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[align=center:x04k0c3m]Atari Jaguar Unreleased Games - Part 1 (//http)[/align:x04k0c3m]

That's a lot of games and this is only part 1!

Quote from: "TrekMD"That's a lot of games and this is only part 1!

Glad you liked it 

I am thinking of doing a Lynx one too . . . . .

Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "TrekMD"That's a lot of games and this is only part 1!

Glad you liked it 

I am thinking of doing a Lynx one too . . . . .

That'd be cool!

Part 2 is now here . . . .

Atari Jaguar Unreleased Games - Part 2 (//http)

I love seeing these!


What was the game that Songbird mentioned working on, on AA? Said it was "E____W____"

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"What was the game that Songbird mentioned working on, on AA? Said it was "E____W____"

I have been trying to work that out for ages and I have no clue! 

So, do ROMS exist for any of these games? 

Quote from: "TrekMD"So, do ROMS exist for any of these games?

Yes quite a few of them:

Part 1

Ocean Software

Water World - Started / Unreleased
TFX - Unknown / PS1 version released
Lobo - Started / Lost / Megadrive & SNES protos found
Cheesy - Started / Lost / PS1 version released
Toki Goes Apespit - Near complete / Lost
Robocop - Unknown / Proposal found

Core Design

BC Racers - Finished / Lost / Other versions released
Swagman - Started / Lost / PS1 & Saturn version released
Tomb Raider - Started / Lost / PS1 & Saturn version released
Shell Shock - Started / Lost / PS1 & Saturn version released
Scottish Open Golf - Started / Lost / Other versions released

Telegames

Ultimate Brain Games - Early rom found and released
Virtuoso - Finished & Confirmed to be in the hands of Telegames
Wild Cup Soccer - Started / Lost / Amiga version exists
Super Off Road - Unknown
Power Slide - 50% Complete / Lost / 3DO proto found
Graham Gooch Cricket - Finished & Confirmed to be in the hands of Telegames
Casino Royale - Started / Lost
James Pond 3 - Started / Lost

Virtual Xperience

Zzyorxx - Finished / Lost
Indiana Jags - Started / Lost
Conan The Barbarian - Started / Lost

Atari

Asteroids 2000 - Started / Lost
Max Force - Finished / Rumoured to be in the hands of a collector
Freelancer - Near finished / Lost
Live Wire - Near finished / Found and then lost
Deathwatch - Finished / Lost
Pong 2000 - Started / Lost
Thea Realm Fighters - Proto found / In hands of collectors

Looks like a number of them have been lost as well.  I hope some of the ones that were finished somehow end up released. 

Max Force - Finished / Rumoured to be in the hands of a collector
Freelancer - Near finished / Lost
Live Wire - Near finished / Found and then lost
Deathwatch - Finished / Lost


The most frustrating list right here...

Also, Found and then lost again??? Jesus

Part 2

Microprose

Gunship - Started / Lost / Other versions released
Tinhead - Finished / Confirmed to be in the hands of a programmer
Falcon - Unknown / Other versions released
Stunt Car Racer - Unknown / Other versions released
Star Trek: The Next Generation - Unknown / Other versions released

Activision

Return To Zork - Started / Lost / PC version released
River Raid - Unknown
Pitfall 3D - Unknown / Other versions released

Atari

Major Havoc 2000 - Proposals exist / Assigned to Jeff Minter
Dracula: The Undead - Unknown
Uncle Oswald - Started / Early beta exists
Bios Fear - Unknown
AVP 2: Annihilation - Proposals Exist
Gotcha - Finished / Lost
Rocky Horror Show - Near complete / PC Version released

Time Warner Interactive

Rise Of The Robots - Finished / Lost
Batman Forever - Started / Proposals exist
Striker - Near finished / Lost / Other versions released
T-Mek - Started / Other versions released
Area 51 - Arcade version was Jaguar based
Wayne Gretzky Hockey - Started / Other versions exist

Team 17

Witchwood - Started / Lost
Allegiance - Started / Lost / Video of PS1 proto exists
Rollcage - Started / Lost

Interplay

Lost Vikings 2 - Unknown / Other versions released
Battle Chess - Finished / Lost
Doom 2 - Unknown / Other versions released

Just did part 3 . . . . ENJOY!


Atari Jaguar Unreleased Games - Part 3 (//http)

Awesome stuff fella.. Shame there is no code out there.

Part 3

Accolade

Hardball 3 - Started / Lost
Jack Nicklaus Cyber Golf - Early prototype exists
Unnecassary Roughness - Unknown / Other versions released

Silmarils

Ishar 3 - Finished / Lost
Deus Ex Machina - Started / Lost / PC Version released
Transartica - Unknown

Virgin Interactive

Earthworm Jim - Unknown / Other versions released
Heart Of Darkness - Started / Lost / PS1 version released
Demolition Man - Finished / Demo version exists
Creature Shock - Finished / Lost / Other versions released
Earthworm Jim 2 - Unknown

American Laser Games

Mad Dog McCree - Unknown / Other versions released
Crime Patrol - Unknown / Other versions released
Who Shot Johnny Rock? - Unknown / Other versions released
Space Pirates - Unknown / Other versions released
Mad Dog 2 - - Unknown / Other versions released

Midway Games

Robotron 3D - Started / Lost
Mortal Kombat 3 - Finished / Lost
Dactyl Joust - Started / Video exists

Virtuality

Buggy Ball - Started / Lost
Dactyl Nightmare - Unknown
Zone Hunter - Finshed / Proto in hands of collector

Infogrames

Alone In The Dark 2 - Started / Other versions released
Commander Blood - Finished / Lost / Demo exists
Another World - Unknown / Other versions released

Atari

Centipede 2000 - Started / Lost
Kasumi Ninja 2 - Started / Lost
Legions Of The Undead - Started / Lost / Proto rumoured to exist
Country Grid - Finished / In hands of a collector
Phear - Finished / Lost / N64 Version released

Somebody asked me to do a video for the Varuna's Forces prototype so I just put togther this crappy video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FlmOUcZrA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FlmOUcZrA)

I also made a video for Caves Of Fear too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3jfijRbrXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3jfijRbrXo)

I finally got round to making Part 4 of my series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFwTPT-ZlkM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFwTPT-ZlkM)

Nice list. Where thoses mock-up screen shots? Some looked like 3DO shots?

It would have been cool if they had been released.

It pains me to see all these missed opportunities.

Quote from: "onthinice"Nice list. Where thoses mock-up screen shots? Some looked like 3DO shots?

It would have been cool if they had been released.

Unlike the other 3 videos in this series none of these games used real Jag screenshots, they were all 3DO, Saturn or SNES screens. 

One reason why I left these publishers until last.

At least they can be played on other systems. Jaguar versions really would have been the best.

TFX was CANNED on Playstation-Code just running too slowly plus developers struggled with getting control scheme onto PS Pad were reasons given if memory serves.

Seem to recal E.W.J on PS1 just being straight SNES port (at least MCd ver.had extra level) though been an age since i saw it-Hated game to be honest.

Freelancer Jag CD-Recal interview with developers in Gamesmaster mag, said Atari went into 'utterly Mental' mode, wanted lots of fast polygon 3D, texture mapping etc, to make it compete with PS/Saturn games, they then planned to 'upgrade' game for PS, but sadly nothing came of it.

AVP 2:Atari talked of concepts of it using the V.R headset and Jaguar link up, in hands of right developer, could have been something special, would have said Rebellion, but after the PS3/360/PC AVP as well as PSP AVP games...NO!.


Anywho, superb vids.Dactyl Joust looked fantastic, gutted that never made it.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Freelancer Jag CD-Recal interview with developers in Gamesmaster mag, said Atari went into 'utterly Mental' mode, wanted lots of fast polygon 3D, texture mapping etc, to make it compete with PS/Saturn games, they then planned to 'upgrade' game for PS, but sadly nothing came of it.

I am doing an article on Imagitec Design for a future issue of Retro Gamer

With special thanks to Rogue Trooper, here is a very nice scan for you all of a Freelancer 2120 preview from Gamesmaster magazine:

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/Freelancer2120_zpsb6345675.jpg)

That looks like it could have been a great game!
Really a shame it was never finished   

WOW!

:-)

Thats from my 'scrap box' of magazine articles i've collected over the years.

God, i so wanted this game, looked gorgeous, sounded my kinda thing, hopes dashed, then raised when i read in Gamesmaster it had been canned, only to be a wip on PSone, then studio was bought and nothing came of it, sob.....

Looking over the complete list. I say one thing: the Jaguar got hosed. Those are some impressive games that did not get ported.

Preview of Rebellion's Legions Of The Undead from Ultimate Future Games:

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFG1Pg13_zps849dda51.jpg)

And another for Phase Zero, at least a prototype of this game has been released:

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFG16Pg40_zps736c1161.jpg)

That Legion of the Undead looks pretty good.  I wonder what the gameplay might have been like.

Quote from: "TrekMD"That Legion of the Undead looks pretty good.  I wonder what the gameplay might have been like.

It was an evolution of the Alien Vs. Predator engine and would have been a similar type game. They apparently improved it a great deal by optimising the code and moving it onto the GPU giving a better frame rate and up and down movement too.

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Quote from: "TrekMD"That Legion of the Undead looks pretty good.  I wonder what the gameplay might have been like.

It was an evolution of the Alien Vs. Predator engine and would have been a similar type game. They apparently improved it a great deal by optimising the code and moving it onto the GPU giving a better frame rate and up and down movement too.

I'm guessing there's no shred of a ROM anywhere...

Nope but I included it as a question for the Rebellion interview we are still waiting to get back.

Quote from: "The Laird"Nope but I included it as a question for the Rebellion interview we are still waiting to get back.

Wish the answer were "yes."

I've never seen that magazine before. Was this a UK magazine?

Quote from: "TrekMD"I've never seen that magazine before. Was this a UK magazine?

Yep, I will post up some more later.

Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "TrekMD"I've never seen that magazine before. Was this a UK magazine?

Yep, I will post up some more later.

Cool.  Looks like a nice mag from those images. 

Loving the presentation of that magazine's Jaguar special.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Loving the presentation of that magazine's Jaguar special.

Good because here is some more of it!

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg6_zps8b66c1a9.jpg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg7_zps0bf76fd8.jpg)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg8_zps0ec759cd.jpg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg9_zpsb441d89d.jpg)

Cheers!  :21:

Really great scans! Thanks Laird!

That game Deathwatch looked promising. Any idea how far they got with it?

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"That game Deathwatch looked promising. Any idea how far they got with it?

It was shown as complete at a show but is sadly lost 

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"That game Deathwatch looked promising. Any idea how far they got with it?

It was shown as complete at a show but is sadly lost  :(

Here is the rest of it:

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg10_zpsf8048d06.jpg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg11_zps393f3609.jpg)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg12_zps2e3e38c1.jpg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg13_zps1e193a1a.jpg)

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg14_zpsed222e94.jpg)(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/UFGSupPg15_zpsd563e6fb.jpg)

This video was on Cyber Roach so some of you may have seen it before but this is video footage of Death Watch (they got the name wrong here) from E3 in 1995:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS7DuDi8Kis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS7DuDi8Kis)

That looks awesome! Would have been a great game for the Jag if it was finished 

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"That looks awesome! Would have been a great game for the Jag if it was finished 

Sad thing is that is was finished, just never released.

Quote from: "The Laird"Sad thing is that is was finished, just never released.

Let me guest and got lost at the end ?

Thanks for sharing that Jaguar mag Laird! 

Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"

Quote from: "The Laird"Sad thing is that is was finished, just never released.

Let me guest and got lost at the end ?

You got it! 

That looked pretty good, not my cup of tea but good all the same

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I just looked through all of the posts in this thread so my previous comment only relates to Deathmatch.

I remember several of the titles in the lists and am very impressed with what should have been. Nice topic Laird, thanks for sharing.

I read again the first post. It would be nice to update them.
When you mention "other version exist" it would good to mention which one.

For example Star Trek the next generation are you referribg to the snes game or the PC version ?


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Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"I read again the first post. It would be nice to update them.
When you mention "other version exist" it would good to mention which one.

For example Star Trek the next generation are you referring to the snes game or the PC version ?

Where there were multiple versions of the game on different machines I put that. With regards to Star Trek, I would imagine that it was more like the PC game given the similar capabilities at the time.

Woah I just saw that Death Watch video above, that looks really good!! Graphically as nice as Rayman, especially that background, it's so brilliant.

How many protos are there of Varuna's Forces floating around out there? I have a double disc set but the video you posted earlier looks like a later build than what I have. That could have been promising if finished, much like Black ICe/White Noise had that been completed.

Quote from: "arcadehero"How many protos are there of Varuna's Forces floating around out there? I have a double disc set but the video you posted earlier looks like a later build than what I have. That could have been promising if finished, much like Black ICe/White Noise had that been completed.

Not sure actually, I am happy to make people copies of the version I have.

When I get my JagCd I will have to get back to you on that. I'll have to check my version first and verify as it has been a really long time. But there were many versions of Black ICE/White Noise, I played through quite a few of those so it wouldn't surprise me if there are different versions of VF out there.

I think the unreleased "Robotron 2000 or 3D" could be the same or very similar to the released "Robotron X" of Windows 95

If it is true that the development was completed, I would like to see published someday by Telegames the game "Virtuoso", this game, despite its shortcomings... I like it.

Quote from: "|NFERNO"I think the unreleased "Robotron 2000 or 3D" could be the same or very similar to the released "Robotron X" of Windows 95

If it is true that the development was completed, I would like to see published someday by Telegames the game "Virtuoso", this game, despite its shortcomings... I like it.

Yes it was, Robotron 3D was canned on the Jaguar and then released on the PS1 and other formats at Robotron X

It's a shame, this Robotron is one of the few remakes of classic games in 3D that deserve to be played. It would have been great to have Robotron on the Jaguar...

That is a shame indeed.  Did they even start development of the game or did they just decide to not make it for the Jaguar?  It wold have been an amazing game to have for the system and quite an appropriate update on an Atari console.

Quote from: "TrekMD"That is a shame indeed.  Did they even start development of the game or did they just decide to not make it for the Jaguar?  It wold have been an amazing game to have for the system and quite an appropriate update on an Atari console.

Yes development started on the Jaguar, then it was moved over to the PS1 when it was about 50% complete I believe.

Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "TrekMD"That is a shame indeed.  Did they even start development of the game or did they just decide to not make it for the Jaguar?  It wold have been an amazing game to have for the system and quite an appropriate update on an Atari console.

Yes development started on the Jaguar, then it was moved over to the PS1 when it was about 50% complete I believe.

Sucks. 

I was thinking

Mad Dog McCree - Unknown / Other versions released
Crime Patrol - Unknown / Other versions released
Who Shot Johnny Rock? - Unknown / Other versions released
Space Pirates - Unknown / Other versions released
Mad Dog 2 - - Unknown / Other versions released
Demolition man - ...

THat means a light should have been released... Anything about this piece of hardware ?

By the way you can update your post about the part 2 Another World was released afterward

You know, Mad Dog would have been a cool game to play on the Jaguar.  I used to play the PC version a while back. 

Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"I was thinking

Mad Dog McCree - Unknown / Other versions released
Crime Patrol - Unknown / Other versions released
Who Shot Johnny Rock? - Unknown / Other versions released
Space Pirates - Unknown / Other versions released
Mad Dog 2 - - Unknown / Other versions released
Demolition man - ...

THat means a light should have been released... Anything about this piece of hardware ?

By the way you can update your post about the part 2 Another World was released afterward

It was exactly the same as the 3DO gun:

(http://old-computers.com/MUSEUM/hardware/3do_lightgun_1.jpg)

Interesting. Looking at World Tour Racing on Jaguar CD (the most sophisticated 3D racing game on the system which is about 15fps on average) I doubt very much those screenshots are of Jaguar Need for Speed or Road Rash because the Jaguar can not handle texture mapped 3D racing games the same way that the 3DO did IMO.

Shame despite many Amiga stock ports Lotus Turbo Challenge series was not one not thought to be given the Jaguar treatment. Imagine those racing games with the Jaguars powerful 2.5D capabilities!

Also would have been great if Afterburner or Powerdrift was done. Afterburner is a reason to own a 32x and that is less powerful than Jaguar.

Powerdrift on the Jag would have been very cool!

Perhaps someone could do a port one day?

Probably not.  I don't think many of these got too far along in development.

It would be or even if someone completed them.  I think Songbird has a couple of these but they haven't said anything about releasing them.  I think they have them listed as Mystery Projects. 

Quote from: TrekMD on September 11, 2016, 14:38:20 PM
It would be or even if someone completed them.  I think Songbird has a couple of these but they haven't said anything about releasing them.  I think they have the listed as Mystery Projects. 

Not sure what Carl has anymore these days, im fairly certain one of them is Bomberman as the source was found to this on a CD-R in the original developers storage/garage i believe. I believe carl was in talks with the original dev/owner of the source. I tried to get a hold of the guy as well and shortly after to see if i could help in compiling or anything really, and all radio silence happened.

Not sure about any others, but FOR SURE, the source to bomberman does exist and is out there and has been recently discovered. Not sure where it goes from here though. It is supposed to be completed or about 90-95 percent there.

Quote from: KGRAMR on September 11, 2016, 18:48:05 PM
well,he's busy creating a new Jaguar CD bios for the SD cartridge.

Yah i saw that, its a great solution to ditching the cd unit all together as its high priced or hard to find unless you know where to get them. Ive never had problems with any of the ones i've owned other than typical laser issues which could be repaired easily if you are a hands on person that doesn't mind taking things apart. Most aren't however and just want it to work which i can understand.

My only problem with this would be piracy... Its a touchy subject for anyone but, i'm sure as reboot is just finding out now, people give ZERO Fucks morally when it comes to making a profit off of work that isn't there own. Its kind of something i've been saying for a while but i was told just to shut-up about it basically.  Obviously Storm Works and Reboot have our Major differences but one thing i think they are starting to see is what we were talking about for a while. Its now starting to surface and this kind of crap pushes devs away from making games and being more suited to
putting DRM like mechanisms into their software or be very closed off as to who gets content as a few want to profit from it (ride the coat-tails) by doing it illegally and without permission or consent.

Hate to say it but the SDCad with jag-cd bios will encourage more of this kind of thing as you are bringing more cd units to the masses so to speak. This means more copies of games being played that are cd based but... most aren't going to buy a physical CD anymore because its just not going to work, thus ripping ISOS to load onto SD card. This is where it gets VERY grey.....There is no control over where this image will get posted, its morally up to the person utilizing it not to do something like post it or sell access to it. Most will share them around freely as its easy to do at this point and its a common thing these days, but this basically screws the developer out of any sort of compensation for their time working to bring something to the system in the first place.

It may come down to etching peoples names and addresses into the game release and displayed on screen so that if its dumped you are publically shamed for it. Wouldnt hurt to hash the binary or program so that if someone tries to tinker with it, and change the name that it breaks the game and it wont load...

Anyhow...

/soapbox

Overall though, the sd card idea is a great solution. Long overdue, but has its drawbacks from a developer standpoint, but great concept overall.

Which ones would be for the Jag, do you know?

Jim Power would be a cool one one the Jaguar!  Iron Commando and Legend would be good too!  Titles the system should have had back then!

Cool to know there are updates.  Looking forward to learning more. 

Look forward to that list forming.


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Thanks for the update!  I saw the JSIII is a group of Facebook.  I'm not on Facebook (and have no plans to get on it) so it would be cool if you could keep this thread updated with any info.  Thanks again!  That is quite the list of games!

Thanks for all the info. Very cool!

That's cool about Black Ice White Noise. Myself and Shaggy the Atarian worked on items for a huge ebay package for one of the revs back in 2004, iirc. I'd walked the entire map and drawn every street according to the on-screen coordinates. First on graph paper then in AutoCAD. I donated the hand drawn originals as part of that auction. I think it was to support JSII server costs or something. Great days back then.

Had no idea Buddybuddies sold out his collection. That really sucks. He had more Jaguar kiosks than I'd ever seen (pics of) in one place. Dude is legendary.

Looking forward to updates.

Cool, thanks for the update!

Cool.  I sure hope some of these games are found, completed and released.  :)

Cool, thanks for keeping us updated.

Thanks for sharing the list. When I think about unreleased games for the Jaguar it always goes back to Tiny Toon Adventures because of the magazine ads.  Looked like a fun game for an underappreciated system.

That is quite a list of games.  I wonder if any of those that have code discovered will ever be completed by a hombrew developer for release.

Too many titles in that list that have the word probably next to them. Lots of those have been proved to not exist. Played the finished version of moles, so that could be true, but then again would you take my word for it, you are just repeating what Mr kizza says is true, which doesn't make it even remotely close to  being correct.

Perhaps RVG needs to make contact with the people said to hold these games for some general interviews on their careers and these games in particular?  Thoughts?


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Sounds like a good idea.

Any information you are willing to share is appreciated KGRAMR.

The Jaguar is a very good system that needs attention before it gets forgotten.

Take the Magnavox Odyssey2. It does not have a big following and it probably gets smaller every year.

Some people would say why collect for it, why buy aftermarket games(disclaimer some developers dislike the word homebrew, so I use aftermarket) or why search for lost titles.

Short answer is fun.

Thank you again for sharing!

No not on facebook. Always glad to hear a system is doing well. Thanks for mentioning the O2.

I'm waking up this thread.  I found this by accident as I was doing research about a baseball game on the Jaguar called Black Jag: Hyper Power League after watching a video on YouTube.  This is quite the list of games:  Unreleased Atari Jaguar Games (https://assemblergames.com/threads/unreleased-atari-jaguar-games.66356/).  If those titles had been released as planned you have to wonder if things could have played differently.