Retro Video Gamer

Well i am rather please to say i was and i still am an Amiga 500 owner.

Must have a fair few games, (may have to count one day).

Loved SWOS, Gods, R-Type, Strider, Speedball and many other.

Remeber the click and clunk noise when putting in a disk.

Great memories.

I came to the Amiga party fairly late on - I bought an Amiga 1200 in 1992. Coming from the C64 it was only natural that 2 games I took to straight away were the two Turrican games. I later got hold of Turrican 3 which of course was a Megadrive conversion. It didn't go down that well with the reviewers IIRC who thought the less sprawling levels of Turrican 3 were a bit restrictive. Personally I didn't mind, I enjoyed all 3 in different ways.

I enjoyed the Sid Meier games in particular - Railroad Tycoon and Civilization I'd already played on the ST and the PC respectively. But the game that ate up more of my time than any was Colonization. There was a lot more thought put into adapting the game for the Amiga's UI than had been the case with Sid's earlier games, which still clearly betrayed their MS-DOS origins, visually.

Yes..I joined the ranks of the Amiga back in 1991, when just after selling my Atari ST (holds head in shame  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoJBerFDsA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoJBerFDsA)

I have an Amiga 600 in my loft, sadly no games left but in time i aim to change that. Shadow of the Beast, Flashback, Another World are all the games i would need to be happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuo2lkfdA9M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuo2lkfdA9M)

A little vid i made.

Great video! Nice selection of games that really show off the system.

Cheers again, like the last vids I made. It's more a most played top 10 than a overall top 10.

My brother was the Amiga owner in our house, and had an A500, then A1200. I used to muscle in on some games such as SWIV and Zool.

I recently found my Amiga purchases in my garage in a stack box, somehow I have ended up with 3 of them and can't find a power supply anywhere Doh!

The Amiga is probably my favourite retro computer of all time.  I got mine back in 1990.  It was 'The Flights of Fantasy' pack. 

There are so many great games for it : Monkey Island, Civilization, First Samurai, Rainbow Islands, Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge, Jaguar XJ220, etc.  I could go on for a very long time.

I did a few serial link multiplayer link up games as well.  Knights of the Sky and Populous II were great with that feature. 

I did also use it for some serious work.  I did have AMOS for it, but only did a few simple things in that.  I loved using Deluxe Paint as well(a massive shame that EA didn't continue that for the PC, in my opinion).  I played around with NoiseTracker and OctaMED as well.  I also used Text Engine for word processing. 

So many happy memories of that machine.  It was so far ahead of its time. 

Review of the A600 from The One magazine:

(http://i.imgur.com/Gpfk8Pn.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/SFbsOBE.jpg)

I never had an Amiga, myself, but I have to admit that there's a ton of exclusives on the thing that are worth trying out. It's mostly the platformers that I'm into, but there's a few pretty good SHMUPs on there, too, like Banshee. I still keep wanting to get one of those really, really powerful Amigas that can play Quake, just for the novelty value.

Amiga Longplay [112] Ruff 'n' Tumble (//http)

For the record, this would have to be my favorite game on the system. It just feels so... authentically console like.

Wow, that game looks great! I also need to get one Amiga sooner or later, after my bad experience with the CD32 seller I almost gave up...

With a 1200 and CF card adaptor I would be happy!

Well....call me strange but I see nothing in those games that could not be done on a Genny or an ST
for that matter.

Quote from: "Gorf"Well....call me strange but I see nothing in those games that could not be done on a Genny or an ST
for that matter.

Well, if we're talking games that weren't on the Genesis/Megadrive, of which there were plenty, there you go. It's all about the exclusives. You have a game that you can't play on anything else, there's your edge when you compare these sorts of things.

Quote from: "Bobinator"Well, if we're talking games that weren't on the Genesis/Megadrive, of which there were plenty, there you go. It's all about the exclusives. You have a game that you can't play on anything else, there's your edge when you compare these sorts of things.

One could say that about any given system though. I'm talking strictly from a technical standpoint.
I see nothing in any of these videos that are better than a Genny or an ST.

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Quote from: "Bobinator"Well, if we're talking games that weren't on the Genesis/Megadrive, of which there were plenty, there you go. It's all about the exclusives. You have a game that you can't play on anything else, there's your edge when you compare these sorts of things.

One could say that about any given system though. I'm talking strictly from a technical standpoint.
I see nothing in any of these videos that are better than a Genny or an ST.

A lot of games weren't better than the Genny versions, the fact was the Amiga generated alot of these games that were on the platform first, sure their not exclusives a year or two later but the Amiga was well known for having original and exclusive games first, the fact alot of games were ported to several platforms shows how well received the games were at the time.
I did post a thread detailing games that hit the Amiga first and others that were still exclusive all these years later.
And believe me there's no way a ST could run Ruff N Tumble...even a STE would struggle. It's still amazing to think its running on an A500.

Ruff 'n' Tumble does indeed look nice for an Amiga game. Nothing particularly innovative (from what I observed in the brief time I viewed that video) and seemingly a mash-up of the likes of Turrican, Sonic The Hedgehog, Ghosts 'n Goblins, etc. I'd definitely have bought the game were I to have owned an Amiga back in the day.

Some scans from The One:

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/Amiga_zps8d6c3204.jpeg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/TheOne69000025rrr_zps0a5ba1ef.jpg)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/TheOne69000026rrr_zps25aa383c.jpg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/TheOne69000027rrr_zps1fe4ce9e.jpg)

Haha! I remember the one always took the piss! Great mag!

Anyone used or seen this site before.

Preconfigured Amiga games stored in a single EXE file.
http://thecompany.pl/game (//http)

Yes, I never actually ran any of the games, but a great job that fella does taking the time to do that, its a great little site for anyone needing to get into it quickly.

Quote from: "zapiy"Anyone used or seen this site before.

Preconfigured Amiga games stored in a single EXE file.
http://thecompany.pl/game (//http)

Yeah, sure someone posted a link on here before, haven't used them though, because unlike dosbox its easier to prefigure a virtualhd and run games that way, thanks though.

I want to get better with Amiga stuff now so i might be posting on here asking for help lol..

Well I'm fairly adept with the Amiga emulation stuff, if you need help.

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Bobinator"Well, if we're talking games that weren't on the Genesis/Megadrive, of which there were plenty, there you go. It's all about the exclusives. You have a game that you can't play on anything else, there's your edge when you compare these sorts of things.

One could say that about any given system though. I'm talking strictly from a technical standpoint.
I see nothing in any of these videos that are better than a Genny or an ST.

Who does that though? I mean who looks at games and says well my machine could do that game so I don't need to play on that machine. Its irrelevant if the machine can do it, as always its about the games you can and can't play, and the Amiga has many many exclusives that you can't play on the Genny or ST even if they may be capable of playing them.

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Bobinator"Well, if we're talking games that weren't on the Genesis/Megadrive, of which there were plenty, there you go. It's all about the exclusives. You have a game that you can't play on anything else, there's your edge when you compare these sorts of things.

One could say that about any given system though. I'm talking strictly from a technical standpoint.
I see nothing in any of these videos that are better than a Genny or an ST.

Who does that though? I mean who looks at games and says well my machine could do that game so I don't need to play on that machine. Its irrelevant if the machine can do it, as always its about the games you can and can't play, and the Amiga has many many exclusives that you can't play on the Genny or ST even if they may be capable of playing them.

I do and so do many of us programmer types...clearly you are correct in that the layman wont necessarily care but I'm simply looking at this from a tech point of view.


The other point I am making is that the Genny was half the price of the 600 at the time and I see no reason why a few exclusive games would bring down the house of cards for the Genny.

It worked both ways imo, theres games on both formats that could and couldnt be done on each format, but its easy to look back and say oh the megadrive and snes had most of the best Amiga games, yes that may be true now, but the fact was they were on the Amiga first and then converted a year or so later, the big draw for me about the Amiga was the original and exclusive games it did have, if none got converted the exclusive list would be massive.
And the megadrive was half the price sure, but the amiga was a computer it could do a heck of alot more for your money. (And the games were half the price)

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Bobinator"Well, if we're talking games that weren't on the Genesis/Megadrive, of which there were plenty, there you go. It's all about the exclusives. You have a game that you can't play on anything else, there's your edge when you compare these sorts of things.

One could say that about any given system though. I'm talking strictly from a technical standpoint.
I see nothing in any of these videos that are better than a Genny or an ST.

Who does that though? I mean who looks at games and says well my machine could do that game so I don't need to play on that machine. Its irrelevant if the machine can do it, as always its about the games you can and can't play, and the Amiga has many many exclusives that you can't play on the Genny or ST even if they may be capable of playing them.

I do and so do many of us programmer types...clearly you are correct in that the layman wont necessarily care but I'm simply looking at this from a tech point of view.


The other point I am making is that the Genny was half the price of the 600 at the time and I see no reason why a few exclusive games would bring down the house of cards for the Genny.

Who is talking about bringing the house of cards down. My point was that depending on what type of games you wanted there was plenty of reasons for choosing one or the other.

you just could not get Championship manager on other formats at the time. You have to understand how big a deal that was at the time for some people . whether other machines could do the game or not did not matter as you really needed an amiga to play it.

I loved the consoles and much preffered the Megadrive and Snes over the Amiga, but the fact was I had to go and get an Amiga simply because A } the consoles could not handle some of the amiga games, and B } A lot of big hitters on the Amiga just were not available on the consoles.

I fully understand your viewpoint but it does not change the fact that a computer for many times more money
was matched or even outclassed by a console.....which is all I am saying for a computer with the supposed capabilities of the Amiga, I hardly see the justification for the cost of the machine that if I remember correctly did not even come with a hard drive. Yes it had games no one else had but so did the Genny and the ST.

Quote from: "Gorf"I fully understand your viewpoint but it does not change the fact that a computer for many times more money
was matched or even outclassed by a console.....which is all I am saying for a computer with the supposed capabilities of the Amiga, I hardly see the justification for the cost of the machine that if I remember correctly did not even come with a hard drive. Yes it had games no one else had but so did the Genny and the ST.

A computer will always cost more than a console as its used for alot more than just playing games, i used mine for art, music, dtp, video titling etc

And if you weren't around in the UK when they were around you would have missed the point that the Amiga and ST had most of the multiformat games first, as i said above, the console versions had to wait 6 months - 2 years sometimes to get ports of the top games which is something people neglect to see looking back, even then the ports are painfully awful in comparison i.e lotus 2, chaos engine etc
And of course the Amiga/ST spec was made in 1985 The MD in 1988 of course its gonna be stronger in some aspects, the snes another 2 years later (or 1992 in EU) plus consoles weren't capable of every amiga/st games,  i dont see many polygon games on the MD or Snes because they aren't very good at doing them.
Soundwise the Amiga pisses all over the MD in term of multichannel sound and sample support, the snes is alot better but again is 5 years newer so you should expect so!
A few models came with a hard drive, but the price increase of even 32mb hdd were silly for a budget computer, sure you could pay £1000 for a pc that played games via hdd, the amiga was down to £349 by xmas 1990 (the md was £189 not the 'many more times' less than twice infact) but the amiga was great for the simple fact you could just put a disk in and it would load, plug a joystick or mouse in and it would work...pcs were and still are a chore to use.
So yes there was plenty of reason to buy one, 5 million people agreed.

Quote from: "Gorf"I fully understand your viewpoint but it does not change the fact that a computer for many times more money
was matched or even outclassed by a console.....which is all I am saying for a computer with the supposed capabilities of the Amiga, I hardly see the justification for the cost of the machine that if I remember correctly did not even come with a hard drive. Yes it had games no one else had but so did the Genny and the ST.

Not to be rude or anything, but are you from the UK. Its just that the Amiga was capable of far more than just playing games and you seem unaware of just why it was seen as such a good buy. art packages, music packages.

I agree that overall consoles were better for certain types of arcade action style of games. but consoles just could not hope to even touch the amiga when we are talking about things like Monkey island, Championship manager and such. It was not just that it had games that consoles did not have, it had games that consoles at the time could not even hope to have, and they were a lot cheaper.

Lets not forget the amazing homebrew and shareware scene and the ease of piracy also really helped its success.

Rude? More like assuming you know something about me. I am WELL AWARE of what the Amiga is capable of.
If both just can get over your fanboyism for 5 minutes you would have seen I already said how I understand
fully what you are talking about. What I am saying is almost unrelated...because it it PURELY FROM A TECHNICAL
POINT OF VIEW!!!!! Did we get it this time? I should hope so. For what the Amiga was capable of, I hardly find it
worth all that extra money if playing games was the only interest. I did NOT need to be in the UK. There was more
than plenty of Commodore following here in the US.

Also, if it were possible to code for the consoles at the time, you would have seen just as much home brew and
probably more. With the number of Genny's and SNES vs the number of ST's and Amiga's, I hardly doubt you'd
see a lack of support from outside of the official Sega/Ninty chain of command if it were possible at the time( and
it was actually, just no one tended to bother much with it.)

I Also believe that the games would be pretty smoking as well. Of course you will have much more memory and
bigger space with an Amiga/ST but most of the time that could still be overcome with cartridges and the fact that
the Genny had a CD add on. The SNES would have suffered more since Ninty never bothered to release their
selling point CD add on.

I am perfectly fine with the facts and your reasons why you like the Amiga...I was an ST guy myself and no I
did not own a Genny either at the time. My posts have simply been about the technical merits of said systems.
We are talking 8 hardware sprites where the Genny had 64 and 80 sprites depending on the mode and the SNES
had 128 hardware sprites. Though the Blitter in the Amiga was good, it was not that good.

Clearly the consoles had their advantages as did the computers. Fact still remains is that the libraries of the
SNES and Genny are probably still larger regardless. Had Sega pulled an Atari(that Atari never actually pulled)
and released a computer keyboard add on, Im sure it could have competed well with the Amiga/ST lines given
the marketing power Sega had over both Commodore and Atari at the time.

Quote from: "Gorf"Rude? More like assuming you know something about me. I am WELL AWARE of what the Amiga is capable of.
If both just can get over your fanboyism for 5 minutes you would have seen I already said how I understand
fully what you are talking about. What I am saying is almost unrelated...because it it PURELY FROM A TECHNICAL
POINT OF VIEW!!!!! Did we get it this time? I should hope so. For what the Amiga was capable of, I hardly find it
worth all that extra money if playing games was the only interest. I did NOT need to be in the UK. There was more
than plenty of Commodore following here in the US.

Also, if it were possible to code for the consoles at the time, you would have seen just as much home brew and
probably more. With the number of Genny's and SNES vs the number of ST's and Amiga's, I hardly doubt you'd
see a lack of support from outside of the official Sega/Ninty chain of command if it were possible at the time( and
it was actually, just no one tended to bother much with it.)

I Also believe that the games would be pretty smoking as well. Of course you will have much more memory and
bigger space with an Amiga/ST but most of the time that could still be overcome with cartridges and the fact that
the Genny had a CD add on. The SNES would have suffered more since Ninty never bothered to release their
selling point CD add on.

I am perfectly fine with the facts and your reasons why you like the Amiga...I was an ST guy myself and no I
did not own a Genny either at the time. My posts have simply been about the technical merits of said systems.
We are talking 8 hardware sprites where the Genny had 64 and 80 sprites depending on the mode and the SNES
had 128 hardware sprites. Though the Blitter in the Amiga was good, it was not that good.

Clearly the consoles had their advantages as did the computers. Fact still remains is that the libraries of the
SNES and Genny are probably still larger regardless. Had Sega pulled an Atari(that Atari never actually pulled)
and released a computer keyboard add on, Im sure it could have competed well with the Amiga/ST lines given
the marketing power Sega had over both Commodore and Atari at the time.

Now whi is assuming, I am far from an Amiga fanboy I am a Huge Megadrive and Snes fan and given the choice would have either one of those. I am simply giving you a counter argument.

Again you use the could have argument. Could have is irrelevant.

Ps I think you may need to re-evaluate your ideas on which has the biggest library.

Who cares from a 'technical point of view'?! I dont, the snes cpu was pish compared to the 68000 but it didnt stop it having help with add on chips.
Yes i liked the Amiga the most, but the fact these days via emulation i just keep my favourite 200 games on all 3 platforms, so 'technically' you could say im not biased at all!
Ifs and buts are good in hindsight, in reality all 3 machines were great in some ways and to think the Amiga wasnt worth buying is shortsightedness or not educated enough, that is all.

Well I had all 4 an Atari ST for 4yrs, an Amiga for 5yrs, a Snes for 6yrs and a Megadrive for 3yrs and everyone of them had their strengths and weaknesses , but were all incredible machines, The Atari St excelling in Midi and audio production, the Amiga doing video gen-locking and video graphics, the console doing there thing.

I cut my teeth on the Atari ST with Neo-chrome, Degas Elite for the art stuff which is still amazing today and wished I still had my stuff from that time, I moved into music via Microdeal's Quartet to create sample instrument compositions and I won't even mention the compactors available for the ST at the time, boy I miss those days something terrible.

Then onto the Amiga which I truly believe was the next step, you had Deluxe Paint, Brilliance, Protracker which saw me create some 14 hrs of music lol I still have here today. Then you have ScalaMm400 the ultimate video titling software with touch screen support, simple away ahead of it times, so I put it to you, does it really matter what these machine technically could do, superior to the previous ones? The bottom line is and allot of people truly forget this, is that it doesn't matter what they could and couldn't do, it was about the magic of it all. PERIOD!

If It's technically is what your all after then this is the wrong thread IMO to be posting in, this thread is a celebration of what made the Amiga magic, there is also a Snes , Atari St and Megadrive thread elsewhere , or better still start a new one about technically limitations on these machines, but keep it clean and positive, no fanboy bullshit allowed, and also it might be a good idea to show some visual references to what make these machines superior to one another.

Anyways........Amiga Rulez!  Thank you and good night

Quote from: "Greyfox"Well I had all 4 an Atari ST for 4yrs, an Amiga for 5yrs, a Snes for 6yrs and a Megadrive for 3yrs and everyone of them had their strengths and weaknesses , but were all incredible machines, The Atari St excelling in Midi and audio production, the Amiga doing video gen-locking and video graphics, the console doing there thing.

I cut my teeth on the Atari ST with Neo-chrome, Degas Elite for the art stuff which is still amazing today and wished I still had my stuff from that time, I moved into music via Microdeal's Quartet to create sample instrument compositions and I won't even mention the compactors available for the ST at the time, boy I miss those days something terrible.

Then onto the Amiga which I truly believe was the next step, you had Deluxe Paint, Brilliance, Protracker which saw me create some 14 hrs of music lol I still have here today. Then you have ScalaMm400 the ultimate video titling software with touch screen support, simple away ahead of it times, so I put it to you, does it really matter what these machine technically could do, superior to the previous ones? The bottom line is and allot of people truly forget this, is that it doesn't matter what they could and couldn't do, it was about the magic of it all. PERIOD!

If It's technically is what your all after then this is the wrong thread IMO to be posting in, this thread is a celebration of what made the Amiga magic, there is also a Snes , Atari St and Megadrive thread elsewhere , or better still start a new one about technically limitations on these machines, but keep it clean and positive, no fanboy bullshit allowed, and also it might be a good idea to show some visual references to what make these machines superior to one another.

Anyways........Amiga Rulez!  Thank you and good night

This, every machine is great. No point in coming into a thread and say its pointless to buy an Amiga because technically another machine could do the same thing.

If technical abiltiy is all that matters then a Retro site is the wrong place to be, considering you can go and get a PS3 or 360 because technically that they are better than every machine mentioned.

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

Consoles are cheaper than computers, but computer games were cheaper than consoles back then, and that was a big advantage, paying £24.99 over £39.99.

Quote from: "Gorf"I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

I really don't know what kind of answer you are expecting then?, we have answered in terms of games the Amiga had more than a match for the consoles, the library was larger, in terms of specs as i said who cares what can shift more sprites when the games are good?
And of course we are gonna defend the Amiga its are favourite machine, go suggest the 7800 cant outdo the nes and see what Atarians come out to get you!
You have had your opinion, and we have answered to our best ability of actually fully understanding what you are trying to get across.
Anyway peace 

Quote from: "Gorf"I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

Actually, just by saying that " I have seen nothing on the Amiga other machines can't do " or " other machines are much more capable for half the price " and " I don't see the justification for the extra cost ".


All those comments do indeed imply that you do not think the Amiga was worth buying ahead of other machines. What did you expect. Of course people are going to respond and say just why they think the Amiga is worth buying.

You can't say things like that and expect people not to come up with counter arguments. You are inviting a debate with comments like those..

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"

Quote from: "Gorf"I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

Actually, just by saying that " I have seen nothing on the Amiga other machines can't do " or " other machines are much more capable for half the price " and " I don't see the justification for the extra cost ".


All those comments do indeed imply that you do not think the Amiga was worth buying ahead of other machines. What did you expect. Of course people are going to respond and say just why they think the Amiga is worth buying.

You can't say things like that and expect people not to come up with counter arguments. You are inviting a debate with comments like those..

No you invited yourself to a debate. I simply stated an opinion. That's just wonderful you feel your
Amiga purchase was worth it for the games. Just dandy in fact. But quite honestly to go on and on
about this is really anal.

Quote from: "AmigaJay"

Quote from: "Gorf"I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT ONE SHOULD NOT BUY AN AMIGA!
Lets not put words in my mouth and as far as topics go....there is nothing specific
on what should and should not be talked about concerning the Amiga. Seems
the topic NAZI's are in full force. God Forbid I inject an opinion on the Amiga
in a NON-SPECIFIC thread about the Amiga!
OY!
When two face palms just wont do!

I really don't know what kind of answer you are expecting then?, we have answered in terms of games the Amiga had more than a match for the consoles, the library was larger, in terms of specs as i said who cares what can shift more sprites when the games are good?
And of course we are gonna defend the Amiga its are favourite machine, go suggest the 7800 cant outdo the nes and see what Atarians come out to get you!
You have had your opinion, and we have answered to our best ability of actually fully understanding what you are trying to get across.
Anyway peace 

I never expected an answer at all quite frankly and if you gave one , then fine...but to drone on and on like this is beyond sane. I get it! You like the Amiga. No surprise. It was a decent machine but hardly cutting edge.

I never said the Amiga can or can't outdo anything. I said I see nothing of what I've seen on the machine
that makes it much better than any of the consoles at that time.

The only person droning on is yourself quite frankly, and you are correct, carry on this 'debate' with you is insane end of.

Quote from: "AmigaJay"The only person droning on is yourself quite frankly, and you are correct, carry on this 'debate' with you is insane end of.

Oh really? I make one comment and you two pile on me completely missing the point of it. No sir,
it is you two who just can't seem to tolerate a difference of opinion. If you did, you'd have dropped
it after the second time I simply re-iterated my point was one of a technical nature. Quite frankly,
I could'nt care less if you like playing games on a See And Say and I think I made that clear. Yet
despite all that you two have fanboy'ed me to tears with your droning. For two people who claim
they are not fanboys of the Amiga, you sure cold have fooled me, and anyone else paying attention.

Now it is definitely END OF! Welcome to my ignore file....the both of you.

I am slightly confused here. I am reading this as you all have an opinion and all made your own cases rather than anyone in particular being on top so to speak.  Best to agree to disagree and move on.

[align=center:nxe2pgiy]Do you have an hour to spare?

Commodore Amiga History (//http)[/align:nxe2pgiy]

yes..every time this is a great and very unique video, dam shame Atari didn't do any?

I have had the A1000 first, then A500 and finally a CDTV which was damaged after a year without reason.
The A1000 was too expensive for the mass and have too many limitations from memory. After upgrade it was my first choice of development machine. But due to the flickering in highres mode most projects failed finally even with a flicker-jitter on top of the monitor.

There was also less demand in porting games to Amiga, most of the projects were in the other direction to the Atari ST or PC. So I finally switched over to the Atari ST using monochrom monitor to edit/write code, compile them for errors and debugging purpose until it was nearly completed and then copied them over to Amiga or PC for recomplation (after converting sound and graphics). Within one day it was most likely running. Sure for graphic editing I used Deluxe Paint and sound was delivered from subcontractors in MOD format.

The A500 was more a gaming machine and for testing purpose.

Quote from: "retromod"I have had the A1000 first, then A500 and finally a CDTV which was damaged after a year without reason.
The A1000 was too expensive for the mass and have too many limitations from memory. After upgrade it was my first choice of development machine. But due to the flickering in highres mode most projects failed finally even with a flicker-jitter on top of the monitor.

There was also less demand in porting games to Amiga, most of the projects were in the other direction to the Atari ST or PC. So I finally switched over to the Atari ST using monochrom monitor to edit/write code, compile them for errors and debugging purpose until it was nearly completed and then copied them over to Amiga or PC for recomplation (after converting sound and graphics). Within one day it was most likely running. Sure for graphic editing I used Deluxe Paint and sound was delivered from subcontractors in MOD format.

The A500 was more a gaming machine and for testing purpose.

Wait, you were involved in games development? Hold on, now, I want to hear about this.

Quote from: "Bobinator"Wait, you were involved in games development? Hold on, now, I want to hear about this.

Sure I develop software since I was 9. So finally 5 years  No I'm kidding I started with age of 9 to learn basic for the ZX81. Then switched over to Atari Homecomputers, developed several software in small quantities including games. Then switched over to Atari ST, Amiga and 8088 until someone asked me to port games from one system to another (source was most of the time crude 68000, basic, C, pascal from hobbiests). I converted them to C and created a fast hardware optimized library for each platform. So with a simple recompile and gfx/snd convertion the software run within hours on every of this platforms. I've done that for a series of games (the best one was sold 50.000 times) for Atari, Amiga and PC. it was one of the biggest distributors here in europe. In parallel I developed embedded solutions for example control applications for airports and public transport departments in my spare time. After school I hired at a company to develop a realtime OS with GPS and navigation support for x86 and left the company finally for highend unix and openvms systems. In about 30 years I studied each OS and component to the ground. Today I do a lot of education for senior developers in our company.
 
Only music is one of the knowledge I miss.  Sound is not a problem but composing music is quite hard. Graphics is quite easy as well as a bunch of programming languages and (software and hardware) technologies. If I understand how something works, I can repro it in a one man show ;-)

Currently my focus is on hardware... specially modding for 8-bit consoles. I invented some mods and if the business is up and running (today called outsourcing) I will return to the software side writing some games.

What games? Colour me intrigued!

Quote from: "The Laird"What games? Colour me intrigued!

for example "steigenberger Hotelmanager"
Crazy Sue
Mysterious Worlds
System 4 - Mr Tengus Adventure
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as these games are all in C and using a single API for hardware communication there are quite easy to port to consoles or WEB. Only copyright and trademark may be a problem.....

I also remember to have written one of the first graphical GUI's for Atari 8 bit Homecomputers. It was called "Moves" and sold in very limited numbers (may be ahead of time). The last application I wrote for 8 Bit Atari was a database application similar to dbase with 60 characters by altering the normal font and narrow the characters.

I bought an Amiga 1000 very early after release. it was quite expensive and lacks memory all the time. So I bought a memory expansion to 1MB. The development kits were quite costly, too.

In europe the highres mode was quite useless as professional software often used this mode but it flickered. Even a monitor jitter was not able to compensate this serious problem. So Amiga was finally stuck as a game and hobbiest machine.

Developing on the Amiga was not really fun. The editor was awful and zero software used the intuition GUI. The Atari ST was quite fun here as all editors supported dual window editing and the monochrome monitor was the best you can get for homecomputers. The compile and link process was very loud due to the bad floppy disk format and often your disk were broken after some read/writes. That was really a mess - the disk drives of the Amiga. Having two of them was the minimum requirement without swapping disks all the time.
For testing it was required to reboot the system so the time consuming ramdisk fillup eated up my time. That one reason to use the Atari ST only for coding and precompile testings (finding errors) then moving over to Amiga for final compile and testing stage.

I also bought one of the first Amiga 500 available and things got better as compiling and testings was now faster by splitting it over two computers. But as Atari editing was sooo great I kept this workflow by using the Atari ST as coding machine.

From history it was a big fault offering the Amiga with the old Chipset. The limitations was too big and the user experience dropped down, specially as the multitasking was not really used by people. But it was a decision of money - waiting and loosing customers to Atari or be the first on the market with not up-to-date hardware. As the price was fairly high Commodore lost the run on the first round. Atari sold better. Second approach with Amiga 500 and 2000 killed the design and the Amiga spirit. The A2000 was a complete fail as it was not the expected successor using the same old chipset even if the final new chipset was complete and ready for shipping. The Commodore book describes in detail all the faults done leading to the Amiga disaster.

I still guess what have happened if Tramiel have not bought Atari. Remember Atari have had several systems in planning. The developer just finished the first version of the boards and waited for the Amiga chipset to test their design. They started their vacation and never returned due to the takeover in the meantime. Finally the 8-bit line was not expanded with 1400XL, 1450XLD and 1090 expansion box with CP/M as announced. The 68000 project with Silver & Gold chipset (with equal graphics and sound to Amiga) as Atari 1800XL was not completed, and the Atari 1600XL with the Amiga chipset was halted, too. All great developers were layed off and Tramiel completed it's own design started month before: The Atari ST.
 
Amiga was bought by Commodore a big big fault, too. The CBM900 was a quite impressive machine and much cheaper, ready for production. It was dropped in favour of the Amiga which was too expensive to find large quantities. The Amiga 500 and 2000 was too late and not up-to-date, they pissed the original Amiga developers and falls into their old habbitants: price tag optimizations instead of technical revolution.

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Awesome stuff, cheers fella.

These videos are usually cool to watch, particularly to see their music choices for the posted art.

Very much so. I am having an Amiga revival lol.

What is with the weirdness in the Adanac roleplay thread?   Wests entries have now turned into Rklenseth? 

Very strange.

Im hoping this is the place to post about this.  If not..... well... shrugs

You have lost me pal?

Here's something for those who own an Amiga...

The amiga 1200 is one of my best gaming platforms from back in the day, loved it even my dad used to play cannon fodder and super frog and me and my brother used to watch him and write the level codes down. We also loved games like walker, syndicate, alien breed, North and South and moonstone and loads more. Great system.

Cool!  Looks like you had plenty of fun with the system!

A little music disk a friend of mine recently released...

https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=87632

Thank you!

Great stuff, I tried to run it on FS-UAE launcher but it does not seem to load?

Quote from: zapiy on December 30, 2020, 17:56:53 PM
Great stuff, I tried to run it on FS-UAE launcher but it does not seem to load?

I've run it fine on WinUAE.  It was coded and runs fine via emulation on a RaspberryPi.  I'm sure I read somewhere that someone ran it fine on their real A1200.

I'll send a message to the coder about your issue and see what they say.

Thanks mate..

Quote from: zapiy on December 30, 2020, 18:30:46 PM
Thanks mate..

It was coded/tested using UAE4ARM on a Pi and was also tested using WinUAE.  It was tested on FS-UAE on Linux running on Ubantu MATE (on a Raspberry Pi 4) and it did work.

Try running using KS2.0.

Dug the amigas out and took a picture, working on getting them all recapped so far only the cd32 is done, but once the all done will be buying a gotek, also a found this expansion in the 500, anyone know what it is?

(https://i.ibb.co/zmZt8C9/IMG-20210420-133340.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/n6SFzdR/IMG-20210420-133527.jpg)

More new games for the Amiga!  Check it out...

Some decent games coming out since the Scorpion Engine was released thats for sure.