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Title: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Greyfox on August 30, 2013, 19:14:35 PM
Hello everyone,

I / We were meaning to do this a while ago, but only getting around to this now, we'd love to hear any feedback from our members here who bought Homebrew Heroes collectors magazine or friends who got it, what they thought of it?, what you thought of it, was it unqiue from what's out there? , would you like to see another one created ?, did you like the layouts?, did you like the reviews? Which article stood out the most to you? You get the idea ;)
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrekMD on August 30, 2013, 22:51:54 PM
There's some feedback that has been posted on G+ or other forums:

- Got my copy a week ago. Good read :-)?

- It's very nicely put together -- it's a real shame this isn't coming to print. I'd love an actual magazine. ;) I liked the different background schemes on each article - it felt just like going back to the heydays of 16-bit gaming and reading the big mags.

I disagreed with some of the top tens, but that's a normal result of publishing a top ten list, so I won't go into that. I would comment that some of the commercial games that were "finished" felt to me like they didn't belong on a homebrew top ten list. ;) And the art gallery was very cool to see (although several of them looked to be just dithered pics from the web - but you can't vet every artist every time! ;) )
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Greyfox on August 31, 2013, 02:02:21 AM
Nice to hear some love for my Demoscene article, he's or she is a person after the same heart, nice little write too, thanx for sharing that with us.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrekMD on August 31, 2013, 02:57:15 AM
Quote from: "Greyfox"
...thanx for sharing that with us.

You're welcome!  :) 
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrapZZ on August 31, 2013, 17:32:17 PM
This is the first I've heard about your publication, I'd love to check it out - can you shoot me a link?
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrapZZ on August 31, 2013, 17:33:13 PM
...and I'm an idiot, I just noticed it as a sticky on the Forums - I guess I missed it because I usually just look at New Posts.   I'll go there.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrekMD on August 31, 2013, 17:34:23 PM
I just sent you the link by PM but you've already found it.  :)
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Alberto 2K on August 31, 2013, 22:46:11 PM
I think is a cool magazine, it has lots of info about systems I don't have much idea and makes me want to buy a lot of them. :113:
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Greyfox on September 11, 2013, 13:34:51 PM
Thanks very much Alberto 2K for your feedback and honest review of the magazine.

anyone else had a chance to read it, maybe share your thoughts on it here, we really do appreciate any feedback that will allow us to evolve with any future issues planned

again thanks to all who have read it and taken the time to share with us here.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Shadowrunner on September 11, 2013, 14:57:52 PM
I thought I had said something but maybe that was in a different thread.
Anyway, I really enjoyed this. Well written and very professional looking. Also discovered some games I'd never heard of before so that was cool. The only possible complaint I could have is no print copy, but I understand that's not an easy thing to do.
Overall great job to everyone involved  :)
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 14, 2013, 16:30:34 PM
With huge thanks to Greyfox+Laird for making my JPEG version happen, thought i'd start to leave inital feedback.

Now as they both know, design wise i was'nt biggest fan of the cover, little too 'busy' for my personal tastes and bearing in mind i'm reading pages in totally random order, 1st feature i hit on was the 2600 homebrew games, which whilst i loved the information on, dif find a little hard on the eyes as the brown, woodgrain backdrop was'nt ideal for text and personally felt too many games fighting for space.

However, from there on in, my jaw has been pretty much on the floor and staying there...


Crisp, vibrant page design, loving the gorgeous look to the console tech spec features (seen DC, Intellivision, Colecovision etc so far).They really stand out from various mainstream publications i still purchase and give the magazine a true sense of identity.


The articles themselves, well knew i was going to love the Atari+DC homebrew stuff and was not dissapointed (kudos to Laird for pointing out just why the 7800 did'nt have it's Pokey chip onboard-there was'nt room once the 2600 chips were onboard) and with the DC, the 7800, the XE and 2600 articles, you can just tell the pieces were written by gamers passionaite about the hardware and gaming in general and they really knew their stuff.Very refreshing, as folks will know, judging by my past rants on here, i loathe poorly researched/written articles in professional publications.


Will post more as i dive deeper in, but so far? my outmost respect goes out to ALL those involved, you've delivered something to be very proud of.

Oh and loved interviews with Superfighter teametc.

Also, Grey pulled off a minor wonder, for someone like myself who's not a fan of busy images, he had me loving the 20 years of Psytronik Software ad.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TL on September 14, 2013, 16:48:56 PM
The adverts were done by the individual companies not us so I will pass that onto Kenz when I see him next week.

Really glad you liked it so far  :113:
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 14, 2013, 17:06:06 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
The adverts were done by the individual companies not us so I will pass that onto Kenz when I see him next week.

Really glad you liked it so far  :113:

I call a spade a spade as you guys well know, but this is the 1st publication in so many years, i'm just loving to read, i mean i just knew the Atari stuff was in safe hands as i've very much enjoyed your works for RG, but the DC homebrew was superb, loved the Coleco feature, the Vectrex feature etc,

Came to the Extreme Home Computing, thought, ok, will give it a shot, not my thing...next thing i know, finished entire piece and loved it.

For me as well as the visual I.D the magazine seems to have and the well written articles, it's the way in which it's all put together, the interviews mixed in with the features add so much, i've learnt stuff on subjects i was previousily pretty sure i knew my stuff on (7800, never even heard of Lynx Yastuna games) and it's just so refreshing to read a magazine and not be rolling my eyes thinking:that was'nt how events turned out...or writer clearly does'nt have a scooby what they are writing on...

Yes, there are a few busy images i'd tidy up, but then i move onto the Lynx or Jaguar tech spec pages and ahhh clinical greatness.

I've wanted a magazine like this for sooo many years, not something thing looks and reads like it's rivials or has content geared towards pleasing advertisers, but by people who poured heart and soul into it, are willing to listen to grumbly old farts like myself.

it's basically sent a very clear mesage out that there is still a place for publications like this, yes a physical copy would have been fantastic, but i'd shudder at printing costs for such a content heavy publication.

I'm struggling to find things to moan about to be honest :-).


At a time i'm cancelling magazine subs one by one, Homebrew Heroes has been a massive shot in the arm and i feel desrves to do well.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrekMD on September 14, 2013, 17:18:45 PM
Thanks for the feedback, RT!  Glad you like the magazine.  It's unfortunate that sales have stagnated because it really is a well written volume.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 14, 2013, 17:45:50 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Thanks for the feedback, RT!  Glad you like the magazine.  It's unfortunate that sales have stagnated because it really is a well written volume.

Honestly, if i thought it were awful (and indeed if i find anything i don't like, i'll be open with you guys and tell you), i'd happily say so, but fact is, it's delivered way above expectations.

I'm really struggling to get my head around just why such a superb production just has'nt taken off, sales wise.

I've grown so used to skimming through magazines that fell through the letter box, looking for an article of interest, finding the same tired old content,, served up in same tired old format, same old P.R releases dressed up as content etc etc, to use a cliche, so far H.H has honestly been: All killer and no filler!!!.

It's amazed and delighted, where as just skimming through another Retro publication whilst on the loo, i was amazed for all the wrong reasons-Red Dead Redemption get's 2 pages in a Retro magazine? absurd!, so you guys should be bloody proud of what you've put in.

Please don't feel poorer than expected sales reflects on quality of publication-there's no accounting for buying public, but for those of us who have bought magazine, you've done great.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Greyfox on September 14, 2013, 19:25:23 PM
Firstly I don't know what to say, I'm stuck for words  :), so if some of you haven't got this yet..what are you waiting for? Seriously ? You still here..? Someone call security ?

Thanks for the great review sir :)
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 14, 2013, 20:38:11 PM
Sorry for multiple post's but i feel i need to say a few things, partly about why H.H has really hit the spot and i guess partly why i've been so vocal so often about various magazines during my time on here:

As Laird will no doubt testify, when it comes to magazines, i've worn my geek hat with pride, since i started gaming on the ZX81 i've bought so many publications and in their hey day, magazines really were fantastic, not perfect, sure, but something that by god i honestly looked forward to buying each and every month.

The likes of Zzap 64, The One, The Games Machine, Zero,ACE, Arcade, C+VG at it's peak, Mean Machines etc all proved to be essential reads, but slowly fell by the wayside.In their place appeared official magazines or format specific things written for the ladz market...something was lost.

Edge for example was worth buying as it did fantastic features and makings of...you (well i did) learned to ignore the up own backside reviews, but now it's a pale shadow of even it's former self, only the occ.glimmer of what once made it great.Gamestm decided to be Edge:lite etc etc....

As a gamer, last 10 years or so, i've never had it so good, but in terms of publications, never had it seemed so barren.Magazines were being read later (would sit unopened for weeks) and cast aside within 30 mins as i'd read the few sections i wanted, everything seemed so...corporate, so must'nt upset the advertisers...articles cobbled together and i ended up correcting articles in my own head, as i knew what was in print was incorrect.

I've basically been looking for so long for a publication that's put together by people who do it for the love of the subject material, who are basically saying:you thought you'd seen all system X had to offer? well have a look at THIS!!!.I wanted to see balance in articles, eye catching art that made me think wow, that looks bloody great, not..here's few generic screens thrown on a page, we had a deadline to meet.

I know H.H did'nt suffer the same pressures of going from design to poblication in under 4 weeks, mainstream mags do, nor did it have the upper management team looking at regional sales curves etc etc, so probably had the far greater luxury of time to plan compared to them, but i did'nt need to think, hmmn, wonder how long this took to put together...


Things just worked, because it was clear from the visual layout and bodies of text, just how much thought, care and attention had gone into 99.9% of the articles.In hindsight sure you could improve on things i've whined about be it the busy cover or poor background on an article etc, but that'd take away from what you have achived here.

I've come away feeling delighted to have read through a magazine, yes R.T is delighted, not mocking, pissing, moaning, pointing out how it's clear magazine written by X aimed at market Y, but delighted to see the Lynx+Jaguar hardware being praised by people still coding on it, delighted to see images jumping out, delighted to bloody learn new stuff on very familar formats to him....

It reads like the best of what RVG does for myself:Passion, skills, knowledge, drive, the best interviews etc etc and i got my copy at a time when i'm in process of removing myself from various things i've been involved in, 1 way or another and it's proof that things can be different, it does'nt have to be every thing cast from same mould.


But saddened that sales have been slow as it reduces chances of a Vol 2.Print material is fighting for it's very life out there, of that there's no dispute, i'm a caveman when it comes to my print media, but if digital only is only way an issue 2 would ever appear, i'd sign up in an instant.

I'm not going to defend past rants at other publications, i've always spoken my mind based on factual evidence found in front of me from publications i've paid for, when they got things right, i'd praise them, when they went south, i'd be just as vocal.I approached H.H with the very same mindset, if it tripped up, i'd have ponced and said come on guys, this was poor, so far...it's delivered more than i hoped for and so deserves to be praised for for doing what i've expected of other publications from various publishers for many a year.


As a customer, at end of the day it's quite simple, i'll be deciding who deserves my time and money based on what it delivers for me, the reader, not buy out of habbit- but to be clear, i'm not expecting a custom made for R.T magazine and H.H managed to get me reading something i've no interest in (the extreme home computing piece) and coming away impressed and we call know how damn hard i am to please.

You got the design right, the content right and by god the balance right-When i read a game or hardware review i knew if i'd like it, what it did well and where it fell short.

Is'nt that what magazines are meant to do?.
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TL on September 14, 2013, 21:07:04 PM
When I came up with the idea for Homebrew Heroes I had a very focused plan in my head of what I wanted it to be, what it would look like and what it would do.

Darren helped me bring that vision to life with his graphic skills and Carl, Antony, Eugenio, Tom and Ed helped me fill it to the brim with interesting content. I must have proof read and edited some of those articles 5 or 6 times to make sure they were just right and then Eugenio read them and added edits a few times himself just to make sure!

Ask Darren, Carl, Ed or any of the other people behind this - I really busted their balls at times but they all knew why. This was my baby and it had to be perfect. I didn't want any typos, any bad grammar, any images that were wrong or any factual errors. You are right in that we had the luxury of a long lead time, but I did still set deadlines and everyone was great working to them.

We did actually end up cutting a bit of content. Originally we thought about having homebrew computer games too but it soon became clear that just wouldn't be feasible, there just wasn't the space or resources to cover everything so I choose to go with console homebrew as that never seems to get the coverage it deserves (RG's homebrew section is always VERY computer dominated). Then we just found some computer stuff that had never been covered before to restore the balance, Carl's excellent DIY computing articles and Darren's lovely demo scene and art gallery spreads. I also wanted to cover the PS1 and Philips Videopac/Odyssey 2 but we just ran out of time on those and wanted to get the mag out.

I hope that gives you a bit of an interesting insight into the development of Homebrew Heroes  :1:
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TL on January 02, 2014, 15:01:10 PM
I thought I would share a bit of feedback with you all:

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Hi Kieren,

Thanks for the extras! I've download the mag yesterday. I love it. It's really good. Hope there will be a next issue in the near future.

Thanks a lot and kind regards,

Torben

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The magazine is excellent!

Happy new year !

Rod

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Thanks very much to everyone involved in this, it looks amazing by the way!!

Craig

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Hi Kieren,

Wow! This magazine is amazing. Thanks!

Best regards,

Joe

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Thank you very much! This is brilliant! Looking forward to reading the rest of it this evening.

Have a nice weekend,

Bjrn

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I love your magazine, do you know the German RETURN Magazine? It is very similar to your magazine, except that it is printed.

https://www.return-magazin.de/ (http://https)

Regards

Gunnar
Title: Re: Homebrew Heroes feedback thread
Post by: TrekMD on January 02, 2014, 15:09:01 PM
Glad to see that people like HH!  :)