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Title: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on April 26, 2014, 05:17:14 AM
While watching some videos on YouTube today, I came up with the idea of looking at some retro games that were more abstract in their concepts.  One such game is Qix.  What exactly is a Qix?  Why are you trapping it?  Where do these sparks come from?  And, more importantly, what the heck are you actually controlling?  Is it a ship or is it something entirely different?  What other games have abstract concepts like these that you know of?

[align=center:2utejlc3]QIX consecutive 99%red fills.wmv (//http)[/align:2utejlc3]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on April 26, 2014, 11:24:28 AM
Interesting topic  :39:

I thought about this a lot and came up with quite a few ideas!

The first one I am going to mention though is Jinks by Rainbow Arts. It is a weird cross between Breakout and pinball that doesn't really make any sense at all but is strangely compelling and fun to play. It came on all the major home computers of the time and also saw a release for the Atari 7800 too. The weird intros on each version of particular note too:

[align=center:139nx70a]ATARI ST JINKS (//http)[/align:139nx70a]

[align=center:139nx70a]Jinks - Atari 7800 (//http)[/align:139nx70a]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on April 26, 2014, 14:25:52 PM
Good choice, Laird.  Jinks is another one of those abstract games that have interesting concepts for the game but where the elements of the game are just weird. 
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: zapiy on April 27, 2014, 13:34:20 PM
Does LSD: Dream Emulator fall into this?

PS1 - LSD Dream Emulator Highlights Part 1 (//http)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on April 27, 2014, 14:28:06 PM
Is taking LSD a requirement to play that game? 
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: Alberto 2K on April 27, 2014, 23:09:37 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"Is taking LSD a requirement to play that game?
I think you don't need it! :43:
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on April 28, 2014, 00:45:40 AM
Quote from: "Alberto 2K"
Quote from: "TrekMD"Is taking LSD a requirement to play that game?
I think you don't need it! :)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on April 30, 2014, 20:44:17 PM
[align=center:fms4ryqf]Here is another one for the list, I discovered this game recently while researching the Colecovision for Retro Gamer magazine. It's another mad cross between pinball and Breakout (like Jinks) but very different again and perhaps even weirder!!!

Flipper Slipper (Colecovision) gameplay footage (//http)[/align:fms4ryqf]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on April 30, 2014, 20:48:43 PM
That is one weird game!  Here is another totally abstract (and super cool) game:  Tempest! 

[align=center:2mhluhfa]Tempest (1980 Atari) [Re-Uploaded] (//http)[/align:2mhluhfa]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: zapiy on May 01, 2014, 20:46:35 PM
Lol that breakout game is totally whacko.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: Arethius_RGC on May 02, 2014, 10:20:25 AM
Zoop is also totally abstract.

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Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 02, 2014, 13:20:29 PM
Yep, that's another one and it is also one that looks cool. 
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on May 02, 2014, 20:21:46 PM
[align=center:1ryz753p]I think the Jaguar has quite a few but I am going to avoid the most obvious answer and pick Flip Out. I never really got this game no matter how much I tried:

Playthrough : Atari Jaguar - Flip Out! part 1 (//http)[/align:1ryz753p]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 02, 2014, 20:23:40 PM
Maybe I should retitle the thread "Abstract & Weird Games!"  LOL
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: Arethius_RGC on May 06, 2014, 15:29:34 PM
REZ is also a perfect example of abstract game

Rez HD (//http)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on May 06, 2014, 19:52:34 PM
Definitely abstract and definitely awesome!!!!  :36:
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 06, 2014, 21:42:21 PM
Oh yes, abstract for sure.  Looks and sounds great!
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: Arethius_RGC on May 06, 2014, 21:57:18 PM
Is great !!!!

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Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 06, 2014, 21:58:28 PM
Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"Is great !!!!

There is nothing else to say.


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This game has the Arethius Stamp of Approval!   :113:
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on May 07, 2014, 13:20:54 PM
[align=center:jmpyn41x]One of my favourite games on the Spectrum back in the day!

A Whole New Ball Game Walkthrough, ZX Spectrum (//http)[/align:jmpyn41x]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 07, 2014, 20:43:58 PM
Here is a classic that is also an abstract title and fun whether it is in its classic or updated from...

[align=center:313j9c82]Breakout (Atari 2600) (//http)

Super Breakout Atari 2600 (//http)

Breakout 2000 - Atari Jaguar (//http)[/align:313j9c82]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on May 13, 2014, 18:55:32 PM
[align=center:2vyfz1m5]Another real favourite of mine, such an addictive game but also pretty damn crazy, weird and, of course, abstract!

Atari Lynx - Super Skweek [Loriciel] 1991 (//http)[/align:2vyfz1m5]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 13, 2014, 23:26:10 PM
Hmm, so does Fantasy Zone qualify for this list?  It certainly has wacky characters and weird looking worlds that don't seem to be based on much that looks real. 

[align=center:1ploxe3u]Arcade Longplay [169] Fantasy Zone (//http)[/align:1ploxe3u]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on May 23, 2014, 22:05:18 PM
[align=center:wtgiw2ta]CGRundertow INTELLIGENT QUBE for PlayStation Video Game Review (//http)[/align:wtgiw2ta]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: davyk on May 29, 2014, 22:30:33 PM
Got a copy of this recently. Gorgeous game..


[align=center:hnlsat27]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba76jf8e45Y (//http)[/align:hnlsat27]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on May 29, 2014, 23:58:03 PM
That looks really cool!
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 01, 2014, 14:20:23 PM
[align=center:2o4vasi4]ATARI ST WEIRD DREAMS (//http)[/align:2o4vasi4]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 01, 2014, 15:07:12 PM
That is one weird game!  Here is something else that goes between weird and abstract...

[align=center:hwcxo6tw]Katamari Damacy Intro (//http)[/align:hwcxo6tw]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 06, 2014, 19:47:21 PM
[align=center:3vmv8pmo]The Sentinel on Atari ST (//http)[/align:3vmv8pmo]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 06, 2014, 22:22:12 PM
What the goal in that game?
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 06, 2014, 22:25:12 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"What the goal in that game?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sentinel_(video_game) (//http)

QuoteIn The Sentinel, the player takes the role of a Synthoid (called just "robot" in the US version), a telepathic robot who has to take control of a number of surreal, checkered landscapes of hills and valleys, by climbing from the lowest spot, where the hunt begins, to the highest platform, over which the Sentinel looms.
The Synthoid itself cannot move across the level; instead it can look around, accumulate energy by absorbing the objects that are scattered across the landscape, create stacks of boulders, generate inert Synthoid shells and transfer its consciousness from one of these clones to another.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 06, 2014, 22:28:55 PM
Doesn't sound very exciting. 
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 06, 2014, 22:30:42 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"Doesn't sound very exciting.

That's what I have always thought, the game was incredibly successful though and very highly acclaimed.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 07, 2014, 04:49:35 AM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "TrekMD"Doesn't sound very exciting.

That's what I have always thought, the game was incredibly successful though and very highly acclaimed.

Go figure!
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 23, 2014, 01:35:22 AM
Here's another abstract puzzle game....Drelbs.

[align=center:3rct738l]Amiga - Drelbs (//http)[/align:3rct738l]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 25, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
I discovered Drelbs fairly recently on the Atari 8-bit and it's a really strange but ultimately very addictive game. It's one of those titles that doesn't look like much in screenshots but when you play it you will be pleasantly surprised!
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 25, 2014, 12:46:56 PM
From the video, it does look like it would be an interesting game to play.  It may seem simple, but it really isn't as easy as it appears.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 25, 2014, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"From the video, it does look like it would be an interesting game to play.  It may seem simple, but it really isn't as easy as it appears.

I seem to remember that this was one of the A8 games converted to the 5200 recently.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 25, 2014, 14:43:00 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "TrekMD"From the video, it does look like it would be an interesting game to play.  It may seem simple, but it really isn't as easy as it appears.

I seem to remember that this was one of the A8 games converted to the 5200 recently.

I'll have to check on that. 
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on June 26, 2014, 13:45:17 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"Doesn't sound very exciting.

I had a demo of the sequel on PSOne, can't remember why I never bought it.

My choice would be lemmings, its too often simply labelled a puzzle game but its much more than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgDS-16 ... ata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgDS-16UFA&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on June 26, 2014, 13:46:01 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"Doesn't sound very exciting.

I had a demo of the sequel on PSOne, can't remember why I never bought it.

My choice would be lemmings, its too often simply labelled a puzzle game but its much more than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgDS-16 ... ata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SgDS-16UFA&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on June 26, 2014, 22:29:05 PM
:4:  Amazing programmer :113:

Any chance RVG can contact him, would love to know how he got from racing games to Sentinel? Its basically his only non racing game.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TL on June 26, 2014, 22:31:56 PM
:113:

Just found out Geoff Crammond of F1GP fame did the Sentinel  :113:

Any chance RVG can contact him, would love to know how he got from racing games to Sentinel? Its basically his only non racing game.
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There is an interviews suggestion thread somewhere, he would be a good candidate
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: WiggyDiggyPoo on June 26, 2014, 22:51:24 PM
Done cheers :113:

http://www.retrovideogamer.co.uk/http://www.retrovideogamer.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=4.0 (//http)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on June 29, 2014, 23:20:44 PM
Here is another rather abstract game, this time for the Mattel Intellivision:  Illusions.  The game itself is a bit weird but the music is pretty cool. 

[align=center:33l67xe3]Illusions for the Intellivision (//http)[/align:33l67xe3]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on July 16, 2014, 02:26:05 AM
While watching the historical video Ben posted, this game was included.  It most certainly qualifies as an abstract game.  Have a look at Alpha Waves...

[align=center:184zsvqs]Alpha Waves / Continuum - Early 3D game (//http)[/align:184zsvqs]
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: Greyfox on July 16, 2014, 02:39:35 AM
That came out the Atari ST and Amiga machines in 1990, but the Atari 8-bit done something very similar but for the life of me I can't remember what the game was called :(
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on July 16, 2014, 02:44:25 AM
Quote from: "Greyfox"That came out the Atari ST and Amiga machines in 1990, but the Atari 8-bit done something very similar but for the life of me I can't remember what the game was called :(

No clue of how to even look for it.
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: Greyfox on July 16, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
Lol, I found it, I knew I wasn't imagining things, the game was called "Relax" and was created by Synapse Software in 1984 and was co-written by Bill Williams famous for his wonderful "Alley Cat" game and who sadly passed away in 1998 from cystic fibrosis at the age of 38 :)

(http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/screens/relax_2.gif)(http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/screens/relax_4.gif)(http://www.atarimania.com/8bit/screens/relax_5.gif)
That Sun is making me feel happy already :)
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on July 16, 2014, 11:51:01 AM
Relaxation software, eh?  It must have had some soothing music...
Title: Re: Abstract Games
Post by: TrekMD on July 05, 2015, 21:09:32 PM
Restarting this thread.  Here is another abstract game that is also a bit strange.  This is Seventh Cross Evolution on the Sega Dreamcast...

[align=center:l025dwb5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwbToPTJ00[/align:l025dwb5]