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Retro Console Gaming => Other Systems => Topic started by: TL on February 19, 2013, 19:35:35 PM

Title: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on February 19, 2013, 19:35:35 PM
The PC-FX is a video game console released in Japan on December 23, 1994 by NEC Corporation. It is the 32-bit successor to NEC's PC Engine (known in the US as the TurboGrafx-16).
Unlike its predecessor, the PC-FX was only released in Japan, where it is seen to have been a commercial failure, unable to compete effectively with its fifth generation peers. The PC-FX was NEC's last dedicated video game console, and was discontinued in February 1998.

You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-FX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-FX)

I also found this really nice video review of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocxM1Cx7w8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocxM1Cx7w8s)
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: tomwaits on February 19, 2013, 20:41:40 PM
The PC-FX library is very limited. Only two real 'action' games... Chip Chan Kick and Zeroigar. They're both expensive and neither are spectacular games. Unless you really enjoy early 90s anime/hentai there isn't much to enjoy on the console.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TrekMD on February 20, 2013, 02:03:17 AM
What a contrast compared to the TurboGraphx 16!  Looks like NEC made a big mistake by not using better hardware for the system.  Perhaps it was best they limited release to Japan.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: zapiy on February 20, 2013, 08:51:50 AM
I always wanted one of these, would still love one even with the limited games.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Rogue Trooper on February 23, 2013, 20:33:56 PM
Reading old interview with Hudson Soft, where they mentioned plans to support NEC PC-FX:

They talked of plans which would'nt include games like Bomberman, as it was the companies intention to concentrate soley on software based on popular anime series, the entire marketing and software focus was to go towards development and promotion of games biased towards pre-rendered Anime footage.


The feature/interview also mentioned the PC-FX could receive faxes (and hook upto NEC's PC98 computers), what an odd best.

Capable of handling sprite+polygon based games, but going for the pre-rendered route and doubling as a fax machine, if+when needed.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Rogue Trooper on February 24, 2013, 17:02:16 PM
Reading up on the system, not overly sure how 'correct' some of the Wikip.claims are.

NEC's Iron Man console never had any final specs given out by the company, but originally they said it was to have 5X Hudson Co-Processors, but once it switched to being little more than a 'digital movement system' as they called it, and was re-named to simply the 'FX', NEC released the following specs for it.

Main CPU: 32 Bit RISC V810 (NEC), 2X CD Rom drive, 2 megabytes DRAM, 1.25 megabytes VRAM, 1 megabyte ROM, 256K CD RAM buffer and 32K SRAM.

System could refresh 24 Bit colour images at 30 FPS.

The original hardware design, had a demo running of Super Star Solider 3D and the project was canned because of superior hardware performance from Sega Saturn+Sony Playstation, it was due to be launched at end of 1994.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on February 27, 2013, 17:49:55 PM
Here are some videos of a few games:

Kishin Douji Zenki FX (Nec PC-FX) (http://http)
Zenki - By Hudson Soft

"Last Imperial Prince" PC-FX (http://http)
Last Imperial Prince - By NEC

PC-FX - BATTLE HEAT ( FULL GAMEPLAY WITH HAN ) (http://http)
Battle Heat - By Hudson Soft
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: onthinice on March 21, 2013, 17:16:15 PM
I like the looks of the system. I never look at systems like this as failures. I feel you just have to look for the good that each console offers.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: zapiy on March 22, 2013, 12:48:45 PM
Typical Jap type games, would be great to have a bash on those sometime.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on March 22, 2013, 13:26:49 PM
A few more games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFd89KPWiI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFd89KPWiI)
Fire Woman Matoigumi - By NEC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzz8b2o-Ans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzz8b2o-Ans)
Power Dolls - By NEC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjQp8Brcz9s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjQp8Brcz9s)
Makeruna! Makendou Z - By NEC
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: onthinice on March 22, 2013, 13:46:36 PM
Graphics are really nice. Very good use of colors. If there is a down side the game play looks almost 16-bit instead of 32-bit.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on October 03, 2013, 12:53:52 PM
FX Fighter is a cancelled fighting game, used to promote the PC-FX and itís graphical capabilities.¬† A demo was shown at the Tokyo Toy Show in 1994. The game was a 1-on-1 3D fighter which used FMV to represent the characters movement.¬† The game was cancelled halfway through development with only 3 or 4 characters done because the sheer size of the FMVs needed to complete the game exceeded the capacity of a single CD.

You can watch a couple of videos below, one taken from a promotional video made by NEC to promote the then brand-new system

FX Fighter [PC-FX - Cancelled] (http://http)

Cancelled PC-FX game, FX Fighter 1994 - Sound (http://http)
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Shadowrunner on October 03, 2013, 17:05:58 PM
Very impressive looking game, especially compared to the other games on the system!
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: AmigaJay on October 03, 2013, 18:33:43 PM
Would have played awful though....dragons lair 3d fighting!
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Shadowrunner on October 03, 2013, 19:03:16 PM
Quote from: "AmigaJay"
Would have played awful though....dragons lair 3d fighting!

 :21: Good point!
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: The Graphics Man on October 03, 2013, 22:47:37 PM
Nah, I have Battle Heat! and Tengai Makyo Karakuri Kakutoden. Dragon's Lair, Space Ace , blah, blah, blah... they are not. I really enjoy playing the games I have for the PC-FX but the games for it are not for everyone... I purchased the system and the games as they came out. The system could have done games like Resident Evil very easily... In fact that is exactly what Team Innocent is... It just uses 2D sprites instead of polygons... Those ugly butt polygons would not have presented a problem for the system to produce...  :21:
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on October 17, 2013, 14:55:36 PM
An excellent looking shooter:

Choujin Heiki Zeroigar PC-FX (http://http)

And a traditional J-RPG:

Miraculum (The Last Revelation): NEC PC-FX (http://http)
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: SnakeEyes on October 23, 2013, 10:48:52 AM
I wonder whether making the Pc Engine CD games run on it would have made a difference to its success. Maybe even add a Hu-card slot and make it totally compatible with the PC engine range.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: AmigaJay on October 23, 2013, 19:08:53 PM
Quote from: "SnakeEyes"
I wonder whether making the Pc Engine CD games run on it would have made a difference to its success. Maybe even add a Hu-card slot and make it totally compatible with the PC engine range.
Doubt it, this was the end of 1994, the Playstation and Saturn were out, having backwards compatibility wouldn't have saved this disaster from NEC, it was doomed the minute they said its main feature was full motion JPEG playback at 30fps at a time when people wanted 3d texture mapped gaming, had it been released in 1992 when it was first planned to it would have faired better against the mega cd, but it was too late in 1994.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: tomwaits on October 23, 2013, 19:42:19 PM
Quote from: "SnakeEyes"
I wonder whether making the Pc Engine CD games run on it would have made a difference to its success. Maybe even add a Hu-card slot and make it totally compatible with the PC engine range.

I think the bigger question is why no one offered any PCE-ish games or sequels for the PC-FX. The PC-FX completely abandoned everything NEC had established with the PCE fanbase. It may have been too late for backwards compatibility but a new Bonk, Star Soldier, Y's, or similar style titles may have attracted more of the PCE audience to the new console.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on October 25, 2013, 20:54:13 PM
I don't know, a lot of people moaned that the Saturn couldn't play Mega Drive games, especially as it had a cartridge slot on it. They could have at least released a converter in my opinion.

I think a slot for PC Engine/SuperGrafx Hu-Cards and the ability to play Super CD-ROM games would have been a massive bonus for the machine.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: SnakeEyes on October 27, 2013, 14:18:02 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I don't know, a lot of people moaned that the Saturn couldn't play Mega Drive games, especially as it had a cartridge slot on it. They could have at least released a converter in my opinion.

I think a slot for PC Engine/SuperGrafx Hu-Cards and the ability to play Super CD-ROM games would have been a massive bonus for the machine.


That was my thinking. I love the look of the machine and the Pc engine back catalogue is superb.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TL on November 01, 2013, 20:14:35 PM
[align=center:17umszhb]A couple more games I just came across:

PC-FX Queen of Queens Wrestling (http://http)

PC-FX:chip chan kick stage 1 (http://http)[/align:17umszhb]
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: TrekMD on April 05, 2015, 03:26:51 AM
The guys from Game Sack have posted a video that looks at this rare console.  Check it out...

[align=center:2uj8c7fp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7qGy1jxsM0&feature=em-subs_digest[/align:2uj8c7fp]
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: zapiy on April 05, 2015, 14:58:41 PM
Awesome to see.. cheers fella.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Ben on May 05, 2015, 03:24:51 AM
I just got around to watching this, and I have to say I think this console is a bit baffling.  Was it really any more powerful than the Neo Geo? I kind of feel like that niche market was already served by another console, then you add in the rise of 3D and it was doomed from the start (at least the Jag was serviceable at both).  It looks to have some great games though, I hope you get some more of them translated, Kidgamer.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Papa on May 05, 2015, 14:56:45 PM
Yeah, I had one and sold it.  I really liked Zenki and had a few other games for it.  It's mostly an Otaku system that was capitalizing off of the FMV craze, in my opinion.  It seems to have some great hardware for both 2D and FMV, but never got to flex that muscle too much.  I loved the gamepads and hunted games for it, although they are very rare and expensive and hard to play if you don't read the language.  It's sad that they didn't keep this going longer as there was a HUGE library of Otaku titles from the FM Towns Marty that could have been ported..
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Lorfarius on May 05, 2015, 22:10:27 PM
I always thought it was weird why they didn't stick in Hucard BC.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2015, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: "Kidgamer"
Well,i'm not translating them XD,but i want the people to know that there's more games being translated
Sorry, I misread your post there.  I have to say, it's not surprising that so few of these have been translated.  I'm a Japanese speaker myself, and I spent about a year trying to work on a Saturn game before giving up, because I'm just not cut out for coding (plus I could have made so much progress on anime/manga in that time).  When you consider that there just aren't that many people who have both the coding knowledge and the Japanese proficiency to pull the text, then translate it, then patch the game, it's no wonder this console is so unknown due to the lack of translated games.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Lorfarius on May 07, 2015, 11:19:30 AM
You should try joining the forums over at http://www.romhacking.net (http://www.romhacking.net). They are always crying out for people just capable of being able to read and translate Japanese text.  They do the coding so you wouldn't have to worry about that.  They usually get a text grab from each game then someone works their way through it all then they format and re-insert.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Ben on May 07, 2015, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: "Lorfarius"
You should try joining the forums over at http://www.romhacking.net (http://www.romhacking.net). They are always crying out for people just capable of being able to read and translate Japanese text.  They do the coding so you wouldn't have to worry about that.  They usually get a text grab from each game then someone works their way through it all then they format and re-insert.
I might consider it if I know I'll have more free time down the road.  I tried getting involved with a translation group years ago and it went badly because I didn't have the time to work at the pace they wanted.  I wish more people would just post full text dumps, then if someone picks up on them and gets it done great, if not it's no big deal (I think the issue is the group wanting credit for being the first to complete a game in a lot of cases, and not letting someone else gain notoriety from their work).
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: zapiy on September 20, 2015, 21:02:25 PM
Is there not a way to get that raw data? So you can do one anyway?
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Ben on September 21, 2015, 01:09:53 AM
Quote from: "zapiy"
Is there not a way to get that raw data? So you can do one anyway?
It varies by console and your knowledge of coding.  Princess Crown for the Sega Saturn has been translated for around 20 years and there still isn't a patch for the iso that I know of because of how hard it is to pull text from Saturn games, the original translation was done by someone playing through the game and taking screen caps which were then used to do the translation.  By comparison, there are software utilities you can download to dump text from quite a few SNES games.  That's why there aren't too many SNES games left untranslated at this point but the Saturn's amazing JRPG library remains untranslated entirely.

I'd be interested to hear from someone who knows more about the NEC PC-FX, I have no idea about how hard it is to get text out of those isos.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Papa on September 22, 2015, 22:43:25 PM
I had this system long ago and began to miss it, so I bought one at a great price off of EBay with Dragon Knight 4.  I love the system and played it a lot before, but now I plan to learn a little Japanese to help me through some of the games I couldn't really get into back then.  I like strategy and RPG games a lot more now than I used to.  I had Zenki and played it a LOT.  This time it was Langrisser that started me wanting one again.  That and all the beautiful anime girls running around everywhere!  :35:
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Shadowrunner on September 23, 2015, 15:19:41 PM
Cool, I'd like to get a PC-FX some day and I've been saying I would like to learn a little Japanese to play through some games for years now. Let us know how it turns out :)
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: zapiy on September 23, 2015, 16:45:21 PM
Same as you guys, would be a dream purchase. What are the going rates these days, assuming you can find one.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2015, 14:35:45 PM
If you guys ever take a notion to do it, you can pick up enough Japanese to play through most games with some cheap study at home resources.  Rosetta Stone will teach you basic conversational proficiency along with hiragana and katakana and there is an RPG called Project LRNJ you can get for a $20 download fee that teaches most of the common kanji you need to know to play JRPGs.  Rosetta Stone disc only versions are pretty heavily discounted now because they're switching to an online model like Adobe to combat piracy so the older versions are a great deal, the only issue with it is that it teaches by immersion and you might get stuck picking up the grammar.  There is a Youtube Channel called Puni Puni Japan that covers most of the basic grammar you can use if you get stuck and you could always buy a grammar dictionary to go along with it, there are a bunch of free software kanji dictionaries so buying one of those isn't really necessary.  A few good links:

Puni Puni Japan - https://www.youtube.com/user/PuniPuniJapan (https://www.youtube.com/user/PuniPuniJapan)
Project LRNJ - https://lrnj.com/ (https://lrnj.com/)
Kanatest (kana learning tool) - http://clayo.org/kanatest/ (http://clayo.org/kanatest/)
Kanatest for Windows - http://sourceforge.net/projects/delugeb ... /kanatest/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/delugebuilds/files/education/kanatest/)
Tagaini Jisho - Kanji dictionary plus study tool - http://www.tagaini.net/ (http://www.tagaini.net/)
Exhaustive list of counter words if you get stuck - http://www.tofugu.com/guides/count-anything-japanese/ (http://www.tofugu.com/guides/count-anything-japanese/)

The one thing I'd mention about Rosetta Stone, I've helped a few people I recommended it to that got stuck in the past, and what tends to lose them is when it introduces counter words.  The Japanese language is really weird in that they have somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 different counter words and they have weird variations on those words by context.  An example would be counting people; you use -nin, but only for three and up.  One person = hitori two people = futari three people = san-nin four people = yon-nin, etc.  You just have to know hitori and futari. It gets more complicated, like with animals you use -piki for 1,6,8,10 -biki for 3 and -hiki for everything else.
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: Shadowrunner on September 26, 2015, 16:22:46 PM
Thanks Ben, some great resources there. If I do I will be coming back to this to get me started :)
Title: Re: The NEC PC-FX
Post by: zapiy on September 28, 2015, 06:34:03 AM
Great info. and i would love to learn Japanese properly but the time i would need to dedicate, its just not viable in any sense of the word for me.