Title: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 01:56:28 AM
Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 01:56:28 AM
So i was wondering what the type of TV's we use for our Retro Gaming..
Myself i have a 50/50 split.
My DC, Gamecube and N64 are connected to my 42 in LCD.
My Jag, Megadrive and SNES are connected to my 32 Sony 4:3 CRT.
Myself i have a 50/50 split.
My DC, Gamecube and N64 are connected to my 42 in LCD.
My Jag, Megadrive and SNES are connected to my 32 Sony 4:3 CRT.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: sloan on February 21, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
Post by: sloan on February 21, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
No 16:9 sets in my house. Only my main TV, a Sanyo 36" CRT. Also have a Sanyo 19" CRT, but it is really old and only has RF input.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: TrekMD on February 21, 2014, 02:41:59 AM
Post by: TrekMD on February 21, 2014, 02:41:59 AM
For gaming I use two TV's: a 19" Panasonic PVC2062 Combo TV/VCR and a 27" LCD TV. I play most games on the Panasonic TV but I prefer the LCD TV for my Jaguar and Genesis games.
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Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: TL on February 21, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
Post by: TL on February 21, 2014, 12:14:28 PM
I have two 14" TV's in my bedroom which have the ST and Spectrum connected to them but I mainly drag those to shows.
In my living room I have a 20" TFT LCD that has all my consoles connected to it via a scart switcher.
In my living room I have a 20" TFT LCD that has all my consoles connected to it via a scart switcher.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 18:23:38 PM
Post by: zapiy on February 21, 2014, 18:23:38 PM
Quote from: "sloan"No 16:9 sets in my house. Only my main TV, a Sanyo 36" CRT. Also have a Sanyo 19" CRT, but it is really old and only has RF input.
Really how comes if you don't mind me asking pal?
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: TL on February 21, 2014, 18:26:02 PM
Post by: TL on February 21, 2014, 18:26:02 PM
I don't have a widescreen TV either, or an HD one for that matter.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: Vyothric on February 21, 2014, 23:00:49 PM
Post by: Vyothric on February 21, 2014, 23:00:49 PM
No widescreen or LCD crap here.
As posted in another thread, this is my main gaming TV:
21" 4:3 Flat CRT
(http://www.diffusedion.co.uk/images/TV1-s2.jpg) (//http)
..and my PC monitor is also a 21" 4:3 Flat CRT:
(http://www.diffusedion.co.uk/images/Desk-s2.jpg) (//http)
As posted in another thread, this is my main gaming TV:
21" 4:3 Flat CRT
(http://www.diffusedion.co.uk/images/TV1-s2.jpg) (//http)
..and my PC monitor is also a 21" 4:3 Flat CRT:
(http://www.diffusedion.co.uk/images/Desk-s2.jpg) (//http)
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: sloan on February 21, 2014, 23:22:47 PM
Post by: sloan on February 21, 2014, 23:22:47 PM
Quote from: "zapiy"Quote from: "sloan"No 16:9 sets in my house. Only my main TV, a Sanyo 36" CRT. Also have a Sanyo 19" CRT, but it is really old and only has RF input.
Really how comes if you don't mind me asking pal?
The economy has been really tough and $400+ just hasn't been in the budget. I can see why Laird has considered selling his collection to help with finances. Can't say it hasn't crossed my mind either.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: zapiy on February 22, 2014, 00:19:35 AM
Post by: zapiy on February 22, 2014, 00:19:35 AM
Quote from: "Vyothric"No widescreen or LCD crap here.
As posted in another thread, this is my main gaming TV:
21" 4:3 Flat CRT
(http://www.diffusedion.co.uk/images/TV1-s2.jpg) (//http)
..and my PC monitor is also a 21" 4:3 Flat CRT:
(http://www.diffusedion.co.uk/images/Desk-s2.jpg) (//http)
Good idea, will add photos of mine later pal.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: TL on February 23, 2014, 13:43:42 PM
Post by: TL on February 23, 2014, 13:43:42 PM
This is mine:
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/20140223_133928_zps93f52cf1.jpg)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/20140223_133928_zps93f52cf1.jpg)
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: ls650 on February 23, 2014, 17:09:49 PM
Post by: ls650 on February 23, 2014, 17:09:49 PM
Many folks seem to hate LCD but I have one that works really well, even with all my old 8-bit systems. Here's a photo of the TV with my TurboGrafx connected via RF. The brand name is 'Dynex'. I'd never heard if the company before I bought this TV but I've had it maybe three years with no problems at all.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: TL on February 23, 2014, 17:12:28 PM
Post by: TL on February 23, 2014, 17:12:28 PM
Quote from: "ls650"Many folks seem to hate LCD but I have one that works really well, even with all my old 8-bit systems. Here's a photo of the TV with my TurboGrafx connected via RF. The brand name is 'Dynex'. I'd never heard if the company before I bought this TV but I've had it maybe three years with no problems at all.
Yeah my LCD is really nice with my old systems too, but then again its not a huge one that fills half my wall which probably helps.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: Cryptic33 on February 25, 2014, 16:43:54 PM
Post by: Cryptic33 on February 25, 2014, 16:43:54 PM
I have a Phillips CRT 21" that I used to use for the Jaguar. That is now in the bedroom awaiting me to set it up again. Meantime, I treated myself over Christmas to a 1080p 32" LED Samsung and I will soon be trying out the Jag on that little baby 
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: Shadowrunner on February 25, 2014, 17:17:20 PM
Post by: Shadowrunner on February 25, 2014, 17:17:20 PM
I used to have almost everything hooked up to a 32" Sharp LCD HD in my living room but it was just too cluttered and I didn't like the way some of the old games looked on it so I did some rearranging last year. I basically turned half my bedroom into a game room with a Sony 27" CRT that has everything hooked up to it prior to last gen.
The only consoles connected to the LCD now are the PS3, 360, Wii U, and Ouya.
The only consoles connected to the LCD now are the PS3, 360, Wii U, and Ouya.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: tomwaits on February 25, 2014, 17:24:48 PM
Post by: tomwaits on February 25, 2014, 17:24:48 PM
I use an NEC XM29 as my main retro gaming display. It's a 'multimedia presentation monitor'... 29" 4:3 CRT. Supports NTSC/PAL/SECAM/480p. It has inputs/adapters for composite, s-video, SCART RGB, component, and 15-pin VGA. It's housed in a sturdy rectangular shell and is easily tated to vertical for arcade gaming. Awesome. :28:
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: Carlos on February 25, 2014, 17:45:15 PM
Post by: Carlos on February 25, 2014, 17:45:15 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DmLME0bB0I4/USn9gyw-dRI/AAAAAAAABC0/DToGK5exF7c/s320/100_3264.JPG)
I use a 17" Grundig crt in the Cab, I have a 15" Beko CRT for for the ZX +2 and Atari 2600, they both have av and scart output and the colours are spot on.
I use a 17" Grundig crt in the Cab, I have a 15" Beko CRT for for the ZX +2 and Atari 2600, they both have av and scart output and the colours are spot on.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: flatapex on February 25, 2014, 21:32:12 PM
Post by: flatapex on February 25, 2014, 21:32:12 PM
Modern stuff goes on a lg 32 inch lcd
Retro on a philips 14 inch tv/vcr combi. £7.50 off ebay
Retro on a philips 14 inch tv/vcr combi. £7.50 off ebay
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: 64bitRuss on February 25, 2014, 23:48:15 PM
Post by: 64bitRuss on February 25, 2014, 23:48:15 PM
50" Vizio 60hz. My Jaguar upconverted to 1080p is fantastic. Maybe I'll take a pic when I get the chance. I was going to take pics of my Jaguar and Lynx posters all framed anyway.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: zapiy on February 26, 2014, 01:10:02 AM
Post by: zapiy on February 26, 2014, 01:10:02 AM
Nice one i look forward to it..
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: retromod on February 26, 2014, 09:13:36 AM
Post by: retromod on February 26, 2014, 09:13:36 AM
the real problem is that modern TV sets do not have S-Video anymore. Mine is 2 years old (LG one) and has a SCART with only RGB, no S-Video at all. But VGA, Composite.
I found recently a good article describing the problematic:
If you expect good quality it is technically not possible to combine S-Video, Composite and RGB within one SCART connector as quality will be worse. So TV-makers uses two separate SCART connectors, one with S-Video and AV, the other with RGB and AV. But due to cost cuttings and design aspects currently one one SCART connector is built into a modern TV, and of course it uses RGB not S-Video. Yesterday I visited a big discounter here in germany and it seems there is no TV available (specially the 4K one) which offers S-Video. Most of them now uses an additional adapter as the SCART connector doesn't fit in housing anymore (because there are sooo thin). So you'll get one cable with a small connector on one side which seems to be vendor specific and an SCART adapter on the other side.
For my consoles I uses a plasma LG TV which is great but lacks the problem of brightness. The usability is down the toilete as seen on all TV sets, too slow, too complicated and all is set automatically which is a mess if you switch between channels. Even adding new channels mixes and moving channels from the predefined locations. Boring! But the upscaling is great and the picture quality is better than on other cheap TV sets.
So for gaming this TV is quite ok. I do not use the predefined parameters for gaming, movies etc. so these are always switched off. The automatic loudspeaker adjustment is disabled because if you switch between channels the audio signal drops dramatically until you can't hear anything even if you have max loudness set.
It is also a problem for my Stereo/Surround Mod for the consoles as during switch off the AD/DA noise in the background is interpreted as voices and loudness adjusted automatically which lead to a "waterfall" sound experience. The same for movies having silence at the beginning, the TV automatically increases loudness and you'll hear constant noise. The first sound effect (for example an explosion within the movie) throws you out of seatÂ
As the brightness is quite high on plasma any game played may result to headache after a while. The screen is too sharp. That's the reason I alter my Mod's to lower brightness, this also leads to less color-rolling and bleeding as seen on many other mods and even stock RGB models. A typical sample is Xevious on the Atari 7800 which can't be played due to the color rolling in the back (even on RGB version of the Atari 7800). Same problem with Intellivision standard AV-mod, the screen has too many problems with brightness, noise in the picture and color-bleeding. That's the reason all the mods are presented on tube-based tv sets.... it fakes the quality!
As tube TV's are not available anymore and quite ugly to handle the only way is to alter current mods or find a way to connect old consoles to new TV-sets. I've tested several HDMI converters and finally all of them failed. The upscaling is the real problem as old consoles have lower resolution and upscaling means big blocks without antialiasing. If you have additional noise in the signal then you'll see a big soup of colors and pictures which looks like a blurry VGA monitor not set to it's recommended resolution.
I hope this will get better with my upcoming RGB mod which delivers far better quality so upscaling and pixel conversion is overall nicer. On the Atari Homecomputers I've noticed a problem with noise in the picture connected to a HDMI converter leads to single pixels even on flat backgrounds. So between the characters displayed on TV you'll notice a lot of pixels around - which looks very ugly and hard to read.
My fear is finally that with the upcoming new 4K standard and connectors the analog connectors will be reduces significantly. Currently it is very hard to get analog components for AV, S-Video and even RGB. All the video filter chips are out of production for example and the only available chips having AV, RGB etc. are really heavy beasts (with mainly digital functionality and analog export) with up to 200 pins and requirements for non-disclosure contracts from vendors. So the only way forward for retro hardware will be in long term to implement your own analog/digital converter on FPGA designs.
Modern consoles starting with PSone, PS2, gamecube, ps3 and WII have not problem as I feed them through SCART/RGB connectors if possible. I also noticed a big difference in quality if I feed an AV signal through the dedicated connectors or via SCART adapter. the SCART adapter AV signal seems to be handled by another logic within the TV leading to much brighter and sharper output. That's the reason I deliver an AV2SCART adapter with my mods.
I found recently a good article describing the problematic:
If you expect good quality it is technically not possible to combine S-Video, Composite and RGB within one SCART connector as quality will be worse. So TV-makers uses two separate SCART connectors, one with S-Video and AV, the other with RGB and AV. But due to cost cuttings and design aspects currently one one SCART connector is built into a modern TV, and of course it uses RGB not S-Video. Yesterday I visited a big discounter here in germany and it seems there is no TV available (specially the 4K one) which offers S-Video. Most of them now uses an additional adapter as the SCART connector doesn't fit in housing anymore (because there are sooo thin). So you'll get one cable with a small connector on one side which seems to be vendor specific and an SCART adapter on the other side.
For my consoles I uses a plasma LG TV which is great but lacks the problem of brightness. The usability is down the toilete as seen on all TV sets, too slow, too complicated and all is set automatically which is a mess if you switch between channels. Even adding new channels mixes and moving channels from the predefined locations. Boring! But the upscaling is great and the picture quality is better than on other cheap TV sets.
So for gaming this TV is quite ok. I do not use the predefined parameters for gaming, movies etc. so these are always switched off. The automatic loudspeaker adjustment is disabled because if you switch between channels the audio signal drops dramatically until you can't hear anything even if you have max loudness set.
It is also a problem for my Stereo/Surround Mod for the consoles as during switch off the AD/DA noise in the background is interpreted as voices and loudness adjusted automatically which lead to a "waterfall" sound experience. The same for movies having silence at the beginning, the TV automatically increases loudness and you'll hear constant noise. The first sound effect (for example an explosion within the movie) throws you out of seatÂ
As the brightness is quite high on plasma any game played may result to headache after a while. The screen is too sharp. That's the reason I alter my Mod's to lower brightness, this also leads to less color-rolling and bleeding as seen on many other mods and even stock RGB models. A typical sample is Xevious on the Atari 7800 which can't be played due to the color rolling in the back (even on RGB version of the Atari 7800). Same problem with Intellivision standard AV-mod, the screen has too many problems with brightness, noise in the picture and color-bleeding. That's the reason all the mods are presented on tube-based tv sets.... it fakes the quality!
As tube TV's are not available anymore and quite ugly to handle the only way is to alter current mods or find a way to connect old consoles to new TV-sets. I've tested several HDMI converters and finally all of them failed. The upscaling is the real problem as old consoles have lower resolution and upscaling means big blocks without antialiasing. If you have additional noise in the signal then you'll see a big soup of colors and pictures which looks like a blurry VGA monitor not set to it's recommended resolution.
I hope this will get better with my upcoming RGB mod which delivers far better quality so upscaling and pixel conversion is overall nicer. On the Atari Homecomputers I've noticed a problem with noise in the picture connected to a HDMI converter leads to single pixels even on flat backgrounds. So between the characters displayed on TV you'll notice a lot of pixels around - which looks very ugly and hard to read.
My fear is finally that with the upcoming new 4K standard and connectors the analog connectors will be reduces significantly. Currently it is very hard to get analog components for AV, S-Video and even RGB. All the video filter chips are out of production for example and the only available chips having AV, RGB etc. are really heavy beasts (with mainly digital functionality and analog export) with up to 200 pins and requirements for non-disclosure contracts from vendors. So the only way forward for retro hardware will be in long term to implement your own analog/digital converter on FPGA designs.
Modern consoles starting with PSone, PS2, gamecube, ps3 and WII have not problem as I feed them through SCART/RGB connectors if possible. I also noticed a big difference in quality if I feed an AV signal through the dedicated connectors or via SCART adapter. the SCART adapter AV signal seems to be handled by another logic within the TV leading to much brighter and sharper output. That's the reason I deliver an AV2SCART adapter with my mods.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: guest5130 on February 27, 2014, 21:15:07 PM
Post by: guest5130 on February 27, 2014, 21:15:07 PM
I have one of these (not my own photo - just nicked off Google!)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Sony-Wega-KV-28HX15U-28-Trinitron-colour-TV-with-remote-control-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/$T2eC16VHJHYE9nzpeC4ZBQeW,lQ8D!~~60_35.JPG)
Sony Wega Trintron KV-28HX15U 28" CRT. Think I paid £40 for this from a local ebay pick-up and that included the nifty matching stand (sadly binned due to not needing it) and a cheap freeview box (also binned). Really good quality as you'd expect from a Trinitron and perfect for the retro machines.
The only downside is the that it's huge and very heavy! Lugging this up a flight of stairs during a heatwave was not fun...
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Sony-Wega-KV-28HX15U-28-Trinitron-colour-TV-with-remote-control-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/$T2eC16VHJHYE9nzpeC4ZBQeW,lQ8D!~~60_35.JPG)
Sony Wega Trintron KV-28HX15U 28" CRT. Think I paid £40 for this from a local ebay pick-up and that included the nifty matching stand (sadly binned due to not needing it) and a cheap freeview box (also binned). Really good quality as you'd expect from a Trinitron and perfect for the retro machines.
The only downside is the that it's huge and very heavy! Lugging this up a flight of stairs during a heatwave was not fun...
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: 64bitRuss on March 01, 2014, 22:37:05 PM
Post by: 64bitRuss on March 01, 2014, 22:37:05 PM
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l112/RockyBalboa_06/postermania004.jpg) (//http)
Here's my rig. I'm done with CRT, using my upconvertor the picture quality has never been better.
Here's my rig. I'm done with CRT, using my upconvertor the picture quality has never been better.
Title: Re: What TV's do we all use?
Post by: Cryptic33 on March 01, 2014, 23:55:29 PM
Post by: Cryptic33 on March 01, 2014, 23:55:29 PM
Quote from: "64bitRuss"(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l112/RockyBalboa_06/postermania004.jpg) (//http)Wow, that is cool
Here's my rig. I'm done with CRT, using my upconvertor the picture quality has never been better.
