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Retro Gaming => Sega Chat => Topic started by: TL on February 13, 2012, 21:21:08 PM

Poll
Question: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Option 1: SG-1000 votes: 0
Option 2: Master System votes: 0
Option 3: Megadrive / Genesis votes: 15
Option 4: Mega CD votes: 0
Option 5: Saturn votes: 1
Option 6: Game Gear votes: 0
Option 7: Dreamcast votes: 4
Option 8: Pico votes: 0
Option 9: 32X votes: 0
Option 10: Nomad votes: 0
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on February 13, 2012, 21:21:08 PM
Which one of these was your favourite console by Sega and why?
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on February 13, 2012, 21:22:07 PM
I went with the Megadrive, my favourite console, mainly because of its huge library of games.

The Saturn is the runner-up for me.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: zapiy on February 13, 2012, 21:34:56 PM
I went for the Dreamcast. Awesome design, Awesome games.. Totally under rated. Sega could have done so much more with it but sadly Sony were to powerful.
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Post by: DEADDOLL666 on February 14, 2012, 02:09:21 AM
Gotta be the Mega drive for me.
I just loved this console.There were ton's of great games for it that would keep my busy all day.
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Post by: zapiy on February 14, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
The Megadrive was a close second.. Had some awesome games i must admit.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: tomwaits on February 14, 2012, 14:57:18 PM
The Japanese Saturn is my all-time favorite console. (Dreamcast and Genesis are great too)

To me, the Japanese Saturn library is the pinnacle of 2D gaming with amazing games across all genres. esp. shmups and fighting games :)
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: zapiy on February 14, 2012, 16:17:04 PM
That's an area I need to look at then. That's the beauty of retro gaming. Learning something new each day.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on February 14, 2012, 19:12:59 PM
Quote from: "tomwaits"The Japanese Saturn is my all-time favorite console. (Dreamcast and Genesis are great too)

To me, the Japanese Saturn library is the pinnacle of 2D gaming with amazing games across all genres. esp. shmups and fighting games :)

I just bought several new Jap Saturn games this week!
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Post by: dubchaser on February 14, 2012, 20:00:10 PM
Mega Drive.  It's the first system I truely got into.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: tomwaits on February 15, 2012, 14:15:59 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "tomwaits"The Japanese Saturn is my all-time favorite console. (Dreamcast and Genesis are great too)

To me, the Japanese Saturn library is the pinnacle of 2D gaming with amazing games across all genres. esp. shmups and fighting games :)

I just bought several new Jap Saturn games this week!

Which games did you buy?
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on February 15, 2012, 19:30:58 PM
I actually got them today!!!!! They took less than a week to get here!!!!  ;D

This is what I bought:

Space Invaders - Because I love all the versions I have ever played of this, although I know nothing about the Saturn one so I hope I am not disappointed by it!

Hat Trick Hero S - This is one of my favourite arcade games ever so I was over the moon when I found out there was a Saturn port of it as I thought it never came out on a home system!

Real Bout Fatal Fury Special - I always liked the Neo Geo versions of Fatal Fury and even the Megadrive port too so thought I would get this too because it was really damn cheap!

Dead Or Alive - I clearly remember salivating over this game when I saw it previewed in the Official Sega Saturn Magazine over here. It was a really nice price too so decieded to pick it up.

All of those for less than £25 with the postage!
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: AmigaJay on February 18, 2012, 21:38:37 PM
Has to be Megadrive, after the late start of the Master System after the NES, Sega needed something to counter Nintendo, and it came back with the coolest machine on the block which every self respecting gamer owned!
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Post by: DreamcastRIP on March 04, 2012, 20:59:35 PM
Dreamcast. Because I said so! ;D
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Post by: CeefaxOfDelphi on March 04, 2012, 23:01:53 PM
megadrive here. Though i've yet to explore Dreamcast yet, but
first loves and all that.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on March 14, 2012, 12:52:05 PM
my fairly obviously answer was the DC, I truly love and adore the MD and Saturn still even today but the Dreamcast was the first console I bought on release and I poured my heart and soul into my collection and the DC absolutely never disappointed. I'd have to say that, as far as consoles go, its always going to represent the absolute pinnacle of what a console should be, one word; fun
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on June 14, 2012, 22:15:38 PM
Not surprised to see the Megadrive ahead but thought it might be a bit closer.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on June 14, 2012, 22:26:12 PM
probably because more people on here were young when they got their MD... I was a bit late and as I got my DC from Launch and pored a lot of time and effort into it its definitely my fave lol
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on July 02, 2012, 21:47:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fHVpYeJWSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fHVpYeJWSU)
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: onthinice on August 08, 2012, 05:02:05 AM
The Megadrive/Genesis for me. Two words: Blast Processing. ;D
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on August 08, 2012, 09:15:23 AM
lol, "Blast Processing"  :o
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on August 08, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"lol, "Blast Processing"  :o

The funny thing is that there is actually a very small amount of truth to it! The term is refering to the fact the Mega Drive / Genesis does everything through it's main processor on a fast 16-bit bus, the only hardware assistance is for scrolling and sound. The Motorola 68000 CPU in the MD is clocked at 7.6 Mhz and is incredibly efficient. The SNES uses a set of custom chips to take the work load off the super slow CPU, a 65816 clocked at just 3.5 Mhz (same speed as the ZX Spectrum!).  To make things worse the SNES only has an 8-bit data bus which slows things down further putting an even bigger workoad on the custom chips. This is another reason why SNES games often had an extra processor on the cartridge, making them more expensive. The SNES never could have done a Sonic game like the Mega Drive because it just wasn't fast enough and this the story behind "Blast Processing" in technical terms!
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Post by: dcultrapro on August 08, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
awesome, pretty interesting stuff, all that technical detail stuff is way out of my league lol, I understand what your saying but if I were to try and remember all that and understand meaning behind it, it wouldn't work
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on August 08, 2012, 13:18:59 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"awesome, pretty interesting stuff, all that technical detail stuff is way out of my league lol, I understand what your saying but if I were to try and remember all that and understand meaning behind it, it wouldn't work

Simple terms:

Mega Drive = FAST

SNES = SLOW

 ;D
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on August 08, 2012, 16:55:41 PM
got it lol

but yeah, I still think the DC was the best, but I will, one day, go into more details as to which consoles are my fave on my channel ;)
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Post by: Shadowrunner on August 08, 2012, 19:09:06 PM
It was a tough decision between the Mega Drive and the Dreamcast but in the end I chose the Dreamcast.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: onthinice on August 09, 2012, 03:53:32 AM
Ok!
But do you not just like to say Blast Processing? Much better than Now you are Playing with Power.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on August 09, 2012, 09:23:33 AM
or... "Dreamcast... ITS THINKING" ;)
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: zapiy on August 09, 2012, 11:08:45 AM
Dreamcast is the best for me, mainly down to the complete package that it offers. Small and powerful, perfect controllers, games catalogue, online gaming. It pretty much was a complete console package.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on August 09, 2012, 11:37:32 AM
yeah it was the nuts, and yesterday I just realised what a dumass I was being with my current setup

Ok so I moved my DC to the Spare room where my uber powerful pc is, I did this so I could easily capture my video, and the pc is more efficient and more powerful than my laptop so it made sense

so at the moment I've only been playing my dc (and all the other consoles I wanna capture from) via RCA which connects to a USB dongle and then I watch it on the PC via the capture software.

I realised yesterday that my pc connects to the awesome Hanns-g monitor that I have via DVI and that the VGA port is being completely neglected and so I have now set it up so I can hot swap between the RCA to pc and the VGA to monitor whenever I need to (for when games don't support 60hz or when I wanna capture), I was playing Gunlord in all its wonderful VGA Glory last night. and as the monitor has built in speakers I just plug it in that... so yeah, it was awesome.

I also hooked it back up to the broadband so I could play PSO online again as the hub is right next to my monitor, it all makes PERFECT sense now!!
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on August 09, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8)
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: onthinice on August 10, 2012, 05:10:31 AM
Pretty cool! Sounds like someones Dreamcast does what the others don't!
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on August 10, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
lol, it definitely does, its picture was SOOO much cleaner and sharper than the dismal grey POS that was PS2... I just need a new VGA box so I can swap from VGA on the monitor to RCA via the capture device without actually having to unplug anything... I bought one yesterday, CAN'T WAIT!!
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: onthinice on August 11, 2012, 03:06:58 AM
Great! I have to admit the Dreamcast has one strong controller. Well I do not play the DC as much as I should so one tends to forget. With the rumble pack and memory pack that thing is heavy and could be used as a weapon.

Two Dreamcast controllers that way and nobody would mess with you. :)
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on August 11, 2012, 10:23:52 AM
lol, yeah? have you seen the Mad Catz controllers? they are like twice the size of the originals... lethal weapons!!
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: onthinice on August 14, 2012, 16:14:53 PM
Wow thought the Dreamcast controllers were big! The makers must have been trying to cover
every hand size. DC controller too small try these. Lol.

I have two light guns the Interact Starfire and the DC mini gun. Another case of covering every hand size.
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on November 09, 2012, 19:04:49 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"lol, yeah? have you seen the Mad Catz controllers? they are like twice the size of the originals... lethal weapons!!

After seeing yours I really want one, I prefer them to the regular DC controllers
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Post by: dougtitchmarsh on November 09, 2012, 19:52:33 PM
I was torn between Master System and Megadrive for this vote. Master System has a special place because it was the first console I'd bought for many years when I got it. But the Megadrive had a real WOW! factor when I bought it (despite the fact it had no bundled game and I had to buy Sonic for extra cash back then) and plugged it in at home. The Megadrive just clinched it.
I was a little late getting the Dreamcast, bought it second hand and the system was already dead in the water when I got it. Great console though and another leap forward even from the Saturn.
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: Flukesy on November 10, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
Dreamcast for me. Playing Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike with a superb controller for 1vs1 fighting. Absolutely brilliant.

Shenmue need I say more
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: nakamura on November 10, 2012, 14:53:42 PM
The Megadrive was easily the best Sega console. Awesome games from Sega and masses of excellent third party support. Stunning RGB output and nice and comfortable controllers.
After this each console became progressively worse, ending with the ambitious but poorly designed Dreamcast.
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Post by: dcultrapro on November 11, 2012, 14:51:35 PM
Dreamcast certainly wasn't poorly designed... it was poorly received by the public who had a bad taste in their mouths but nothing about the DC was poor in terms of its design or execution, Dreamcast was years ahead of its time and paved the way for modern consoles, it was only shafted because EA didn't support it and Sony sold millions of ps2's because everyone wanted a cheap dvd player at the time. Definitely DC was the best Sega console for me with Saturn second
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on November 11, 2012, 14:58:15 PM
Quote from: "dcultrapro"Dreamcast certainly wasn't poorly designed... it was poorly received by the public who had a bad taste in their mouths but nothing about the DC was poor in terms of its design or execution, Dreamcast was years ahead of its time and paved the way for modern consoles, it was only shafted because EA didn't support it and Sony sold millions of ps2's because everyone wanted a cheap dvd player at the time. Definitely DC was the best Sega console for me with Saturn second

There is one element of the Dreamcast design that is very poor, the ability to easily pirate games and play them. Sega should have used far better copy protection on the console as piracy was one of the big causes of its downfall.
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Post by: dcultrapro on November 11, 2012, 15:21:04 PM
I wouldn't have said Piracy was one of the biggest causes of its downfall but yeah it was fairly easy to run burnt discs on it. But that was only the first revision of the console, the later model/revisions prevented it from being possible without some serious fucking around lol
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: Flukesy on November 11, 2012, 17:40:20 PM
I think the Dreamcast design and execution was fantastic, but the timing may have been the problem.
The competition around at that time was massive but the machine itself by many accounts was underestimated
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: Flukesy on November 11, 2012, 17:42:38 PM
I don't think piracy was the killer of the DC, in some ways it can help funnily enough.
Playstation piracy for both the first and second consoles was rife
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on November 11, 2012, 17:58:49 PM
Sega have stated themselves several times that it was a big problem. Hardware sales for the Dreamcast were excellent, software sales were not - one of the reasons EA didn't want in.

You had to mod a PlayStation to play pirates but with the DC it was nothing more than using another CD and swapping it.
Title: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: Flukesy on November 11, 2012, 18:08:45 PM
Yeah I suppose your right I loved the DC just wish it would of had more success
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Post by: zapiy on November 11, 2012, 18:10:15 PM
Sega would as do others mate.. i doubt piracy caused any issues.. Hell you can easily do that with all consoles..
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: TL on November 11, 2012, 18:37:30 PM
Quote from: "zapiy"Sega would as do others mate.. i doubt piracy caused any issues.. Hell you can easily do that with all consoles..

It did mate, they have been quoted saying it.

The PS1 had those black CD's making them impossible to replicate so you had to pay to mod your PS1 if you wanted to play pirates and that would invalidate the warranty so put lots of people off.

The Saturn had copy protection built into the BIOS of the system that also needed a modchip or expensive (back then) cartridge to bypass it.

The N64 used carts and the Game Cube after used a proprietary system so couldn't be replicated easily.

Sega tried to save money by not adding proper protection against piracy and it bit them on the arse.
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Post by: zapiy on November 11, 2012, 18:46:14 PM
I see what your saying pal but all consoles not just you have named can be hacked at all varying degrees..

Take the DS, the most popular Handheld of all time, easiest thing to hack.
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Post by: dcultrapro on November 11, 2012, 23:11:03 PM
When the DC first came out I doubt piracy was a big deal I mean most people weren't that clued up on these things until later when the internet became more widely used and the proliferation of information like this grew, I didn't know you could burn copies of games on the DC until about 2004!! Still it definitely hurt there sales and seeing as how badly the DC did by comparison to the PS2 every little will have helped, they should've taken more precautions
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: Crusto on February 18, 2013, 00:22:17 AM
It has to be the MD for me, it got everything right. Apart from the last battle  :o
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Post by: davyk on February 18, 2013, 01:13:30 AM
I genuinely find it impossible to separate Saturn and Dreamcast - it's like asking which of my kids is my favourite.

Favourite Sony or Nintendo console? Easy - can't do it for Sega though
Title: Re: What Was The Best Sega Console?
Post by: dcultrapro on February 18, 2013, 13:07:14 PM
yeah I'm finding this to be a tougher question now, I think its still the Dreamcast because there's a lot of sentimental attachment for me, I was with the DC from the start to finish and still with it now, but I know the game library inside and out and it doesn't really have anything new for me, whereas with the Saturn I thought I had seen all it had to offer but the game library of the Saturn is awesome!!

The Dreamcast was very much about more fun/jump in and play etc and a lot of them were very colourful, vibrant and unique, such as Samba De Amigo etc, but the Saturn has a much more even spread of deep action games of all types of genres, a genre the Dreamcast didn't really support to well. I mean the DC has Headhunter, Resident Evils, couple of others that are good but most of them are either arcade style ala Powerstone or Dynamite Cop, or they are simple shovelwear shite such as Fighting Force, Urban Chaos, shoddy ports of PS1 games that just look cack on the DC

at least with the Saturn I can play a ridiculously wide variety of J-RPGs, 2d fighters, but there is a very healthy smuttering of awesome action, like AMOK, Solar Eclipse, Darklight Conflict, Quake, Hexen, Duke Nukem 3D, Crusader No Remorse, Loaded, Panzer Dragoon, Dragonforce, Dark Saviour, Deep Fear, Enemy Zero etc etc, the list goes on! Gungriffon, Thunderforce, Die Hard Trilogy, Alien Trilogy...

so I'm definitely very torn at the moment between Saturn and DC for favourite Sega console lol