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Quote from: "Jag_Slave"We actually have been playing with how to implement it into a game using the same kind of idea...

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"Ah true true! No we are just playing around with CRY lighting (which blobs uses).

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"Thats excatly what we are messing with! Water and clouds, fog, and windows

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"Well theres a whole boat load of them on JS2 today. Jesus

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"So far I am victorious! Well if thats what its called... Its funny, I come to this site very casually and its like a breath of fresh air.

Quote from: "The Laird"A guy on You Tube has been uploading loads of technical demo's for the Jaguar, some of them are really good.

I especially like the second one here, it would make a great engine for a game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXpLCcQ-g_E&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXpLCcQ-g_E&feature=plcp)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AWUmt-7 ... ure=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AWUmt-7EPc&feature=relmfu)

Quote from: "dcultrapro"SICK!! Whatever happened to that LOBO game? when was that issue of EDGE published mate? excellent find

Quote from: "dcultrapro"very nice Laird, is it all yours? is that Jag-ware an event? or just the name of the accessories? I apologise if I'm being dim but my memory IS shit lol

Quote from: "dcultrapro"nice, I've got the Jaguar Guide book, its a good read when you need a laugh lol

Quote from: "dcultrapro"nice, got any jaguar video requests at all mate? I'm doing more DC stuff but wanna throw a few more Jag vids in there too, and hopefully Saturn.

I was going to do some vids for the following over the coming months; Phase Zero, Skyhammer, Robinsons Requiem, I was going to try capture my first attempts at mutant penguins, Baldies and a few others I've never actually played, you know which games I've got though so if you want to see anything let me know

Quote from: "dcultrapro"oh yeah, shit, I still need to burn that. I'll try and make a point to do it tonight, does it need Discjuggler right?

Quote from: "dcultrapro"raw write turned?? me confoosed lol, should be cool I'll give it a go tonight

Quote from: "dcultrapro"sa-weet! do you still have a CDI for Soul Star on Jag I wanna burn it again onto a new disc that I can print artwork onto! no worries if not I can probably find it somewhere on the net, thanks bud

Quote from: "dcultrapro"cool thanks bud

have you ever played Robinsons Requiem then mate? I am tempted to do a vid of my first try but am probably gonna suck big time, I want the vid to get views but if I play it like a tard I dunno if that will happen lol

Quote from: "TrekMD"That Tube SE looks great!

Quote from: "dcultrapro"if your all very nice I might make a video tonight, I successfully wrote a disc today

Quote from: "dcultrapro"seems the burn may have failed, the sound is farked lol

wonderful! now I'm home I'm having issues installing Discjuggler, it keeps saying after nearly finishing that I have to restart my machine. I've tried 3 times from 3 different sites, same shit. and restarting does nothing. phuket

Quote from: "dcultrapro"nevermind I solved it, my usb connection was playing up!! I just got it working and played the first 9 maps before I started seeing funny lights and hearing a buzzing sound lol, it is pretty awesome and your vision just kinda blurs. will try and upload it shortly 8)

Quote from: "Greyfox"Very nice TubeSE cover mate, very professional, your certainly beginning to shine like a diamond now, did you do the text style on the front cover yourself?.. And I know continuelty has to be maintained, but I feel the jag cd template is so basic to begin with, that's it is near impossible to make anything look spectacular because of it's standard unoriginal format. But I have to say you are making them look very commercial none the less..DR.Typo Would be proud of your efforts!

But I still you should go all out, dump that standard jag cd look and create your own or your vision of what a jag cd game would look today if they where still doing them.

Quote from: "dcultrapro"see I'd have just said "yeah thanks, I like to think my skills are growing" lol nah I wouldn't take cred only kidding lol, Laird did you say you might do one yourself for Tube sometime? I'm looking to print the cover and disc art for it for my copy

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Quote from: "Greyfox"Very nice TubeSE cover mate, very professional, your certainly beginning to shine like a diamond now, did you do the text style on the front cover yourself?.. And I know continuelty has to be maintained, but I feel the jag cd template is so basic to begin with, that's it is near impossible to make anything look spectacular because of it's standard unoriginal format. But I have to say you are making them look very commercial none the less..DR.Typo Would be proud of your efforts!

But I still you should go all out, dump that standard jag cd look and create your own or your vision of what a jag cd game would look today if they where still doing them.

Thats not my cover as I already said.

Quote from: "The Laird"Yeah very well put together, this guy has also uploaded the entire soundtrack to Super Burnout!!!

Quote from: "TrekMD"That does look cool.  What happened to it?

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Quote from: "TrekMD"That does look cool.  What happened to it?

Was never finished, Carl Forhan got hold of it but said he didn't have the know how to finish it himself and offered it out to other people but nobody took him up

Quote from: "dcultrapro"I need to check that review out sometime, haven't had a chance lately.

Hey Laird have you got any more homebrews you want me to look into? I know about Blackout, any others? I really liked Tube as it goes

Quote from: "dcultrapro"Yeah I just don't know if I can be arsed to play around with Blackout, I don't fancy puzzle games they normally irritate me, take Wetrix for example lol, but yeah send me some names and we can look into them

remind me, can you save progress in Skyhammer and Hoverstrike again? I can't remember

Quote from: "dcultrapro"nice, yeah I saw something about the non PAL thing, not good... are they the only other homebrews at the moment? I thought there was a lot more than that

Quote from: "TrekMD"That is cool!  I don't even want to imagine how much it would cost to get one of those now.  Any idea of how many were made?

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Quote from: "TrekMD"That is cool!  I don't even want to imagine how much it would cost to get one of those now.  Any idea of how many were made?

There are 2 complete and fully working prototypes, one in Europe and one in the US.

I was lucky enough to play on one of these a few times over the years at the Jagfest events.

Quote from: "The Laird"I honestly have to say it was incredible, the experience was amazing.

It works really well and didn't make me feel dizzy or anything, the helmet is pretty comfortable too and not as heavy as you would expect.

Shame there is only one game out there that can be used with it.

Quote from: "dcultrapro"isn't it just mono-tonal colours though? as in Red and black or shades of green etc? I'd really love to play on one of these just to say I've done it... is it any better or worse than the virtua boy thats basically the same thing only a standalone system?

Quote from: "dcultrapro"oh right I think you told me that before, so does it actually improve the game? what happens when you turn your head? it recognises and translates it?

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Quote from: "dcultrapro"oh right I think you told me that before, so does it actually improve the game? what happens when you turn your head? it recognises and translates it?

Yes it does improve it, when you turn your head the game moves with you as if you were pressing that direction on the controller, you only need to use the fire buttons on the pad.

Quote from: "zapiy"Thats amazing, i remember reading about these years ago.. I knew there were some prototypes about.. Would love Atari to show us more of this stuff though.

Quote from: "TrekMD"That looks great!  Boy, he's learning by leaps and bounds.  I am looking forward to his next game!

Quote from: "dougtitchmarsh"A bit miffed at the moment as I bought Zool 2 for the Jaguar on a large auction site and a month later it's still not here and the seller isn't responding to any messages.
On a brighter note I unboxed the Jaguar and had a play of the one game I do have, Bubsy. Now I need a few more games for it.

Quote from: "dougtitchmarsh"Yeah I've heard that Bubsy isn't a great game, I wanted a couple more to make the Jaguar look good as hopefully I am getting the spare room soon to house and use my consoles etc.
As for Zool 2 I launched a dispute, and today it was escalated to the customer dispute team or whatever they're called. Wait 48 hours now to see what the outcome is.

Quote from: "The Laird"I hear that if the newly released Impulse X is a success Duranik will do a big project for the Jaguar!

For those who don't know Duranik did the original version of Impulse on the Atari Falcon but they are now most famous for Alpine Games on the Lynx and Sturmwind on the Dreamcast.

I would love them to go back and complete Native 

Quote from: "The Laird"I hear that if the newly released Impulse X is a success Duranik will do a big project for the Jaguar!

For those who don't know Duranik did the original version of Impulse on the Atari Falcon but they are now most famous for Alpine Games on the Lynx and Sturmwind on the Dreamcast.

I would love them to go back and complete Native 

Quote from: "Bobinator"Is Attack of the Mutant Penguins any good? I was figuring if I ever had the money for a Jaguar it'd probably be one of the first games I get. Something about it gives me a big Toejam & Earl vibe, which is always a plus point in my book.

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Quote from: "dougtitchmarsh"As for Zool 2 I launched a dispute, and today it was escalated to the customer dispute team or whatever they're called. Wait 48 hours now to see what the outcome is.

Good luck with that.  Hopefully you get your money back and can order the game from someone else.

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Just read elsewhere that a physical release of Kobayashi Maru is coming out next week. From what I have seen it looks like a lot like Time Pilot which I used to love playing in the arcade. Also like Laird mentioned in another thread it has rotary control support too. Here's a link to the website that is going to be selling them http://www.rgcd.co.uk/ (http://www.rgcd.co.uk/)

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Just read elsewhere that a physical release of Kobayashi Maru is coming out next week. From what I have seen it looks like a lot like Time Pilot which I used to love playing in the arcade. Also like Laird mentioned in another thread it has rotary control support too. Here's a link to the website that is going to be selling them http://www.rgcd.co.uk/ (http://www.rgcd.co.uk/)

Also Rebooteroids will be seeing a release from this same vendor if I read correctly.  It appears both games have had enhancements made as well.

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Just read elsewhere that a physical release of Kobayashi Maru is coming out next week. From what I have seen it looks like a lot like Time Pilot which I used to love playing in the arcade. Also like Laird mentioned in another thread it has rotary control support too. Here's a link to the website that is going to be selling them http://www.rgcd.co.uk/ (http://www.rgcd.co.uk/)

Quote from: "The Laird"I would assume that Joust was going to be part of Dactyl Joust, the Joust update.

Conan was by the same team as Super Burnout and was apparently only about 25% complete, the coders said the game is lost.

Tiny Toons has been released as a prototype. The original game was cancelled because Atari thought it was rubbish. It was re-started as a different game by a different team but never got very far before the license ran out and Atari decieded not to renew it.

Quote from: "onthinice"Thanks Shadowrunner! I liked to play the Mega Drive/Genesis Tiny Toons games. So I would rather have a good game release then a stinker.

Quote from: "The Laird"I would assume that Joust was going to be part of Dactyl Joust, the Joust update.

Conan was by the same team as Super Burnout and was apparently only about 25% complete, the coders said the game is lost.

Tiny Toons has been released as a prototype. The original game was cancelled because Atari thought it was rubbish. It was re-started as a different game by a different team but never got very far before the license ran out and Atari decieded not to renew it.

Quote from: "onthinice"I like those games! I have most of the Looney Tunes game for the Nes, Snes and Genesis. They both look better even the unfinished one. The Taz games on the Super Nes and Genesis were not all that good but were released. Wonder why Atari released Checkered Flag and not Tiny Toons?

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Quote from: "onthinice"I like those games! I have most of the Looney Tunes game for the Nes, Snes and Genesis. They both look better even the unfinished one. The Taz games on the Super Nes and Genesis were not all that good but were released. Wonder why Atari released Checkered Flag and not Tiny Toons?

Because Checkered Flag does actually look good and isn't that bad to play once you get the hang of it

Quote from: "dcultrapro"probably a good thing I've never played the lynx one then lol

Quote from: "The Laird"I came across this today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 7eVhfQFEok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o7eVhfQFEok)

Atari Jaguar - by Tripper Getem

What's best is that this has actually been turned into a ROM image for the Jaguar than can be put on a cart or Skunkboard and played!

The author's site is HERE! (//http)

Quote from: "onthinice"After seeing some of the Jaguar racing games in another post.

I wanted to ask a couple of questions.

Could the Jaguar have achieved a Need for Speed type game similar to the 3DO and would better racing game graphics even be possible?

If not on the stock Jaguar then what about on the Jag CD?

Quote from: "onthinice"Thanks! So maybe something closer to the Mega CD racing game Jaguar XJ 220?

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Quote from: "onthinice"After seeing some of the Jaguar racing games in another post.

I wanted to ask a couple of questions.

Could the Jaguar have achieved a Need for Speed type game similar to the 3DO and would better racing game graphics even be possible?

If not on the stock Jaguar then what about on the Jag CD?

Need For Speed was planned for the Jaguar but never released.

There is no doubt it could do it but there would be trade-offs versus the 3DO version. The Jaguar doesn't have hardware texture mapping like the 3DO and can't render as many polygons but it is faster and can display more colours and has higher resolution.

World Tour Racing is the closest thing on the Jaguar really but is an F1 track based racer. Need For Speed follows a single road with just a few bends so doesn't need to render anywhere near as many polygons, just what you can see by the side of the road and vehicles so you could cheat by using a lot of bitmaps instead. Road Rash on the 3DO does that but not sure about Need For Speed.

Quote from: "AmigaJay"Personally I'm not sure if they could have pulled it off, I mean it could have looked good, but I imagine the framerate would have to take a hit, as with other Jag games with lots of texture mapping....I guess we will never know I don't suppose anyone knows how far the Jag version got ?

Quote from: "AmigaJay"Personally I'm not sure if they could have pulled it off, I mean it could have looked good, but I imagine the framerate would have to take a hit, as with other Jag games with lots of texture mapping....I guess we will never know I don't suppose anyone knows how far the Jag version got ?

Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"I change subject with a news. The hack for Brett Hull Hockey is available for download

This hack includes :

- The stats of over 800 recent NHL players
- new graphics
- Team up to 32 players
- One legend team
- news text commentaries
- 2 new teams
- upgraded individual speed of the players

official news http://reboot.atari.org/new-reboot/news.html (http://reboot.atari.org/new-reboot/news.html)

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Yeah I was going to ask a certain mod to throw this on a disk for me but then I read that wont work    I really need to find one of the original cartridges that were made.

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Yeah I was going to ask a certain mod to throw this on a disk for me but then I read that wont work    I really need to find one of the original cartridges that were made.

I have both the CD and Cart versions of Brett Hull Hockey, it's a rather good game.

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Yeah I was going to ask a certain mod to throw this on a disk for me but then I read that wont work    I really need to find one of the original cartridges that were made.

I have both the CD and Cart versions of Brett Hull Hockey, it's a rather good game.

So is your review based on the cart of the CD? I was led to believe the CD is pretty buggy compared to the cart, is it really that bad?

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Whoops, missed the CD review.
Okay so it sounds like the cart is the way to go and I just found it on the B & C website!
I'd looked before but I was looking for Brett Hull Hockey which isn't listed but now I see they have it listed as Hockey Proto 

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Okay so it sounds like the cart is the way to go

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Okay so it sounds like the cart is the way to go

Yep. I have the aforementioned Jag CD release and, like Laird commented in the review here, the loading times are excruciatingly long and it crashes frequently too. It's nice to own as a curio from a collector's standpoint but if you're buying the game to play it then the cartridge version would be the one to go for.

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Okay so it sounds like the cart is the way to go

Yep. I have the aforementioned Jag CD release and, like Laird commented in the review here, the loading times are excruciatingly long and it crashes frequently too. It's nice to own as a curio from a collector's standpoint but if you're buying the game to play it then the cartridge version would be the one to go for.

Wow, you and Laird are actually agreeing on something  :21:

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Yeah I have seen the FFL beta on cart before and considering the price it goes for this isn't that bad a deal, if a person knew which beta was which that is. I'd really like to know what the Defender 2000 beta is like, I'll have to do some digging and see if I can find any info on it.

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Yeah I have seen the FFL beta on cart before and considering the price it goes for this isn't that bad a deal, if a person knew which beta was which that is. I'd really like to know what the Defender 2000 beta is like, I'll have to do some digging and see if I can find any info on it.

Can always download the ROM from Jaguar Sector II and then try it in Virtual Jaguar. I know for a fact that commercial versions of Defender 2000, Rayman and AVP work on it as I was playing them just this week to get screenshots for an article I have written.  :)

Quote from: "AmigaJay"http://fb.me/274cmJKwS (//http)

New Jag CD homebrew game out now.
Sorry if its posted elsewhere couldn't see it.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...as i've never seen a modern take on Rescue On Fract/Behind Jaggi Lines until now...

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...as i've never seen a modern take on Rescue On Fract/Behind Jaggi Lines until now...

If that could be done for the Jag it would be awesome  :o

Fallen Angels (//http), as Rogue Trooper already mentioned.

Quote from: "Cryptic33"No, I see where you are coming from and you have a point. However, I think for anyone to support the Jaguar these days deserves praise and support. I am disappointed with the homebrews I've seen so far but that is because I know what the machine can do and want the very best that can be programmed.

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...as i've never seen a modern take on Rescue On Fract/Behind Jaggi Lines until now...

If that could be done for the Jag it would be awesome  :o

Fallen Angels (//http), as Rogue Trooper already mentioned.

Oh right, thanks. I don't always read these things right. I will have a look at that though God knows when I'll get a CD unit for my Jag

Quote from: "The Laird"I really don't understand why Dr. Typo hasn't done a commercial release of Fallen Angels or Tube: SE on CD and cartridge. There is nothing to stop these games being played from a cart either, they work perfectly on the Skunkboard.

I am sure if he did release them they would get snapped up very quick.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Couple of questions for Laird:

1)Rumour has it Atari approached Capcom in terms of getting them on board as a Jaguar developer.Any truth in this?

2)Checkered Flag II-Early Jaguar game that was actually coded 'to' the GPU, rather than the 6800, true?

Just curious on both of these-hear so much rumour and speculation over what happened and why on Jaguar, be nice to put a few rumours 'to bed'.

And one more:

3)Jaguar Cannon Fodder, done by team called The Dome, Ex-Amiga coders? (Puggsy, Bob's Bad Day?).

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Couple of questions for Laird:

1)Rumour has it Atari approached Capcom in terms of getting them on board as a Jaguar developer.Any truth in this?

2)Checkered Flag II-Early Jaguar game that was actually coded 'to' the GPU, rather than the 6800, true?

Just curious on both of these-hear so much rumour and speculation over what happened and why on Jaguar, be nice to put a few rumours 'to bed'.

And one more:

3)Jaguar Cannon Fodder, done by team called The Dome, Ex-Amiga coders? (Puggsy, Bob's Bad Day?).

1) Never seen any evidence of this other than C&VG "rumouring it"
2) Not that I know of, Atari kept sending the game back to them from what I was told because it was so bad. In the end they gave up and just released it.
3) Given it's pretty identical to the AGA Amiga version I would say yes most likely.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Big sigh time...This quote from a piece on how the Dreamcast worked (Edge's essential harware guide 2000):


'while far from atari's Jaguar claims (by which it added 4 16 Bit chips together to make, er 64 Bits)....'

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Big sigh time...This quote from a piece on how the Dreamcast worked (Edge's essential harware guide 2000):


'while far from atari's Jaguar claims (by which it added 4 16 Bit chips together to make, er 64 Bits)....'

Comedy gold there, RT. Great find!  :21:

Quote from: "The Laird"I hear that next month's RG will feature a rather fine Jaguar article  . . . . .

Quote from: "The Laird"No idea!  :71:

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Quote from: "The Laird"I hear that next month's RG will feature a rather fine Jaguar article  . . . . .

Ooh wonder what guinea pig they got to write that!?  :78:

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Quote from: "The Laird"I hear that next month's RG will feature a rather fine Jaguar article  . . . . .

Ooh wonder what guinea pig they got to write that!?  :78:

As long as it's not the muppet responsible for such RG magazine debacles as, but not limited to, the infamous NES Collector's Guide because I'm sure the readership don't need to be told that the Jag was only 64-bit on account of it having four 16-bit processors like EDGE magazine once stated! 

Quote from: "The Laird"Don't forget the Jaguar competition we are running everyone!

Also you should see these Jaguar related interviews I am doing, they are pure gold! I just found out about at least 2 more unreleased games I never knew about!!! 

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Quote from: "The Laird"Don't forget the Jaguar competition we are running everyone!

Also you should see these Jaguar related interviews I am doing, they are pure gold! I just found out about at least 2 more unreleased games I never knew about!!!  :10:

Quote from: "TrekMD"Two more unreleased games?!  Are they also lost or are there any bytes of these games that can be found?

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Quote from: "The Laird"Don't forget the Jaguar competition we are running everyone!

Also you should see these Jaguar related interviews I am doing, they are pure gold! I just found out about at least 2 more unreleased games I never knew about!!!  :10:

Ah excellent!  I didn't realize you wrote for it, how very cool.

Quote from: "The Laird"You can always buy the digital version, much cheaper.

Quote from: "Alberto 2K"Noted!

No Lynx article yet??

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Quote from: "Alberto 2K"Noted!

No Lynx article yet??

Not yet! I wish!!!! I have been begging to write one, I did help a bit with the Lynx Effect article they did on Lynx arcade conversions. But that was actually written by the editor Darran Jones.

Quote from: "Alberto 2K"I think you're the proper person to write a Lynx Special, I'm sure you would do a great job.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"As the video was posted by the fucktards (C) I wouldn't waste the time of day viewing it. Nice to see them stealing somebody else's work and trying to take the credit for it once more. Jetpac anyone?

Quote from: "The Laird"Well Hoverstrike CD on the Jag runs at an average of 20 FPS and that is heavily texture mapped. It has been said that the code could have been optimised further to get around 30 FPS. The original Hoverstrike ran at around 12-15 FPS so the CD version was already a big improvement. The source code is out there and the difference was made by moving more code away from the M68000 (with its 16-bit bus) over to the GPU, Blitter and OPL with their 64-bit bus. Hoverstrike CD apparently still uses the M68000 for some things that could also be moved over to improve speed further. Shame that engine was never used more and allowed to progress further as they got to know the Jaguar better and ironed out the kinks.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Big sigh time...This quote from a piece on how the Dreamcast worked (Edge's essential harware guide 2000):


'while far from atari's Jaguar claims (by which it added 4 16 Bit chips together to make, er 64 Bits)....'


It has a 68000 CPU used as a control device.

Tom and Jerry chips are both what 32 Bit RISC chips.

The Object Processor and Blitter are true 64-Bit

It has a 64-Bit Data Bus.

Even Jez San of Argonaut went on record to say the Jaguar used 64-Bit Memory Architecture, so pray tell poorly informed Edge staff writer, just where you got 4 16 Bit chips added together?.Notice in the How It Works section on the PS2, no mention made of it's soundchip, being 2 PS1 soundchips running in parallel...........

Nor that SEGA tried doing some creative maths of it's own claiming at times (see C+VG news report/Jap Saturn TV advert) with Saturn by adding the 2X SH-2's together claiming Saturn had a 64 Bit GPU.....

Quote from: "The Laird"Don't forget the Jaguar competition we are running everyone!

Quote from: "Gorf"If only they were as good at making games as they were at starting trouble with everyone.
Then again, what else can one expect from the princes of knuckle fu@#ing?

Quote from: "Gorf"Now, now....let's not go starting rumors about how great the running code out of main RAM with the GPU is.
You might piss off a few 68k fans who've never even bothered to try it.  :111:

Quote from: "Gorf"Atari Proppa is in need of more members like we have here....just another place you all can come and enjoy with out drama and total BS. Just good conversation and lots of it technical for those inquiring minds.

http://jagmod.com/proper/index.php (//http)

Just read the how to join. I will get to you ASAP.

Hope this does not violate the rules...I would imagine not since this is the Jaguar section.
Forgive in advance if toes were crushed.

Gorf

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Quote from: "The Laird"Don't forget the Jaguar competition we are running everyone!

You have to be a Facebook account holder to 'enter' i'd guess?, so what about those of us who'd love to enter, but won't touch that wretched creation if we live to be thousand?.

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Quote from: "Gorf"Atari Proppa is in need of more members like we have here....just another place you all can come and enjoy with out drama and total BS. Just good conversation and lots of it technical for those inquiring minds.

http://jagmod.com/proper/index.php (//http)

Just read the how to join. I will get to you ASAP.

Hope this does not violate the rules...I would imagine not since this is the Jaguar section.
Forgive in advance if toes were crushed.

Gorf

No problem with me Gorf and I am in charge here 

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Quote from: "The Laird"Don't forget the Jaguar competition we are running everyone!

You have to be a Facebook account holder to 'enter' i'd guess?, so what about those of us who'd love to enter, but won't touch that wretched creation if we live to be thousand?.

I am afraid so, I didn't make the rules! The prizes are being kindly supplied by Focus Gaming, Retro Review and Revival Events. They asked us if we wanted to be involved because it helps us get exposure and because they wanted to link my Jaguar reviews as part of it.

Quote from: "Gorf"Nice to have a place where no BS abounds.

Quote from: "Gorf"Lynx:

For it's time, it was more powerful than just about anything out there. It was simply under developed thanks
to Atari's bad reputation from the 5200 on up to the ST lines. Period! Probably the best designed console hands
down.

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Quote from: "Gorf"Lynx:

For it's time, it was more powerful than just about anything out there. It was simply under developed thanks
to Atari's bad reputation from the 5200 on up to the ST lines. Period! Probably the best designed console hands
down.

This was most unfortunate because the Lynx really was ahead of its time.  I did not become interested in another handheld system until the PSP was released.

Quote from: "TrekMD"

Quote from: "Gorf"Lynx:

For it's time, it was more powerful than just about anything out there. It was simply under developed thanks
to Atari's bad reputation from the 5200 on up to the ST lines. Period! Probably the best designed console hands
down.

This was most unfortunate because the Lynx really was ahead of its time.  I did not become interested in another handheld system until the PSP was released.

Quote from: "TrekMD"Hmm, a Panther made with the same internals as the Lynx?

Quote from: "Gorf"Glad to be here and I hope I can contribute my knowledge and understanding to the folks here.   8)

I will ALWAYS strive to have a polite, intelligent and informative conversation with anyone willing but when
someone starts with the 4 16 bit utter nonsense, you can certainly count on me to call them out, show the facts
and give clear examples of why those that know better are right. Not because I think so, want to be or have to
be. It will be solely based on completely scientific( observed, tested, repeated and falsifiable possibility) of past
experience of my own and mostly others I've trusted over the years that know what they are talking about.

When I haven't a clue about something, I keep my mouth shut and ask those that are known to be and have
proven so what the facts are. I have no inherent need to be right, but when I know I am I will call out and stand
with anyone willing to back me up. :(

Quote from: "Gorf"Now to address some of the other points you brought up RT.

NES :

from what I understand it was not all that popular in the UK according to some of you blokes across the pond.
Can't really speak to that issue but if you want my opinion, I feel if Atari had not dropped the ball, the 7800 would
have crushed it. Nintendo did well because for a small window in time, they were the only new game in town and
many dev's saw this and were willing to play along with the very stupid exclusive contracts of NES dev only, many
of whom regret they did so from what I understand.

This is my understanding of that particular issue....please do correct me if I got anything wrong. :15: ) but the DSP was doomed from the start because it was designed to follow the
width of the host (NOT THE MAIN, (there was no main CPU in the Jaguar)) which was the mistake by using the
68k. It should have been an 020 or a nice cheap but powerful MIPS RISC which already had plenty of good tools.

More hardware bugs are the screwed up OPL interrupts, which were supposed to be able to interrupt any processor
on any line and would have been very much more powerful and flexible bu they turned out not to work that way.
The blitter not having a register cache so that instead of having to poll for it to be ready, one simply could load the
next set of commands to it and move on. Instead most coders, polled the stop bit with the GPU, wasting the GPU's
cycles waiting for the blitter killing performance further. This however with careful coding can be worked around
using interrupts. No one seemed to bother. Exceptions might be Scatologic and Eclipse and maybe one or two others
like the guys who did Phase Zero and Skyhammer.

Lets not forget the inability to run the GPU out in main ram....I did figure this one out but dealing with it
is more work and more time and would have helped no one with the lack of tools to take advantage of it.
Atari was convinced that it could not be done....if only they had talked to me.

The Saturn:

Well, from what I understand had a strange bus setup where processors had to wait on each other and its
poly engine, though hardware could only do quads. No poly engine should ever be limited to quads and MUST
be based on triangles first. Then again it is my understanding that these polygons were nothing more than sprites
and lots of them. They were able to be skewed, rotated and manipulated much like you could with polygons under
a normal 3D renderer allowing for shading and such.

The other thing I hear is they too did not have the greatest of tool chains either. I'm basing this on what others
have told me. The Saturn was a decent system but I feel Sega too rushed it out the door and should have let
the Genny try to keep them alive for a bit more.

32x:
That system was a joke because it was at best a cluster fuck of hardware trying to compete with the Jaguar and 3DO. Like the Saturn the 32x used two very nice SH processors but both were not very well thought out.

The PS1 had all the right stuff from the start but the fact remains is the polygons looked horrible because they
were hardwired and the texturing was affine and awful. Jaguar even though performance wise it was many less
polygons, certainly had much prettier ones than both Saturn and PS1 and this is solely because the Jaguar was
not fully reliant on hardware and allowed for a much wider range of effects in line with each line of the polygon
draw one at a time with the blitter. The draw back of this is many less polygons per frame. This was supposedly
corrected on the Jag II who's blitter was able to draw a triangle in one set of commands.


Every system had their strengths and their weaknesses, the Saturn and Jaguar totally kicked the PS1's ass in
for 2D and pixel and line drawing, Jaguar being the superior of these in many ways. The PS1's biggest asset
was its ability to put up tons of polygons per frame but it was done at a cost. The Jaguar was by far the most
capable as far as raw computational power with both J-RISC's able to run simultaniuosly in their locals while the
68k did so in the main ram. This however cause ton of bus contentions for the 64 bit parts of the system because
the 68k runs at half the speed of the system and 75% less the bus width. Every time the 68k does anything it
unfortunately takes priority and chokes the devil or of the systems bus. This is another reason why many less
polygons are able to be displayed per frame. REmove it from the bus with a stop instruction and the performance
jumps up significantly.


Lynx:

For it's time, it was more powerful than just about anything out there. It was simply under developed thanks
to Atari's bad reputation from the 5200 on up to the ST lines. Period! Probably the best designed console hands
down.

Quote from: "TrekMD"It may have been too late for Atari even if they had released a console with the Lynx specs.  Too bad really.  They did release good systems towards the end of their run but the support just wasn't there.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...Still, you read a UK games publication now and you'd think we were sat around throwing our own shit at each other, such was the poor quality of software avaiable to us here in UK with our funny little Spectrums etc and thank the lord Nintendo saw our plight etc etc.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...Still, you read a UK games publication now and you'd think we were sat around throwing our own shit at each other, such was the poor quality of software avaiable to us here in UK with our funny little Spectrums etc and thank the lord Nintendo saw our plight etc etc.

Indeed. Although I suspect it was only Amstrad CPC owners who did that!

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Disclaimer:Not all CPC owners can be painted with same brush...even if it is a snmall, brightly coloured, slow moving brush....

:-)

Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Disclaimer:Not all CPC owners can be painted with same brush...even if it is a snmall, brightly coloured, slow moving brush....

:-)

Best comment ever! 

Quote from: "TrekMD"Hmm, a Panther made with the same internals as the Lynx?

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"NES basically arrived way too late over here to make an impact.Nintendo offering up arcade conversions of games we'd hammered on C64/Speccy etc for fraction of the price of a NES cart and in case of say a C64 version, more often far better music.We had our eyes on the ST, the Amiga the MD, the PC Engine etc.Still, you read a UK games publication now and you'd think we were sat around throwing our own shit at each other, such was the poor quality of software avaiable to us here in UK with our funny little Spectrums etc and thank the lord Nintendo saw our plight etc etc.

Jaguar:ATARI seemed to switch from attitude of it'll rip the guts out of the SNES+MD to OMG here's PS1/Saturn, Jaguar needs to compete, which was huge mistake, plus you had the very fickle UK press suckling up to which ever teat was dropped into their gaping maws at the time.3DO and Jaguar soon became 'yesterdays news' and suddenly everything had to be ultra fast 3D yadda yadda.Rise of the lads mag type Playstation magazines only made matters worse.Lot of vocal posters (it's shit, only has 5 good games, Joypads are worse ever) etc have at best, played on one briefly.They did'nt own one back in the day, so were'nt aware of Jag games that say ran in 65,000 colours compared to what the PS/Saturn versions ran at

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "TrekMD"Hmm, a Panther made with the same internals as the Lynx?

Panther was a disaster waiting to happen. It was rumored to only having 32 k of memory?
That right there would have doomed it regardless of the sound and GFX chips. It would have
had little system memory to take real advantage of all that other hardware. how are you going
to control 65536 sprites of any size with only 32 k of RAM. Seriously? Now if the Panther was
to have 512k or 1 meg, then that may have been a different story, but everything I've heard
suggested 32k. Jaguar was the best choice with serious design flaws. Had they gave at very
least the 68k its own private RAM, say 128/256k, that would have gone a very long way to
allow the real horse power to do it's job unabated. The power houses would have had priority
over the main 64 bit bus, never seeing a choke, a fixed GPU allowing for proper interrupt control
of the OPL, a blitter with a small 2k cache for instruction lists or at very least, allow the blitter to
point to the 2 megs of ram for a list, so it did not need the GPU to wait for it to feed it more.

Some very minor changes like these would have made some very major differences in getting
serious performance out of the Tom and Jerry, which in their own right were killer chips even
with some of the flaws. They were constantly choked by the 68k and careless lazy coding.

Quote from: "Gorf"It's almost not off topic to discuss the Panther in a Jaguar thread due to its very close relation
and it tends to be almost difficult not to bring it up under certain conditions.

..with that said...

@ RT

Yeah, I too saw all the potential games planned for the Jaguar and the fact that it had a wide data bus, two
RISC chips, a blitter AND sprite engine was enough for me to buy it as soon as I was able to afford it.

I could care less what the specs were to any system...if all you were to offer me were ports of ST/Amiga games
I would have gladly passed and I'm not at all alone in this. Jaguar was showing its balls as far as proposed software and it was all I needed to know....however as usual...Atari eff'ed up magnificently once again. I was hoping for more updated to 3D classics of all the old Atari hits and got 2 maybe 3. Very disappointing.

Our games we were working on for the Jag were an attempt to rectify this. We do have some very impressive start up project and lots of them are pretty famn good looking.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"@Gorf:recal EDGE early preview of Jaguar hardware and them saying something along lines of ATARI seemed to have had enough of taking flak for thier hardware lacking powerful custom chips as the Jaguar has lots of them.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Do you know IF work was ever started on MK3 and ever seen anything on Quake on Jaguar?.

Quote from: "The Laird"Was shown in C&VG and in some of those pull-outs they gave away in other mags.

I also know people who actually played it at the CES. Songbird were trying to get the game off Midway at one point but not sure the specific reasons why nothing came of it, Carl Forhan was always very coy about it. This was around the same time he secured the rights to release Total Carnage for the Jaguar, another unreleased Midway game.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "The Laird"Was shown in C&VG and in some of those pull-outs they gave away in other mags.

I also know people who actually played it at the CES. Songbird were trying to get the game off Midway at one point but not sure the specific reasons why nothing came of it, Carl Forhan was always very coy about it. This was around the same time he secured the rights to release Total Carnage for the Jaguar, another unreleased Midway game.

seen Total Carnage on Jaguar, but MK3? nothing, but then Atari's P.R statement claimed Iguana had signed up for Jaguar and were bringing over 1st MK due for June '94 release.No idea how 'true' that was.

How did Jaguar version stand up, say next to MK 2 on 32X?

Quote from: "The Laird"Jaguar MK3 was reportedly arcade perfect.

There is a screenshot and press clipping here:

http://www.cyberroach.com/jaguarcd/html/mk3.htm (//http)

MK2 was announced for Lynx

Quote from: "The Laird"I will just repeat myself, it was covered in numerous magazines including C&VG and those pull-outs.

(http://i.imgur.com/XhEBzRY.jpg)   (http://i.imgur.com/zIgaYZF.jpg)

Quote from: "The Laird"No idea, I don't remember exact details but believe what you want. I know people who have actually seen it and at least one person who has been trying to secure the rights to release it.

Quote from: "The Laird"No idea, I don't remember exact details but believe what you want. I know people who have actually seen it and at least one person who has been trying to secure the rights to release it.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "Gorf"It's almost not off topic to discuss the Panther in a Jaguar thread due to its very close relation
and it tends to be almost difficult not to bring it up under certain conditions.

..with that said...

@ RT

Yeah, I too saw all the potential games planned for the Jaguar and the fact that it had a wide data bus, two
RISC chips, a blitter AND sprite engine was enough for me to buy it as soon as I was able to afford it.

I could care less what the specs were to any system...if all you were to offer me were ports of ST/Amiga games
I would have gladly passed and I'm not at all alone in this. Jaguar was showing its balls as far as proposed software and it was all I needed to know....however as usual...Atari eff'ed up magnificently once again. I was hoping for more updated to 3D classics of all the old Atari hits and got 2 maybe 3. Very disappointing.

Our games we were working on for the Jag were an attempt to rectify this. We do have some very impressive start up project and lots of them are pretty famn good looking.

:-) Discussion on Panther is all good, i don't mind which thread it's in myself.

@Gorf:recal EDGE early preview of Jaguar hardware and them saying something along lines of ATARI seemed to have had enough of taking flak for thier hardware lacking powerful custom chips as the Jaguar has lots of them.

Yep as soon as i was reading in likes of Zero etc of the 'ST Console' my heart sank, back then i feared another case of ATARI taking a micro's innards (ST this time), chucking it in new designed case, no keyboard (that would be sold on it's own and you might have to buy a module to use it) and that would be that, was huge relief when i read it was'nt that at all, but using powerful custom chips of it's own.Did sound amazing on Paper.


I used to write to ATARI H.Q an awful lot during my Jaguar owning days, basically trying to cut through the B.S i was reading in gaming mags as i wanted to know what was happening with so many games, not least those i saw in that 'Let The Games Begin' advert and just what classics i could expect to see in the '2000' range.


Tempest was outstanding, Defender, very dissapointing, but then personally feel Minter was wrong person to do it and since then the PS2/XBOIX/GC update was just as bad, Joust never arrived, think Battlezone and Space War morphed into other titles, Missile Command seemed design for VR play more than stand alone, Breakout...hmmn...never played, but did'nt quite seem like what i was expecting, but they missed out so many titles.

Do you know IF work was ever started on MK3 and ever seen anything on Quake on Jaguar?.

Looking forward to your work, been fantastic just chatting on subjects already.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Re:The (understandable) desire to see Jaguar homebrew that really showcases the hardware and what it could do:

I know where your coming from, it would be fantastic if the Jaguar was to recieve a slew of stunning homebrew games, that made a lot of the doubters sit up and take notice, things that would hopefully put paid to the crap i see sprouted on RG forum from time to time about how shit the hardware was, how it only had 5 good games etc and a lot of Jaguar fans would be very happy to discover and enjoy.

QuoteSeen on here when Laird showed Robinsons Req.and posted interview with coder etc and even when the talk was of coding for the Jaguar hardware, how 3D Engine  was 1 of the best, if not the best on the system, we saw a reply that it looked shit.No explanation, no examples of better 3D on the Jaguar in an open world game, not even just what was so shit about it.I see similar comments often on youtube vids, where people compare Jaguar 3D games to more modern systems.

Quote from: "The Laird"I moved RT's post from the recent purchases thread, makes more sense here and it means we can continue the discussion. 

I agree with Gorf about D2K, the Plus mode is bloody brilliant and is how that game should be played.

As for homebrew, there are some games out there worth owning. But there is a lot more shit than great stuff. Games worth owning include Gorf, Blackout and pretty much all of the games made by Dr. Typo/Marcus Losbjer and MD Games. Recently we have actually been spoiled a bit with titles like Blackout, Fallen Angels, Tube and Impulse X. Games that would not have been out of place as commercial releases back in 1994. Take a look at Tube: SE for those who may not have seen it:

[align=center:6kc88ize]Atari Jaguar in HD - Home Brew - Tube SE (Tube Second Edition) with Level Select (//http)[/align:6kc88ize]

As for unreleased games, I have said before that I know of about 7 or 8 games out there that could be released, some of them pretty big titles but is it worth it when the Jag scene is the way it is? I actually just found out about another lost Jaguar I had never heard about in the last couple of days as part of the interviews I am doing, the coder thinks he has the source code somewhere too! Of the many prototypes released for the Jaguar Phase Zero is probably the most impressive, I wish it had been finished. It was great to see Dr. Typo try and replicate the impressive voxel engine with Fallen Angels.

[align=center:6kc88ize]Phase Zero (#2) - Atari Jaguar (//http)[/align:6kc88ize]

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Without going too much into it, just what is all the talk of 'The Jaguar community or scene being way it is'....?

Only ask as i recal the C64 scene at 1 point being where people were saying we want more indie/homebrew games released, support our micro! and seemingly each time some one did put in the hard work and released something, hardly anyone bothered to buy it so they got fed up and stopped producing games.

Are we talking costs of securing an unreleased game could never realistically be meet as too few people willing to pay for such a game? or is there something more sinister that's best left unsaid going on?.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"... Atari lacked resources in terms of budget and talent to compete with PS1/Saturn head-on, but rather than continually dragging up same old arguements about pad, it's worse games, why don't the haters at least take a few mins and see just what it was capable of with things like the Native demo, Black Ice, D.Joust etc etc, what are they afraid of? that the view they've held for years just is'nt the full story? or is it just trying to act cool for the forum in-crowd on there?

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Without going too much into it, just what is all the talk of 'The Jaguar community or scene being way it is'....?

or is there something more sinister that's best left unsaid going on?.

It's the part I've highlighted in the colour red! 

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"... Atari lacked resources in terms of budget and talent to compete with PS1/Saturn head-on, but rather than continually dragging up same old arguements about pad, it's worse games, why don't the haters at least take a few mins and see just what it was capable of with things like the Native demo, Black Ice, D.Joust etc etc, what are they afraid of? that the view they've held for years just is'nt the full story? or is it just trying to act cool for the forum in-crowd on there?

I generally put it down to the latter, i.e. people having read the same old factually incorrect pish on mainstream websites (Jag was only 64-bit because Atari said 2x32-bit chips = 64-bit or, in the case of EDGE (UK) magazine that it was 4x16-bit chips  ) and them thinking it's 'cool' or 'trendy' to badmouth the console without ever having actually played more than two or three games maximum on it if they've even played on it at all.

Quote from: "tomwaits"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Without going too much into it, just what is all the talk of 'The Jaguar community or scene being way it is'....?

or is there something more sinister that's best left unsaid going on?.

It's the part I've highlighted in the colour red! 

The first rule of Jaguar community is that you don't talk about Jaguar community.

Quote from: "Crusto"True story here..

I briefly worked at Calculus back in the 90's and won "sale of the day" when I managed to sell a Jaguar to somebody. When I questioned the award the manager told me how rare (and difficult to achieve) a Jaguar sale was.

So they must be crap then??

Quote from: "Crusto"True story here..

I briefly worked at Calculus back in the 90's and won "sale of the day" when I managed to sell a Jaguar to somebody. When I questioned the award the manager told me how rare (and difficult to achieve) a Jaguar sale was.

So they must be crap then??

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Re:The (understandable) desire to see Jaguar homebrew that really showcases the hardware and what it could do:

I know where your coming from, it would be fantastic if the Jaguar was to recieve a slew of stunning homebrew games, that made a lot of the doubters sit up and take notice, things that would hopefully put paid to the crap i see sprouted on RG forum from time to time about how shit the hardware was, how it only had 5 good games etc and a lot of Jaguar fans would be very happy to discover and enjoy.

However, whilst i'm not a coder, my very limited understanding of the nature (if that's the correct phrase?) of the Jaguar hardware is that even now the way to overcome several of the flaws in the hardware have been discovered by talented people like Gorf and AtariOwl (very sorry if i've the names wrong), to produce something on par with say Sturmwind or AVP etc, you'd require an awful lot of man hours and really be needing a team of people (3D coders, animators etc etc), so things will take a lot of time and good will to happen and then sadly you'd still get people saying that looks like shit in cases.


Seen on here when Laird showed Robinsons Req.and posted interview with coder etc and even when the talk was of coding for the Jaguar hardware, how 3D Engine  was 1 of the best, if not the best on the system, we saw a reply that it looked shit.No explanation, no examples of better 3D on the Jaguar in an open world game, not even just what was so shit about it.I see similar comments often on youtube vids, where people compare Jaguar 3D games to more modern systems.

It does my head in, people often seem unwilling or unable to believe the Jaguar was capable of a lot more than what 'we' saw at retail, DCRIP was kind enough to give me a link to Black Ice White Noise running, which looked fantastic for a game of that era, doing what GTAIII did in places years before the PS2.

This is why i've been so keen to try and find footage of early Quake and footage of 'completed' MK3, anything to add to already discovered work in progress, but sadly canned titles that have been discovered since Jaguars demise, to shove in the faces of people that scorn the Jaguar without ever having owned one.

Quote from: "The Laird"I moved RT's post from the recent purchases thread, makes more sense here and it means we can continue the discussion. 

I agree with Gorf about D2K, the Plus mode is bloody brilliant and is how that game should be played.

As for homebrew, there are some games out there worth owning. But there is a lot more shit than great stuff. Games worth owning include Gorf, Blackout and pretty much all of the games made by Dr. Typo/Marcus Losbjer and MD Games. Recently we have actually been spoiled a bit with titles like Blackout, Fallen Angels, Tube and Impulse X. Games that would not have been out of place as commercial releases back in 1994. Take a look at Tube: SE for those who may not have seen it:

[align=center:3j85jxx5]Atari Jaguar in HD - Home Brew - Tube SE (Tube Second Edition) with Level Select (//http)[/align:3j85jxx5]

As for unreleased games, I have said before that I know of about 7 or 8 games out there that could be released, some of them pretty big titles but is it worth it when the Jag scene is the way it is? I actually just found out about another lost Jaguar I had never heard about in the last couple of days as part of the interviews I am doing, the coder thinks he has the source code somewhere too! Of the many prototypes released for the Jaguar Phase Zero is probably the most impressive, I wish it had been finished. It was great to see Dr. Typo try and replicate the impressive voxel engine with Fallen Angels.

[align=center:3j85jxx5]Phase Zero (#2) - Atari Jaguar (//http)[/align:3j85jxx5]

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Morons being morons who are believed by other morons... and thus the circle of fail continues.

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Morons being morons who are believed by other morons... and thus the circle of fail continues.

Exactly why America is about to fail and has been failing...how does Barack Obama get elected
once, never mind twice.......simple.....when it comes to our electors, to quote space balls..."I'm
surrounded by assholes!"

Spaceballs- "Keep firing assholes!" (//http)


Now you know why the Jaguar gets it's unfair thrashing. Same principal, different subject.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"On the other hand, you've things like Tube, which i've honestly no idea what it plays like, but  it does look impressive and seems a great example of showing off what can be done by homebrew coders, so guess it's the sort of thing a lot of coders might be tempted to try to establish a name for themselves.Seem to recal over the years a lot of games used programmers that started out in the P.D scene (and games made possible using routines they came up with whilst coding demo's) or later doing maps for FPS games etc, so guess homebrew could be a way for some to cut their teeth/make a name for themselves if they are looking to go further in the industry?

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Morons being morons who are believed by other morons... and thus the circle of fail continues.

Exactly why America is about to fail and has been failing...how does Barack Obama get elected
once, never mind twice.......simple.....when it comes to our electors, to quote space balls..."I'm
surrounded by assholes!"

Spaceballs- "Keep firing assholes!" (//http)


Now you know why the Jaguar gets it's unfair thrashing. Same principal, different subject.

:-) You seen the state of UK lately?

Previous assholes along with assholes in other countries manage to get us in the shit so deep, it'll take 3 generations to dig us out and the public has proved just how much of an asshole it can be buy spending money it did'nt have on things it did'nt need and can never pay off what it owes, so we had an election and everyone thought i'm not voting they are all assholes, so 2 asshole parties formed a love-in and started being assholes to each other whilst blaming the previous assholes for getting us in the state we are in, the previous assholes then just said well you assholes have been in power long enough now, your policies are'nt working, your asholes, elect us and we'll sort it out, we've a new asshole in charge....

Meanwhile we built a bloody tunnel linking us to a bunch of other European assholes who want our money to tell us what we can or cannot do, as English assholes whilst ignoring the very same rules they set down to us, ohh and could we bail out these other assholes whilst we are at it?


Think that's how it's worked....

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"On the other hand, you've things like Tube, which i've honestly no idea what it plays like, but  it does look impressive and seems a great example of showing off what can be done by homebrew coders, so guess it's the sort of thing a lot of coders might be tempted to try to establish a name for themselves.Seem to recal over the years a lot of games used programmers that started out in the P.D scene (and games made possible using routines they came up with whilst coding demo's) or later doing maps for FPS games etc, so guess homebrew could be a way for some to cut their teeth/make a name for themselves if they are looking to go further in the industry?

Well even we made a "Shitty Homebrew" game for the Jaguar. And as you are suggesting, like some hombrewers, we took the profits from that and moved further in the industry. We havent left Jaguar simply because of personal taste- even though we are working on other platforms. To not acknowledge your roots is a big mistake. I am proud of being a homebrewer, and very happy about having Indie Cred as we move on to bigger and better things. So even if Jaguar isnt our main home right now, we will sure come back to it soon. It would be bad luck not to

Quote from: "Jag_Slave"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"On the other hand, you've things like Tube, which i've honestly no idea what it plays like, but  it does look impressive and seems a great example of showing off what can be done by homebrew coders, so guess it's the sort of thing a lot of coders might be tempted to try to establish a name for themselves.Seem to recal over the years a lot of games used programmers that started out in the P.D scene (and games made possible using routines they came up with whilst coding demo's) or later doing maps for FPS games etc, so guess homebrew could be a way for some to cut their teeth/make a name for themselves if they are looking to go further in the industry?

Well even we made a "Shitty Homebrew" game for the Jaguar. And as you are suggesting, like some hombrewers, we took the profits from that and moved further in the industry. We havent left Jaguar simply because of personal taste- even though we are working on other platforms. To not acknowledge your roots is a big mistake. I am proud of being a homebrewer, and very happy about having Indie Cred as we move on to bigger and better things. So even if Jaguar isnt our main home right now, we will sure come back to it soon. It would be bad luck not to

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Only being given 50% of the budget they had signed up for/negotiated hard for, when they won the contract.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Most of the game code being done in C for the 68000, with graphics done on GPU and Blitter (Blitter they said was fast, but it took quite a while to set up all the registers, so for short runs of pixels it was often quicker to write them directly to screen buffer)-now not being a coder, is that 'good' use of the system?

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Game having to originally be compressed into a 2 Mb cart, with cart size doubling only 1 month before game was finished (that must of been a nightmare).

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Taking on an extra coder, who did 3 months work, all of which had to be ripped out and recoded from scratch as it took the game backwards, not forwards.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Game started development at a time Atari was still finishing off the Jaguar hardware, so things like  support software and tools were unfinished, yet Sam Tramiel gave them time to finish game on a final realease version of the Jaguar hardware.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Sam T.also resisted 'urges' from both Rebellion+Atari Marketing dept to get game out in spring, delaying it instead until the fall.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-The Jaguar's various graphics modes being of great help when it came to doing the Predator's vision modes.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Atari having no game designers employed at time work started on Jaguar AVP, hence 'desire' just to do a SNES like side scroller with the AVP licence.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Game came under pressure to ditch the feature of being able to play from viewpoint of all 3 sides (Marine, Alien+Predator)

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"-Things that were planned for the Jaguar CD version of AVP being used in PC AVP 4 years later.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"More i learn on game, more i'm amazed everything turned out so well, sounds like utter chaos during development.

Quote from: "The Graphics Man"Interesting topic...

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Quote from: "The Graphics Man"Interesting topic...

Nobody asked you you little cuss!  :4:

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"On the other hand, you've things like Tube, which i've honestly no idea what it plays like, but  it does look impressive and seems a great example of showing off what can be done by homebrew coders, so guess it's the sort of thing a lot of coders might be tempted to try to establish a name for themselves.Seem to recal over the years a lot of games used programmers that started out in the P.D scene (and games made possible using routines they came up with whilst coding demo's) or later doing maps for FPS games etc, so guess homebrew could be a way for some to cut their teeth/make a name for themselves if they are looking to go further in the industry?

Well even we made a "Shitty Homebrew" game for the Jaguar. And as you are suggesting, like some hombrewers, we took the profits from that and moved further in the industry. We havent left Jaguar simply because of personal taste- even though we are working on other platforms. To not acknowledge your roots is a big mistake. I am proud of being a homebrewer, and very happy about having Indie Cred as we move on to bigger and better things. So even if Jaguar isnt our main home right now, we will sure come back to it soon. It would be bad luck not to :(

Quote from: "The Laird"Jag RF is beyond bad, but the RGB scart which we use here is stunning.

I never even realised that some games have transparencies until I got a scart cable!!!!

Quote from: "Alberto 2K"I try to use RGB on all the consoles, best video quality hands down.

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Quote from: "Alberto 2K"I try to use RGB on all the consoles, best video quality hands down.

I use it on all of mine except the 7800, because that only has RF 

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"I think the RF output on the 7800 looks really good.
The Jag on the other hand, yeah you couldn't pay me to use it 

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"I think the RF output on the 7800 looks really good.
The Jag on the other hand, yeah you couldn't pay me to use it 

Any console with RF output can be converted to use RGB if you use the right circuits.

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Quote from: "Alberto 2K"I try to use RGB on all the consoles, best video quality hands down.

I use it on all of mine except the 7800, because that only has RF 

Quote from: "The Laird"Yeah I would love a French model but they go for big bucks these days 

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Quote from: "The Laird"Yeah I would love a French model but they go for big bucks these days  :10:

Quote from: "Cryptic33"Well, that's something new I've learnt. I guess the French are not so bad after all - ish :10:

Quote from: "64bitRuss"Anyone ever compare the video out with other contemporary systems like the Playstation and the Saturn next to the Jaguar? I've been playing PS1 quite a bit lately and it's standard RCA output is blurry garbage compared to the Jaguar. Now, I normally use S-video with my Jag, but I remember before I got S-video cables that the Jag had great standard Video output, cleaner than most consoles. When I play my PS1 right now I feel like I'm looking at the TV without my glasses or something, it's that bad. I'm waiting on some S-vid cables to arrive for my PS1 shortly, so I'll see if those change my opinion a bit, but as it stands the PS1 has some of the worst video out I've seen and the Jaguar amongst the best.

I can't comment on the Saturn, I haven't played that recently enough to take notice.

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Quote from: "64bitRuss"Anyone ever compare the video out with other contemporary systems like the Playstation and the Saturn next to the Jaguar? I've been playing PS1 quite a bit lately and it's standard RCA output is blurry garbage compared to the Jaguar. Now, I normally use S-video with my Jag, but I remember before I got S-video cables that the Jag had great standard Video output, cleaner than most consoles. When I play my PS1 right now I feel like I'm looking at the TV without my glasses or something, it's that bad. I'm waiting on some S-vid cables to arrive for my PS1 shortly, so I'll see if those change my opinion a bit, but as it stands the PS1 has some of the worst video out I've seen and the Jaguar amongst the best.

I can't comment on the Saturn, I haven't played that recently enough to take notice.

PS1 may pump up more polies but the quality is garbage...over stretched crap...the video quality is definitely lacking. I agree...even the Jaguar's RF is better then the PS1 composite.

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Anybody know who's behind this?   http://jagcorner.bitjag.com/ (//http)

Looks like they're just getting started but cool to see some new Jag homebrewers!

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Anybody know who's behind this?   http://jagcorner.bitjag.com/ (//http)

Looks like they're just getting started but cool to see some new Jag homebrewers!

Interesting. Three Jag game projects being considered. I hope they turn out to be more than vapourware as is often the way in the homebrew scene in general (not just Jag). I see he/they are contemplating making at least one of those games a Kickstarter crowd funded project. Not sure how well that'd work out, tbh.

Quote from: "Gorf"Hey fine, if these guys want to make games for the Jaguar...got for it, but it's already looking like the games are
certainly below the ability of what the Jaguar can do...hey maybe these are just start projects and they have higher
aspirations, but if not...not really jumping for joy...we need seasoned coders willing to put the machines hardware
to some serious use. I for one do not understand why anyone would even bother with the Jaguar given it's history
and treatment of past developers. I wish them luck nonetheless and just hope they do not turn out to be a bunch of
assholes like a couple of groups that have infiltrated the Jag scene.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"I hope they turn out to be more than vapourware as is often the way in the homebrew scene in general (not just Jag).

Quote from: "The Laird"Sinister Devopments are another, I really wish they had done some more game for the Jaguar - I am a massive fan of the brilliant Painter:

Atari Jaguar in HD - Post Release - Painter CD (//http)

Quote from: "The Laird"The cart version was released with a bug which means you actually can't get past a certain level at all because the time limit is too short.

Quotethought everyone would like an update of where this is:

well as you know there have been a few problems with this annoying game. the timing bug then the pause menu bug.

i am pleased to say that with a little help from belboz, ok a lot of help from belboz it is now working as it should. i hope belboz liked his gifts for helping me fix this smile.gif

i am now ready to send out roms to those who would like them or cartridge repairs in a timely fashion (1 or 2 a week say) i dont want to be sat there with the soldering iron every moment of my spare time, as i have over shit in my life at the moment to deal with. hopefully the the skunkboard code will work better than my last test.

Quotei will be doing a repair service soon, so that option can be used. this will only cost for parts, i will be doing this for little or no profit, i just need to cover parts. so you can either buy a new one at full price or get yours repaired at greatly reduced price

Quotethis was not our fault as the time entered into the level editor should have been ample to complete the level. when the levels load into the jaguar version the time is decreased on both pal and ntsc jaguars. on ntsc the time is reduced much more than pal jaguars

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Hows the reaction been from people who bought dodgy carts been?

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Well then, after reading all that I guess I should be happy I have the CD and not the cart!

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Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Well then, after reading all that I guess I should be happy I have the CD and not the cart!

 

That's Painter, not Painter SE, then?

Quote from: "The Laird"No, the Painter CD was made in 2 versions (both in limited numbers) original version and the rarer Jagfest edition.

The cart came much later and was released by Gaztee and OMF, this version has more levels but also has the bugs.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"From what I can ascertain the 60Hz timing bug made level 21 (password: JS2FREAK in the COMUNITY (yes one M) levels) impossible to complete. The password for level 22 is 2600JR. The Painter SE game cartridges were numbered and those below number 31 apparently featured at least two levels that couldn't be completed... so that includes mine because my Painter SE is from the very first batch of ten that Omf produced and sold with Gordon's permission.

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Quote from: "The Laird"No, the Painter CD was made in 2 versions (both in limited numbers) original version and the rarer Jagfest edition.

The cart came much later and was released by Gaztee and OMF, this version has more levels but also has the bugs.

Okay, mine's just the original version then. I actually bought it from Gaztee on ebay.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Just in case you're not aware of this -  "the general release version available... has the added bonus Slam Racer intro and game beta... go to the password screen and use the joypad to enter SLAMRACE and the intro will load from CD."  :)

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Just in case you're not aware of this -  "the general release version available... has the added bonus Slam Racer intro and game beta... go to the password screen and use the joypad to enter SLAMRACE and the intro will load from CD."  :)

Glad to be of assistance! 

Quote from: "Gorf"Jag rules!

Quote from: "Cryptic33"

Quote from: "Gorf"Jag rules!

Ok, a bit of spam but I like simple statements :10:

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Quote from: "Gorf"Jag rules!

Ok, a bit of spam but I like simple statements :10:

Indeed you are right again and we must all remember not to cast such pearls amongst the swine Long live the Jaguar!

Quote from: "Cryptic33"Nice find/recap TrekMD

Just goes to show that the Jaguar did make a presence and was better than most believe.

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Quote from: "Cryptic33"Nice find/recap TrekMD

Just goes to show that the Jaguar did make a presence and was better than most believe.

I can't take credit for finding it.  Danny Galaga posted it over at JS2 and I thought it would be a cool thing to share here.  ;)

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Quote from: "Cryptic33"Nice find/recap TrekMD

Just goes to show that the Jaguar did make a presence and was better than most believe.

I can't take credit for finding it.  Danny Galaga posted it over at JS2 and I thought it would be a cool thing to share here.  :1:

Nice to know good blokes like DG are still active in the hollow shell of what remains of the Jag scene.

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Quote from: "TrekMD"

Quote from: "Cryptic33"Nice find/recap TrekMD

Just goes to show that the Jaguar did make a presence and was better than most believe.

I can't take credit for finding it.  Danny Galaga posted it over at JS2 and I thought it would be a cool thing to share here.  :1:

Nice to know good blokes like DG are still active in the hollow shell of what remains of the Jag scene.

Indeed ;) Indeed, the article glosses over a number of things and is fairly short. However, I think it gives a reasonably informed view/history without blatantly having a dig as many ill informed reviewers do. I find it fascinating that such articles are still being written. The retro scene is bigger than many of us may think

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Quote from: "Cryptic33"Nice find/recap TrekMD

Just goes to show that the Jaguar did make a presence and was better than most believe.

I can't take credit for finding it.  Danny Galaga posted it over at JS2 and I thought it would be a cool thing to share here.  :1:

Nice to know good blokes like DG are still active in the hollow shell of what remains of the Jag scene.

Yep, I have his spinner controller for the Jaguar and I love it!

Quote from: "TrekMD"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "TrekMD"

Quote from: "Cryptic33"Nice find/recap TrekMD

Just goes to show that the Jaguar did make a presence and was better than most believe.

I can't take credit for finding it.  Danny Galaga posted it over at JS2 and I thought it would be a cool thing to share here.  :1:

Nice to know good blokes like DG are still active in the hollow shell of what remains of the Jag scene.

Yep, I have his spinner controller for the Jaguar and I love it!

I have one of his rapid fire controllers and it's awesome!
Using it for playing Trevor Mcfur actually makes the game enjoyable 

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"I have one of his rapid fire controllers and it's awesome!
Using it for playing Trevor Mcfur actually makes the game enjoyable 

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"I have one of his rapid fire controllers and it's awesome!
Using it for playing Trevor Mcfur actually makes the game enjoyable  :24:

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"I have one of his rapid fire controllers and it's awesome!
Using it for playing Trevor Mcfur actually makes the game enjoyable  :21: Okay I'll rephrase that, using a rapid fire controller makes Trevor Mcfur suck less!

Quote from: "The Laird"It's not very well written at all but still cool nonetheless.

Quote from: "Cryptic33".... remember not to cast such pearls amongst the swine ::)

Quote from: "Shadowrunner" Okay I'll rephrase that, using a rapid fire controller makes Trevor Mcfur suck less!

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Shadowrunner" Okay I'll rephrase that, using a rapid fire controller makes Trevor Mcfur suck less!

Hardly! Suck is suck regardless of the controller you use.

Quote from: "Gorf"It's a terrible thing to be trounced by the Gorfian Logic. :24: I think there is a lot of truth in that statement :)

Quote from: "The Laird"I don't think it's that bad actually. For me the biggest problems with it are the lack of sound and boring first level. The game is stunning graphically and has a few interesting features like Cutter The Lynx and the weapon selection too. If they had worked on it a little more before releasing it I think it could have been pretty decent.

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart

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Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart

Technically, its actually very good from a graphics point of view...it's the game play that needed
a transplant. The gfx are easily top of the heap for it's day...just needed a real game behind it.

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart :3:

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Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart :3:

Are you implying that RT doesn't also have a 'great mind' because his opinion runs contrary to your own? 

Quote from: "The Laird"Stop starting trouble you! This isn't RG!  :4:

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Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart :3:

Are you implying that RT doesn't also have a 'great mind' because his opinion runs contrary to your own?  :21:

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Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart

Technically, its actually very good from a graphics point of view...it's the game play that needed
a transplant. The gfx are easily top of the heap for it's day...just needed a real game behind it.

I'd say otherwise, no..hear me out :-)

It only scrolls horizontally and appeared at a time when 16 Bit shooters were starting to mix up levels so you had horizontal stage, vertical scrolling stage etc, lacked the number of layers of parallax that 16 Bit shoot-em-up's were pushing out and the sprites whilst looking gorgeous, were i believe all just pre-stored, ray-traced images, so whilst the Jag's colours and screen resolution helped, it was'nt really taxing the hardware.

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart

Technically, its actually very good from a graphics point of view...it's the game play that needed
a transplant. The gfx are easily top of the heap for it's day...just needed a real game behind it.

I'd say otherwise, no..hear me out :-)

It only scrolls horizontally and appeared at a time when 16 Bit shooters were starting to mix up levels so you had horizontal stage, vertical scrolling stage etc, lacked the number of layers of parallax that 16 Bit shoot-em-up's were pushing out and the sprites whilst looking gorgeous, were i believe all just pre-stored, ray-traced images, so whilst the Jag's colours and screen resolution helped, it was'nt really taxing the hardware.

Those are not graphical, those are mechanical, which is exactly my point. TMITCG should have done all
these things. The parallax layers hardly make a game.....Superfly DX for instance....ahem.....but yes,
that would not have hurt, but I doubt that would have helped the play mechanics, and is where my argument
lies. TMITCG had sprites that the previous systems could only wish and never achieve. Show me a previous
system with sprites as big and colorful. We know the Jaguar can do the parallax, we just needed better game
mechanics. This was like just about everything else on the Jaguar: a major league rush job.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"... seemed to say more about just how out of touch Atari had become

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"... seemed to say more about just how out of touch Atari had become

Not the first time Atari had done that either. Atari Inc., as opposed to Jack Tramiel's Atari Corp, originally sold the Atari 5200 console with Super Breakout as the pack-in game. Yep, another variant of 1976's Breakout in 1982 as the pack-in game when the Colecovision console came with Donkey Kong as its pack-in game. D'oh!

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Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"... seemed to say more about just how out of touch Atari had become

Not the first time Atari had done that either. Atari Inc., as opposed to Jack Tramiel's Atari Corp, originally sold the Atari 5200 console with Super Breakout as the pack-in game. Yep, another variant of 1976's Breakout in 1982 as the pack-in game when the Colecovision console came with Donkey Kong as its pack-in game. D'oh!

And off top of my head, did'nt the 65XE launch with Missile Command (either as free cart or built in?)...hardly the game to go up again'st either Nes or MS.

Quote from: "The Laird"Crescent Galaxy wasn't a pack-in though.

Remembering back to 1993 it was actually seeing screenshots of Crescent Galaxy printed in magazines that made me want a Jaguar more than anything. It was also the very first game I purchased for the machine, I thought it was utterly amazing. There was NOTHING else on the market back in 1993 that looked that good.

Quote from: "The Laird"Crescent Galaxy wasn't a pack-in though.

Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"... seemed to say more about just how out of touch Atari had become

Not the first time Atari had done that either. Atari Inc., as opposed to Jack Tramiel's Atari Corp, originally sold the Atari 5200 console with Super Breakout as the pack-in game. Yep, another variant of 1976's Breakout in 1982 as the pack-in game when the Colecovision console came with Donkey Kong as its pack-in game. D'oh!

And off top of my head, did'nt the 65XE launch with Missile Command (either as free cart or built in?)...hardly the game to go up again'st either Nes or MS.

You are thinking of the XEGS that has Missile Command built in. The deluxe pack also came with Flight Simulator II and Bug Hunt (light gun game).

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "Gorf"

Quote from: "Jonny Mutant"Trevor McFur was my first ever Jaguar game. It actually arrived about a week before the console did. Must have flicked through the manual about 20 times while impatiently waiting.
While it is technically very awful, I still have a fondness for it being the first Jag game I ever played, even before I put in my Cybermorph cart

Technically, its actually very good from a graphics point of view...it's the game play that needed
a transplant. The gfx are easily top of the heap for it's day...just needed a real game behind it.

I'd say otherwise, no..hear me out :-)

It only scrolls horizontally and appeared at a time when 16 Bit shooters were starting to mix up levels so you had horizontal stage, vertical scrolling stage etc, lacked the number of layers of parallax that 16 Bit shoot-em-up's were pushing out and the sprites whilst looking gorgeous, were i believe all just pre-stored, ray-traced images, so whilst the Jag's colours and screen resolution helped, it was'nt really taxing the hardware.

Those are not graphical, those are mechanical, which is exactly my point. TMITCG should have done all
these things. The parallax layers hardly make a game.....Superfly DX for instance....ahem.....but yes,
that would not have hurt, but I doubt that would have helped the play mechanics, and is where my argument
lies. TMITCG had sprites that the previous systems could only wish and never achieve. Show me a previous
system with sprites as big and colorful. We know the Jaguar can do the parallax, we just needed better game
mechanics. This was like just about everything else on the Jaguar: a major league rush job.

Graphical/mechanical, no matter how you dress it up, it just was'nt seen as equalling what 2D shooters on existing 16 Bit systems were doing and hardly a showcase for your (well Atari's) 64 Bit system and thus was'nt the start in life the Jaguar badly needed.

Big sprites i'm not doubting, but from technical point of view, it just did'nt scream must have title and in fact seemed to say more about just how out of touch Atari had become, in terms of what the competition were doing in the very market they so badly wanted a slice of.

Quote from: "The Laird"I am sure that is bollocks, Carmack said game was 30% complete and he had the engine running perfectly on the RISC chips and it was far superior to the Doom engine. Was cancelled when they released the Jaguar was no longer a viable platform.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"How come i never get invited to gigs like that?

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I read the Jaguar article in Retro Gamer magazine by El Laird, and there was a little box about the CD add on, saying that the first production of 20000 units sold out, but they never got round to making any more. Since homebrews are coming out on CD, does that not make it very difficult to play them when there was only 20000 of the drives ever sold? I'd imagine quite a few of them are in the scrapheap now too after all these years.

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Quote from: "Spector"[IGNORANT POST ALERT]

I read the Jaguar article in Retro Gamer magazine by El Laird, and there was a little box about the CD add on, saying that the first production of 20000 units sold out, but they never got round to making any more. Since homebrews are coming out on CD, does that not make it very difficult to play them when there was only 20000 of the drives ever sold? I'd imagine quite a few of them are in the scrapheap now too after all these years.

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Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"[BIG DREAMER DO NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY]

Adding a nuon chip would be a great feature

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Quote from: "Gorf"PC Engine rules

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Quote from: "Gorf"PC Engine rules

Fixed

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...you'd have thought that after seeing the media praise given to Tempest 2000, Atari would have let Jeff, just get on and do his thing, basically

Quotebut am i right in thinking they 'lent on him' to make the humaniods look 'realistic' and wanted big sprites as it was originally a CD game, then said, no..it's going on cart, but still wanted the big sprites?

Quote from: "The Laird"Jag Pitfall is far superior to the 16-bit versions. More colours, more animation frames, more detail and far superior sound. Where did you read it runs at half the frame rate?

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"...It was'nt the Defender update i'd hoped for and nor was it the Defender update Jeff really wanted to make, so we both ended up let down.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "The Laird"Jag Pitfall is far superior to the 16-bit versions. More colours, more animation frames, more detail and far superior sound. Where did you read it runs at half the frame rate?

Good few posters on various forums claim it (Neogaf etc), plus i looked at Giantbombs comparison of MD/SNES/MCD/Jaguar/32X etc

People state the 32X version, whilst having a much broader range of colours in the foreground (as 32X generates these) it runs at 30 FPS, with the backgrounds (which MD generates) run at 60 FPS, so you end up with juddery scrolling.

MCD version has best sound, but then your talking Redbook audio, then SNES, then Jaguar....

Giant Bomb again say Jaguar version had much wider range of colours than either SNES or MD version (and in background and foreground), but frame rate capped at 30 FPS and there is some slowdown in places.

Plus Jaguar version missing 3 levels found on MCD version.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Maybe the Jag version was running via an emulator when he/they 'tested' it? We all know how patchy and variable the quality of Jag emulation can be from game to game...

Quote from: "The Laird"...And after all Giant Bomb is a ROM site.

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"

Quote from: "The Laird"Jag Pitfall is far superior to the 16-bit versions. More colours, more animation frames, more detail and far superior sound. Where did you read it runs at half the frame rate?

Good few posters on various forums claim it (Neogaf etc), plus i looked at Giantbombs comparison of MD/SNES/MCD/Jaguar/32X etc

People state the 32X version, whilst having a much broader range of colours in the foreground (as 32X generates these) it runs at 30 FPS, with the backgrounds (which MD generates) run at 60 FPS, so you end up with juddery scrolling.

MCD version has best sound, but then your talking Redbook audio, then SNES, then Jaguar....

Giant Bomb again say Jaguar version had much wider range of colours than either SNES or MD version (and in background and foreground), but frame rate capped at 30 FPS and there is some slowdown in places.

Plus Jaguar version missing 3 levels found on MCD version.

I refuse to take anybody seriously who says that the SNES version has better sound than the Jaguar, that is just laughable. I have never noticed any slowdown on the Jaguar version and there certainly aren't any problems with the frame rate.

From the back of the box:

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z280/mrkizza/Mayan_zps7f55f780.png)

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Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"Maybe the Jag version was running via an emulator when he/they 'tested' it? We all know how patchy and variable the quality of Jag emulation can be from game to game...

I was thinking this too, especially as emulation also distorts the sound. And after all Giant Bomb is a ROM site.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"So there would appear to be a real possibility that some bloke on the internet ascertained that a videogame has a 30fps frame rate based on having viewed a video on Youtube. Where do I sign up to this bastion of professionalism? 

Quote from: "davyK"Have you ever had a notion to own a particular video game even though it is universally panned?

For some reason I feel that way about Defender 2000.

Don't own a Jaguar but it's probably what I would get after T2K and Raiden if I do ever get one.

Was there a Breakout remake too?

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Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"So there would appear to be a real possibility that some bloke on the internet ascertained that a videogame has a 30fps frame rate based on having viewed a video on Youtube. Where do I sign up to this bastion of professionalism?  :3:

Quote from: "davyK"Have you ever had a notion to own a particular video game even though it is universally panned?

For some reason I feel that way about Defender 2000.

Don't own a Jaguar but it's probably what I would get after T2K and Raiden if I do ever get one.

Was there a Breakout remake too?

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"Yep. Air Cars on Jaguar (and it looked horrendous in the Jaguar promo.VCR tape i still have), just to really see how bad it is, ditto for Blue Lightning on Jag CD (as i love the Lynx game).

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Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"So there would appear to be a real possibility that some bloke on the internet ascertained that a videogame has a 30fps frame rate based on having viewed a video on Youtube. Where do I sign up to this bastion of professionalism?  :3:

I think there was a pub meeting or summit...

All the above were mentioned along with:

Without the N64 there'd be no gaming industry, PS2 pushes 66 Million Polys a sec, PSP has no good games, only bad PS2 games are due to poor coding, MCD has no custom hardware, Lynx cannot do sprite scaling, no 3D stages in MD Contra, Saturn Doom (Pal) better than PS1 Doom, Saturn=crap at 3D, Jaguar has no good games, Nintendo invented everything except:The Wheel, Fire, Sliced Bread and Bubble wrap, everything else? they came up with 1st, everyone just fleeced it off them.


Must have been 1 hellva pub quiz....

Quote from: "davyK"Have you ever had a notion to own a particular video game even though it is universally panned?

For some reason I feel that way about Defender 2000.

Don't own a Jaguar but it's probably what I would get after T2K and Raiden if I do ever get one.

Was there a Breakout remake too?

Quote from: "davyK"This info has increased the chances of me getting Jaguar to be honest. What's the craic re RGB and the 50/60Hz thing - are games region locked and are PAL ports slower?

Quote from: "davyK"This info has increased the chances of me getting Jaguar to be honest. What's the craic re RGB and the 50/60Hz thing - are games region locked and are PAL ports slower?

Quote from: "davyK"so if I get a PAL jag and a RGB SCART cable I'm sorted for optimal Jag gaming then?

ARe the really that cheap to get?

I like the look of the modified controller for T2K...

Quote from: "onthinice"Really gives some insight. Thanks RT! Seems from the article Mr. Minter's optimism for the Jaguar was sky high. If Atari had more dedication like that at the time, we might be playing the Jaguar V.

Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"'....there's a guy called Rob Zdibble who's worked for Atari for a long time.He's actually working on the 64Bit version of star Raiders! i cannot wait.'

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Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"'....there's a guy called Rob Zdibble who's worked for Atari for a long time.He's actually working on the 64Bit version of star Raiders! i cannot wait.'

I am sure he meant Rob Zydbel who as well as programming Warbirds for the Lynx also wrote the 3D engine used for Hover Strike and Space War 2000.

Quote from: "The Laird"Earlier on I came across this website:

http://www.atarijaguar.co.uk/p/main-page.html (//http)

Had never seen it before and was very pleased to see that one of my articles gets a favourable mention!

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Quote from: "The Laird"Earlier on I came across this website:

http://www.atarijaguar.co.uk/p/main-page.html (//http)

Had never seen it before and was very pleased to see that one of my articles gets a favourable mention!

Pretty cool!

Quote from: "The Laird"Earlier on I came across this website:

http://www.atarijaguar.co.uk/p/main-page.html (//http)

Had never seen it before and was very pleased to see that one of my articles gets a favourable mention!

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Hi guys - thanks for the positive posts about my site (atarijaguar.co.uk / Do the Math), it's much appreciated. I think the Jag is such an underappreciated console, and the potential it had was huge.  :1:

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Quote from: "Tomleecee"Hi guys - thanks for the positive posts about my site (atarijaguar.co.uk / Do the Math), it's much appreciated. I think the Jag is such an underappreciated console, and the potential it had was huge.  :1:

Ah so that was you plugging my article!

Many thanks for that 

The article from Retrogamer Magazine? That was a brilliant feature! Was your follow up about Atari in general, and the demise of the company as a whole? If so - yes, I read that too - also a great article. I wasn't sure if putting that on my site was some form of copyright infringement so I thought I should leave it at that!

Did you read the follow up one? Didn't see it on your site.

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Thanks - I didn't really think anyone would pay any attention to the site to be honest, so thought it'd be well hidden...

But yes, your articles are great - I read the second one on a coach journey that lasted 5 hours so it was a very welcome read.

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Quote from: "Tomleecee"Thanks - I didn't really think anyone would pay any attention to the site to be honest, so thought it'd be well hidden...

But yes, your articles are great - I read the second one on a coach journey that lasted 5 hours so it was a very welcome read.

Much appreciated!

If you head on over to the interviews section you can actually read some of the full unedited interviews I did with people like Atari's Darryl Still, Eclipse's Stefan Kimmlingen and programmer of CyberMorph Fred Gill. I still have a few more of these to post!

QuoteNot bad for a first video but you need to gen up on your facts a bit I think. Some of the on screen annotations were good but had little to do with the actual Jaguar version. There are loads of interesting things you could have mentioned about this game that you didn't - like the fact it has one of the highest attach rates of any game ever. I have interviewed the developers of this (and many other Jaguar games) myself and they had a lot of cool stories. It was also too short and just felt like a missed opportunity, although you do deserve praise for your production values. Oh and PLEASE stop saying Jag-wire, it is pronounced Jag-U-ar!

Quote from: "64bitRuss"Seems like the player was prepared to just mock the game as he played. I don't really need, or want to see somebody just sit there and make fun of the graphics, or the controller etc..., I mean I think we've had enough of that for 20 years. There's so many pre-concieved misconceptions about the system, I'm sure that the guy playing this 'for the first time' has had some exposure to Jaguar ridicule on the internet before.

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"That video is a bit unfair TBH, because they are going into the game fresh and its hard to realise how it compared to its peers at the time. It amazed everyone at the time for a console game and was a step up from what was available.

Quote from: "The Laird"I can't help but be very disappointed after all that build up. If I wanted to just see a massive Jaguar collection then I would just look round at my own  :30:

Quote from: "dougtitchmarsh"We tried Tempest 2000, and Flip out but she didn't like those at all. I left her with Bubsy, but I'd already played Pinball fantasies.
On the same subject, where's best to get a Jaguar AV output thingummy bob?
It was disappointing after I'd setup the 2.1 speakers, to realise I only had mono sound on the TV as it was an antenna out lead in the box.

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"It's really cool he's done this and technically it's very impressive but unfortunately I just don't see it going anywhere. In order to build one of these you need to disassemble both a Jag and a Jag CD, and there's the problem. Jag CD units are pretty hard to come by, expensive, and very temperamental. Who's gonna risk taking theirs apart to do this? I know I wouldn't but it's still really awesome he did this  ;)

Loved the video and concept though the Playone looks like a hover craft

Quote from: "Cryptic33"Loved the video and concept though the Playone looks like a hover craft ;)

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"It's really cool he's done this and technically it's very impressive but unfortunately I just don't see it going anywhere. In order to build one of these you need to disassemble both a Jag and a Jag CD, and there's the problem. Jag CD units are pretty hard to come by, expensive, and very temperamental. Who's gonna risk taking theirs apart to do this? I know I wouldn't but it's still really awesome he did this 

Quote from: "TrekMD"He's said that there is no need to destroy any more Jaguars or CD units.  I can understand that for the plastic but how do you get the electronics without sacrificing existing systems?

Quote from: "SnakeEyes"I like the look of that modded unit.

I would love to give the Atari Jaguar some real playtime but don't have the funds available to go any further with it at the moment. I may make more of an effort in the new year.

Quote from: "The Laird"I remember my brother completing it back in the day, he spent hours doing it though! I used to get really annoyed sometimes as it was my Jaguar and I wanted to play on it myself  :21:  I can just imagine! 

Quote from: "64bitRuss"I have completed %100 Rayman on Jaguar. Some of the electoon cages are hidden and require leap-of-faith jumps to get at. It has awesome graphics too I think.

Quote from: "rush6432"You mean heretic?

We havn't bothered because it isnt worth our time to make stuff for the jaguar community anymore. Its nothing more than a bunch of collectors gone off the rails and forum trolls.

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Quote from: "rush6432"You mean heretic?

We havn't bothered because it isnt worth our time to make stuff for the jaguar community anymore. Its nothing more than a bunch of collectors gone off the rails and forum trolls.

A loss to those of us who are not in either of those groups but still love the system.

Quote from: "rush6432"If i ever get the itch to work on jaguar stuff again maybe ill pick it up. Very doubtfull right now. No time either...

Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"It is a really shame I was really looking foward for Heretic ...

Anyway, I think I can understand your piont of view...

Quote from: "64bitRuss"Turned off the video after 10 seconds. It only took 10 seconds for them to bash the Jaguar controller as a 'shit controller'. I don't need to hear anything more these wankers have to say. Ever.

Quote from: "The Laird"It's a completely different graphical style though so you can't really compare them.

Kasumi Ninja has 24-bit true colour backgrounds with 32,000 colours on screen. There is not a digitised 16-bit game that can touch that.

Kasumi Ninja is far from being a great game (it does have a lot of comedy value though, mainly for Angus) but you can't criticise the graphics as they are excellent.

Quote from: "The Laird"Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. I love the look of the SF Alpha games but also love the digitised style of Kasumi Ninja, the backdrops are stunning.

My main point was that they do not look 16-bit, it's impossible to do 24-bit true colour on a 16-bit machine so that is more a matter of fact than opinion.

Quote from: "LS650"I always had the impression that Club Drive was really more of a technical demonstration than meant as a game, but that Atari grabbed it and put out because they were desperate to get out new releases.

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Ahahaha! I'm flattered and a little embarrassed that you posted my vid! God damn I sound like a right thicko...! Sorry I've not been in touch about the DC reviews, Laird - I've had quite a bit on lately, but I will get round to it  :16:

Quote from: "The Laird"Let us know what you think if you win it, you might actually enjoy it for some reason!  :21: I will. It is only a tenner and brand new so it is worth it ;)

Quote from: "The Laird"Very nice indeed!!!  ;)

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Cool, thanks! Although I've just notcied a guy on Youtube called Steve Benway has already covered this sort of thing...hmmm. And in a pretty similar style too. Oh well.  :4:

Quote from: "The Laird"Maybe I will do a video comparing it to the Pro Controller  :48:

Quote from: "TrekMD"I was going to say that the next review should do that.  Look at both versions of the controller.  I prefer the Pro Controller from the two.  ;)

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Quote from: "TrekMD"I was going to say that the next review should do that.  Look at both versions of the controller.  I prefer the Pro Controller from the two.  ;)

The extra buttons map out to button on the keypad so functions that you might have to use the keypad for can instead be done using those extra three buttons.  There are also other differences between the two but I'm not going to spoil an upcoming comparison. 

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Quote from: "TrekMD"I was going to say that the next review should do that.  Look at both versions of the controller.  I prefer the Pro Controller from the two.  ;)

There is already a review of the Pro Controller by me HERE! (//http)

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Quote from: "Cryptic33"

Quote from: "TrekMD"I was going to say that the next review should do that.  Look at both versions of the controller.  I prefer the Pro Controller from the two.  ;)

There is already a review of the Pro Controller by me HERE! (//http)

Thanks Laird, that's a very good review. I remember reading about the Pro pad years ago but I don't remember it being thinner. I've learnt something new. Now, if you or someone else that owns one has the time, a video review with some in game examples and their general feelings on how it plays, would be awesome.  :71:

Quote from: "The Laird"I will put something together for you  :16:

Quote from: "Tomleecee"I never even knew the Pro Controller existed...it looks like a really nice pad. I need one now...! I'd also like to get a rotary controller but I'm guessing they're pretty useless for anything other than Tempest? (the ones without a D-pad I mean)

Quote from: "TrekMD"There was a Jaguar Flight Stick?!  Now, that I not know about!

Quote from: "The Laird"Glad you liked it! 

Quote from: "64bitRuss"The lack of rapid-fire on the Pro-Controller is mind-boggling, especially when you consider the year it was made, 1994. It's probably the only aftermarket controller of the time period without rapid-fire and slow-mo features. It's truly inexcusable.

Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"All your videos give the will to do video my self lol... But I only got an Iphone! 

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Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"All your videos give the will to do video my self lol... But I only got an Iphone! 

All I use is my Samsung Galaxy S2!

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Quote from: "64bitRuss"The lack of rapid-fire on the Pro-Controller is mind-boggling, especially when you consider the year it was made, 1994. It's probably the only aftermarket controller of the time period without rapid-fire and slow-mo features. It's truly inexcusable.

Rapid/auto fire is something I have never used, so didn't bother me.

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Too harsh? 

Quote from: "64bitRuss"I really REALLY want a rapid--fire mod on one of my Jag controllers, preferrably a pro-controller. Anyone have an online instruction for the procedure?

Quote from: "TrekMD"

Quote from: "64bitRuss"I really REALLY want a rapid--fire mod on one of my Jag controllers, preferrably a pro-controller. Anyone have an online instruction for the procedure?

DannyGalaga on JS2 was selling kits to do this, if I remember correctly.  I have no idea of how to contact him now that the site is gone, though.

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"I agree with most but I wouldn't include Flip Out, or Bubsy. Also Rayman is not a reasonably priced game to buy, even a loose cart is expensive! Good video though 

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Just for fun :78:

Quote from: "Shadowrunner"Despite the fact you're joking around, I'd love an HD remake of Cybermorph!
Also funny that the name of the CPU in the PS4 is the Jaguar!

Quote from: "zapiy"Were both companies not under an umbrella company?

Quote from: "64bitRuss"Just binge-watched all those videos on the previous page, and they are well informed and funny. I really appreciate how he just takes the games and talks about them, without apologizing for owning the Jaguar, or complaining about the controller. The dude made me laugh in every video too, always a plus!

Quote from: "64bitRuss"I would love to do some Jag vids if I had any equipment to do so, but I don't even have a fancy phone, I have the cheapest flip-phone Samsung makes.

Quote from: "TrekMD"These are really good videos.  He does a good job even when the games have issues.  He is very fair in his presentation.  We all know how some of these fighting games are.

Quote from: "WiggyDiggyPoo"I do like the videos and I think its starting to sway me towards wanting a Jaguar, just the pricing and pettyness of some jag owners/collectors puts me off..... Think patience will be the key as I'll keep an eye on eBay and let a few reasonable priced ones have my attention?

Quote from: "WiggyDiggyPoo"I do like the videos and I think its starting to sway me towards wanting a Jaguar, just the pricing and pettyness of some jag owners/collectors puts me off..... Think patience will be the key as I'll keep an eye on eBay and let a few reasonable priced ones have my attention?

Quote from: "The Laird"Jag stuff is the most expensive it has ever been and sadly it will only get rarer because Jag stuff was never made in massive numbers.

A certain portion of the Jaguar "community" is pretty toxic but there is a big group of us here and we most certainly aren't!

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Quote from: "WiggyDiggyPoo"I do like the videos and I think its starting to sway me towards wanting a Jaguar, just the pricing and pettyness of some jag owners/collectors puts me off..... Think patience will be the key as I'll keep an eye on eBay and let a few reasonable priced ones have my attention?

Jag stuff is the most expensive it has ever been and sadly it will only get rarer because Jag stuff was never made in massive numbers.

A certain portion of the Jaguar "community" is pretty toxic but there is a big group of us here and we most certainly aren't!

Quote from: "Bobinator"Apologies if this has been said before and I've already forgotten, but is there a flashcart for the Jaguar? Sounds like the only reasonable way to play one at this rate...

Quote from: "Bobinator"Apologies if this has been said before and I've already forgotten, but is there a flashcart for the Jaguar? Sounds like the only reasonable way to play one at this rate...

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Quote from: "Bobinator"Apologies if this has been said before and I've already forgotten, but is there a flashcart for the Jaguar? Sounds like the only reasonable way to play one at this rate...

Oh?

I knew about the Skunk Board and just found this (//http) but is it legal or freely available or as good as they make it out to be?

EDIT: it is called the JagCF

Quote from: "The Laird"The Jag CF is the biggest piece of vapourware ever, it was revealed to be a fraud years ago (partially thanks to me)

Quote from: "rush6432"Yep if im not mistaken it was a pc running under a table wasnt it?

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Really? I didn't know that...although a lot of the game manuals explain that there is a 100,000 limit on the number of times the game data can be saved. I'll wager Laird knows...

Quote from: "The Laird"I bet I know :21:

Jaguar carts use an EEPROM (//http) chip in them. These are reprogrammable chips that can be over written again and again. The 100,000 figure is just an estimate, at the bottom end of the scale. In reality they are likely to go on a lot longer than that. If they do run out then you can simply replace it.

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Thought anyone reading this thread might be interested in this extremely insightful podcast I recorded with The Laird himself a few weeks ago:

http://www.retrocollect.com/Podcast/retrocollect-fm-retro-gaming-podcast-issue-05-defending-the-atari-jaguar.html (//http)

I apologise for my Northern accent in the first instance.

ENJOY!

Quote from: "The Laird"

Quote from: "Tomleecee"Thought anyone reading this thread might be interested in this extremely insightful podcast I recorded with The Laird himself a few weeks ago:

http://www.retrocollect.com/Podcast/retrocollect-fm-retro-gaming-podcast-issue-05-defending-the-atari-jaguar.html (//http)

I apologise for my Northern accent in the first instance.

ENJOY!

Excellent! You really should start a thread about the Retro Collect podcasts in the podcast forum here!

Quote from: "Arethius_RGC"Nevermind I was able to turn my brain on so now I can download the podcasts will listen to them in the subway.

Forget what I said ^^


Send cia Iphone/ Tapatalk

Quote from: "arcadehero"I have been around Atari forums for a while - was Shaggy on JS2. I can't remember exactly the username I used back in the Jaguar Interactive days which was pre-JS2. Always fun to discuss the Jag, although I'll probably end up digging up stuff that has been discussed 1 million+ times already over the years