Megadrive (Game Complete) (//http)

Maybe a predictable addition but still a worthy mention for this thread. It was one of the few fully 3D games of the 16-bit era and included the Sega Virtua Processor inside the cart.
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Post by: TL on February 25, 2014, 19:22:16 PM
Yeah I agree with this one, even though Virtua Racing uses the SVP chip it's still incredibly impressive just how close they got it to the arcade game.

It's a real shame Sega never made more SVP games as this game showed real potential over what could be done. Mind you I remember it costing about £70 back in the day so the cost probably had a lot to do with it!
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Post by: onthinice on February 26, 2014, 15:47:41 PM
Impressive titles with great gameplay. Now even more reasons to enjoy the system.
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Post by: TL on March 02, 2014, 12:02:10 PM
[align=center:7gh4yz5e]Nobody posted this yet, the incredibly impressive MD version of Street Racer:

Mega Drive Longplay [178] Street Racer (//http)[/align:7gh4yz5e]
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Post by: zapiy on March 06, 2014, 23:24:34 PM
Yeah thats a very good version fella..
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Post by: onthinice on March 07, 2014, 01:54:05 AM
Never played it. Hard to believe that is a 16-bit Sega racing game. :13:
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Post by: TL on March 11, 2014, 19:38:39 PM
Quote from: "onthinice"Never played it. Hard to believe that is a 16-bit Sega racing game. :13:

It's a great game, I own the Saturn version though which is even better.
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Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on March 11, 2014, 20:19:08 PM
Can i put something a little different?

The micro-machine games always impressed me with the extra ports, and to this day is the only time Ive played a 8 players at once racing game with only 4 pads and no multi-tap!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Mega_drive_j-cart.jpg)
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1254732503-00.jpg)
(http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1237479526-00.jpg)
Title: Re: Most Technically Advanced Sega Megadrive/Genesis Games?
Post by: TL on March 11, 2014, 20:22:00 PM
That's a nice choice for a different reason!
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Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on March 11, 2014, 20:35:10 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"That's a nice choice for a different reason!

Aye, all very late in Megadrives life - think I was playing this in between sessions on my new Playstation lol
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Post by: TrekMD on March 11, 2014, 22:20:48 PM
Oh wow, that looks awesome!  I didn't realize those carts had extra ports for controllers!  Very nice!  Which one of those three games is the best?
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Post by: TL on March 20, 2014, 20:55:20 PM
[align=center:mpemajo0]This definitely needs a mention, I still can't quite believe that this game actually exists!

Mega Drive Longplay [219] Duke Nukem 3D (//http)[/align:mpemajo0]
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Post by: guest5158 on April 29, 2014, 15:25:01 PM
For me, I think the Sonic bonus / special stages are great examples of the 3D rendering on the MegaDrive / Genesis
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Post by: guest5199 on May 10, 2014, 18:59:58 PM
I think the future game "Antarex" by 1985 Alternativo, goes to show, as can reach the console to the limits in several facets:

Go to 5mins, 04 seconds:
http://youtu.be/g9tVrtriprQ?t=5m4s (//http)

http://youtu.be/Yd1UD7QwcU8 (//http)

http://youtu.be/YYrD7yWeXcI (//http)
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Post by: TrekMD on May 10, 2014, 19:12:06 PM
That does look impressive.  Any idea of when that is going to be released?
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Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on May 11, 2014, 00:05:10 AM
Quote from: "TrekMD"Oh wow, that looks awesome!  I didn't realize those carts had extra ports for controllers!  Very nice!  Which one of those three games is the best?

Yo.

Little late perhaps but I think '96 was the one we played the most.
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Post by: TrekMD on May 11, 2014, 00:46:41 AM
Quote from: "WiggyDiggyPoo"
Quote from: "TrekMD"Oh wow, that looks awesome!  I didn't realize those carts had extra ports for controllers!  Very nice!  Which one of those three games is the best?

Yo.

Little late perhaps but I think '96 was the one we played the most.

Better late than never.  ;)  Thanks!
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Post by: TL on May 11, 2014, 11:40:46 AM
Can't wait for Antarex, it looks amazing.
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Post by: zapiy on May 11, 2014, 17:56:58 PM
That does look fantastic.
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Post by: TL on May 12, 2014, 20:12:26 PM
I just thought of another game I want to mention, the excellent OutRun 2019.

Not only is this game unbelievably fast with some really impressive scaling techniques but it also has a really superb sound track too. It might not be a proper entry into the OutRun series but it's a very good game in it's own right and cheap to pick up too!

[align=center:22t79ngl]Mega Drive Longplay [150] Outrun 2019 (//http)[/align:22t79ngl]
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Post by: TrekMD on May 12, 2014, 20:43:03 PM
That looks cool and the music is great!
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Post by: Ben on May 12, 2014, 23:21:25 PM
I would have to go with Gunstar Heroes, that game could have looked at home running on an AES.  The detail of the sprites with little to no slowdown and the scaling are still impressive.
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Post by: TL on June 11, 2014, 16:38:37 PM
Quote from: "Ben"I would have to go with Gunstar Heroes, that game could have looked at home running on an AES.  The detail of the sprites with little to no slowdown and the scaling are still impressive.

Treasure were experts at pushing the hardware, Alien Soldier is an impressive game too!

[align=center:2q6eixrw]Mega Drive Longplay [050] Alien Soldier (//http)[/align:2q6eixrw]
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Post by: TrekMD on June 11, 2014, 21:06:58 PM
Wow, that game looks amazing!  I can see it is not an easy one to find in the US. 
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Post by: TL on June 11, 2014, 21:13:22 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"Wow, that game looks amazing!  I can see it is not an easy one to find in the US.

Or here, it was one of the last games released for the MD.
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Post by: TrekMD on June 11, 2014, 21:19:33 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "TrekMD"Wow, that game looks amazing!  I can see it is not an easy one to find in the US.

Or here, it was one of the last games released for the MD.

I don't think it was released in the US ever.  It only appears as an MD game.  The only way to get one for the Genesis is to have a modified reproduction made that works on NTSC systems.
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Post by: TL on June 11, 2014, 21:21:16 PM
I think you are right actually, only Jap and PAL.
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Post by: TrekMD on June 11, 2014, 21:29:06 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"I think you are right actually, only Jap and PAL.
Yep, that's all I find. 
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Post by: davyk on June 18, 2014, 22:22:02 PM
Gunstar Heroes for me too. Amazing technical job - and a great game too.

Vectorman is lovely too. Really solid feel to the controls which I like.
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Post by: TL on June 19, 2014, 20:30:12 PM
Another game worth a mention is Mazin Wars, not only does it use some tricks to get extra colours on screen but the boss battles are epic with their huge sprites and zoomed in fights.

[align=center:1y4ubpzl]Sega Genesis - Mazin Saga: Mutant Fighter (//http)[/align:1y4ubpzl]
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Post by: TrekMD on June 19, 2014, 20:34:37 PM
I've seen mixed reviews for that game.  Do you have it?
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Post by: TL on June 19, 2014, 20:37:06 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"I've seen mixed reviews for that game.  Do you have it?

Yes, I do and it's excellent. I must write a review of it actually at some point, can't quite believe I haven't!
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Post by: TrekMD on June 19, 2014, 20:40:00 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "TrekMD"I've seen mixed reviews for that game.  Do you have it?

Yes, I do and it's excellent. I must write a review of it actually at some point, can't quite believe I haven't!

Ah, cool.  This is based on the Mazinger stuff that I like so much. 
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Post by: TL on June 19, 2014, 20:45:49 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "TrekMD"I've seen mixed reviews for that game.  Do you have it?

Yes, I do and it's excellent. I must write a review of it actually at some point, can't quite believe I haven't!

Ah, cool.  This is based on the Mazinger stuff that I like so much.

Yep, I was quite surprised you didn't already own it!
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Post by: TrekMD on June 19, 2014, 20:49:03 PM
I was going to until I read and saw some negative reviews on it.Â