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[size=140]Elektronite's next game is a fully licensed conversion of the legendary Jeff Minter/Llamasoft classic Hover Bovver and will be available in Summer 2013!!

Here we bring you an early look at the game that originally appeared on the Atari 8-bit computers and the Commodore 64 back in 1983.[/size]

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[size=140]The purpose of the game is to mow the lawn (using the neighbours mower) whilst avoiding static obstacles, like the flowerbeds, and mobile enemies, such as the neighbour himself. Your pet dog will antagonise the neighbour and keep him away from you, but as the dog itself is vulnerable to the mower, care must be taken not to run it over!

The player's only weapon istheir dog, by hitting the fire button, the player can set the dog on the neighbour or gardener. This causes them to run away, or freeze in place. The amount of time for which this can be done is limited. The dog remains active all the time, roaming randomly on the board even when not being used to attack. The Dog Tolerance meter slowly drops, representing a time limit. Once this reaches zero, the dog will begin to attack the mower, causing an immediate overheat if he manages to bite it. If Dog Loyalty remains the dog can be distracted from attacking the mower by commanding it to attack the neighbour or gardener instead. Also, if the mower collides with the dog, the Dog Tolerance meter immediately drops to zero.[/size]

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[size=140]Make you keep an eye on the Elektronite website or Facebook page for more on this game and to order it when it's finally released. Elektonite are committed to bringing you the very best homebrew games for your Intellivision![/size]

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Big year for the Intellivision!

Cool, with official license by Llamasoft. Great stuff, I'll really need an Intellivision eventually.

Never played the original. The Intellivison version looks nice.

Fantastic stuff, Intellivision is certainly one of the best supported thats for sure.

Unfortunately, Hover Bovver has been indefinitely delayed, and perhaps even cancelled.

It will not be released anytime soon.

Quote from: "Elektronite"Unfortunately, Hover Bovver has been indefinitely delayed, and perhaps even cancelled.

It will not be released anytime soon.

That truly sucks.  I was really looking forward to this.  I had seen that it was delayed but was not aware of the fact that it might be completely cancelled.  Did something happen with the licensing agreement?

I can't speak for everyone, but you have my full support with resolving this anyway. Hope it works out for the best. 

Well, here's hoping this situation gets resolved somehow.  It would be unfortunate for the Intellivision community at large to miss out on this title. 

I hear Groovybee will be at Play Expo again this year so maybe he will have this on show for people to play.

I played some of his Atari XM demos at the show last year.

I am going to that this year with my kids.

Cool, you have to let us know what you see!   

Quote from: "zapiy"I am going to that this year with my kids.

If you see Hover Bovver, let me know how it is! I've never seen it!   

Unfortunately, Hover Bovver has been cancelled.

You can buy a limited number of boxes and overlays.

Details can be found here:

http://www.gamesforyourintellivision.com/hover-bovver.html (//http)

That really sucks.  I'll check out the limited edition boxes and overlays.  Thanks for keeping us updated.

It sure does suck. At the very least I hope word spreads far and wide about this so nobody else suffers the same fate as Elektronite has. 

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"It sure does suck. At the very least I hope word spreads far and wide about this so nobody else suffers the same fate as Elektronite has. 

So true. Some people seem to think that somehow, I must have been 'unreasonable'.

However, the terms that I had to make the game go forward were:

1. Source code
2. Beta Version of the game (allows you to warp to any of the 16 levels)
3. Final Rom
4. Y-bot from Atari Age would verify that the game was complete, and didn't suck balls.
5. Reply by Midnight September 30, 2013.....but he didn't meet the deadline, as usual.

This of course, was too difficult for Mark to accept. So, I have cancelled the game, and I am selling the boxes off.

I look forward to the massive destruction of remaining boxes. Anyone who wants a really cool souvenir of this fiasco, please visit

www.gamesforyourintellivision.com (//http)  and click the 'Hover Bovver' link.

Just to be clear, the deadline was 12pm UK time.

Down to 89 sets of boxes.

Get yours before they are all gone! (or ripped up or burned or whatever I come up with)

Quote from: "Elektronite"(or ripped up or burned or whatever I come up with)

I'm sure that will be a very cathartic experience. 

I hope you are able to sell all 100 boxes so, at least, get back some of your investment. 

Quote from: "Elektronite"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"It sure does suck. At the very least I hope word spreads far and wide about this so nobody else suffers the same fate as Elektronite has.  :1:

Sorry to hear this news fella.

I know a few on here would have purchased the game and therefore will be gutted to read this also. Good luck going forward.

Very sorry to hear of the let down and this really nice game never to be played by anyone..I hate to read about this type of thing and wish you all the success in future products, people know how great you are and this shouldn't dent any of that.

Best of luck.

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"

Quote from: "Elektronite"

Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"It sure does suck. At the very least I hope word spreads far and wide about this so nobody else suffers the same fate as Elektronite has.  :1:

Wow, really?  Why not let people read the entire transaction and make their own opinions?

It's all out there, really.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.ph ... il-attempt (http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?/topic/217049-Elektronite's-blackmail-attempt)

TL ; DR version:
- there was no time table and no precise definition of milestones, except "half-way."  Mark thought (rather reasonably, I think) it meant half-the features; while William thought it meant the entire game almost finished, with sound and voices, but only 1/2 the levels. Honest misunderstanding.

- William was surprised/distressed the game was progressing so fast, and decided to start production of collateral assets--even though there was really no actual hard deadline.

- Mark asked for the first installment, as agreed upon at the "half-way" milestone; William came with excuse after excuse of how he didn't have the money now, but really I'm good for it, just finish the game and give it to me and I'll give you double of what I don't have right now, trust me.

- Mark got pissed, stopped development and started working on other projects.

- William got pissed and announced the game early with the expectation of adding pressure from the community to have Mark finish the game.

- They discussed the matter, resolved to pay and proceed, but William made it clear that he thought it was completely normal and reasonable for Mark to continue working for free on the word of a man that had just made excuses for not being able to pay; and took umbrage at Mark's reaction.  This did not help diffuse the situation.

- With the first installment finally paid two or three months later, Mark continued progress but slower.  However, William started pressuring Mark to finished by a date that was just mentioned casually some time ago, when progress was quick and happy.

- William started adding requirements to the game in order to fit his heretofore unspoken criteria of quality:  sampled voices with British accents, options menu, 2 player game, high score table, cut scenes, etc.

- During this time, William also made it well known to Mark that he did not trust him, and that he wanted the ROM before paying anything else--even though he had already shown poor disposition to payment on time.  He also made a few comments on how the current transaction was an ordeal, and he didn't want to work with Mark in the future.  Obviously this boosted morale all around.

- William started giving ultimatums:  you WILL give me the ROM by this date; I WILL test it and decide whether it fits my criteria of finished, including all the extra features that we never negotiated but that I mentioned would be cool to have; you WILL fix or add anything I deem wanting; once I'm satisfied, ONLY THEN will I pay you.  Oh, and by the way, I want the source too because (as I have repeated to you already a few times) I don't want to deal with you again.

- William made an attempt at blackmail, whereas if Mark did not do as told, he would go public with a campaign to tarnish his name.  He did.

- Neither side could reconcile by this time.  A mediator  tried to help, and Mark gave the ostensibly finished ROM to the mediator. The community held its collective breath...

Nothing was heard afterward, so we can assume that the mediation attempt failed, and here we are.

It's all there in their original conversations, in their own words.

I see it from both sides and it's hugely disappointing to see such promise thrown away. 

What I will say, there is always two sides to a story. The communication between both parties needed to be better for their business needs, sadly it's to late now so let's let both parties move on.

Quote from: "zapiy"I see it from both sides and it's hugely disappointing to see such promise thrown away.

Agreed.  It was a very promising project, and we were all looking forward to it.

Quote from: "zapiy"What I will say, there is always two sides to a story.

Agreed again. Which is why I exhort people to read the transaction conversation and reach their own conclusions rather than just assuming one party is a victim and the other a retched thief.

This was a failure all around, but it has plenty of unprofessonal behaviour.

Quote from: "zapiy"The communication between both parties needed to be better for their business needs, sadly it's to late now so let's let both parties move on.

Yes, this works both ways, it includes stopping the rallying cries of victimization and martyrdom of Elektronite.  It's over, so lets move on.

I always look at the full facts, but i cant get away from the fact that there was lots of bad communication from both sides.. Thats life, hell it happens in real life so why not on the http://WWW. (http://www.).

What i want to bash out on here is i have a great rapport with you and Willy.. Please both of you keep this thread clean.. 

Quote from: "DZ-Jay"Wow, really?  Why not let people read the entire transaction and make their own opinions?

It's all out there, really.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?/topic/217049-Elektronite's-blackmail-attempt (//http)

Yes, really. Anyone is welcome to go read that thread on AtariAge should they wish to. I don't know why you're seemingly inferring that I have some sort of power to let or 'not let people read the entire transaction'. I also don't care for your inference there that by having given my opinion it somehow means I am obstructing others from forming their own opinions on the matter.

As for the story "all" being "out there" in that thread you've linked on AtariAge then that's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, anyone who believes that the whole story is covered on AtariAge is naive in the extreme.

Dz is a Groovy Bee sycophant, and I will cover his post in due time.

Meanwhile, I am too busy packing up boxes and overlays.

I WILL post my letter that I intended to post (The so called 'blackmail letter') that shows throughout, I was not dealt with in good faith by Mark Ball. It uses facts from my PM's that demonstrate for one thing, that Mark Ball lied about there being no completion date for Hover Bovver. My letter will show that  this guy was a difficult wanker, and if there is any reason that the game isn't coming out, it can be blamed on him. It can be verified if you take the time.

A fine tactic he used making an accusation of 'blackmail', and 'supporting' it with reams of Gifs of our PMs that if one took the time to read carefully was nothing of the sort. His sycophants come on and pull out parts where I was getting upset at his bad behavior and hold that up as me being unreasonable.
 
I negotiated the wage for writing this game based on getting the source code, stated or not. The extra money was meant to encourage him to write a game that he really had no interest (or anyone) in writing.

I wanted voice in the game, and knew that this would be extra work. The voice I got back (from video evidence) was utterly unacceptable. I refuse to release the game with that voice. So, there is no need for me to pay for it with that voice.

It was necessary for me to have the source code to swap out the voice and fix bugs.
 
None of my programmers have given me ANY trouble giving me source code or for that matter, regular development update roms. Why does Mark have to be so difficult? Why does everything have to be a battle with him? On what did he base his fear that I was going to run off and pirate his game? I've paid all of my programmers. I  have a reputation. A good one for delivering product. If I started ripping off programmers, I wouldn't have any write games for me.

This secretive nature of his and demands that I pay for a 'surprise' game were so out of order.

Mark has given me so much grief over this game, I frankly didn't want to have to deal with him in any way ever again.

He is a busy guy, and has a lot of people breathing down his neck for the games that he took money for on Atari Age. He should be using his time to finish those games, and not dealing with bugs or changing voices in my supposedly finished game.

Given his delays and gross over estimation of completion dates, I didn't want to have to rely on him to make any changes, even reasonable ones ever again. He has totally disregarded my release schedule, and didn't seem to give a shit that I've had 10,000 dollars tied up in this game since May.

I didn't want to have to wait for him to swap out that robot voice he put in. (And, he never actually said he would) Therefore, I needed the source to do it.

I gave him my word that I would not significantly change the game. (Through Albert) However, even people who write books have their books edited by publishers sometimes. If I was going to make wholesale changes to the game, I certainly wouldn't have paid him so much to write it in the first place! His fear that I would change it was as irrational as his fear that I would pirate his rom.

So, if we were going to make a deal, I needed the source code. I needed the Beta rom. I needed the final rom.

I needed Toby from AA to play the game  and let me know that:

1. It had 16 levels.

2. It had 2 player support.

3. It had sound effects, music, high score, intermission, game over, title etc.

4. It didn't suck balls.
 
If it had all of that, I was going to  send $4000 US as per our agreement, plus 3 copies of the game as agreed. I gave until September 30th, 2013 for him to decide. Of course, he ignored my demands, so I cancelled the game.

I don't see why these details should remain private, as all of my dealings with him have been made public.

Fair warning for others foolhardy enough to try to deal with that guy. 

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Quote from: "DZ-Jay"Wow, really?  Why not let people read the entire transaction and make their own opinions?

It's all out there, really.

http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?/topic/217049-Elektronite's-blackmail-attempt (//http)

Yes, really. Anyone is welcome to go read that thread on AtariAge should they wish to. I don't know why you're seemingly inferring that I have some sort of power to let or 'not let people read the entire transaction'. I also don't care for your inference there that by having given my opinion it somehow means I am obstructing others from forming their own opinions on the matter.

As for the story "all" being "out there" in that thread you've linked on AtariAge then that's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, anyone who believes that the whole story is covered on AtariAge is naive in the extreme.

It's not the "AtariAge thread" that I was referring to, but the screenshots of the conversations between two parties, which shows how the deal was wrought, then soured.

I wasn't inferring anything of you, I merely exhorted others to form their own opinions, as you have done.

Quote from: "Elektronite"Dz is a Groovy Bee sycophant, and I will cover his post in due time.

Thank you for calling me names.  Is that part of your professionalism?

I wonder if you know what the word means.  I don't defend Mark so much as I argue your position.  And if I do defend him, it has nothing to do with gaining his favour.

I find the entire thing unsavoury from both sides, but I only hear how Elektronite has been victimized, and you pushing this very dirty laundry into the public eye from the beginning.  I object to that.

The game is cancelled, its a pity, but lets move on.  Do we have to hear on every turn how much money you lost and how wronged you feel you have been?  Oh and by the way, please stop the threats.  Lets just stop this.

I won't address this topic any more, I wish you do the same.  It's time for the head of Elektronite to graciously practice some of that professionalism.

Quote from: "Elektronite"Dz is a Groovy Bee sycophant, and I will cover his post in due time.

I personally aren't in a position to comment fairly either way. The only observation I'd make that anyone falling for the nonsense propogated by the chief offender, plus that of his cheerleaders, in all of this would appear to be extremely gullible or have an agenda to serve. That's merely my opinion, of course.

Quote(The so called 'blackmail letter')

I saw the post to which you're referring and promptly laughed out loud at what a nonsense it patently was. The act of a desperate man trying to obfuscate by making sh*t up so to try diverting the attention away from the very obvious fact that he had repeatedly failed to answer your straightforward questions properly. Risable.

QuoteHis sycophants come on and...

Welcome to AtariAge, lol!

QuoteI don't see why these details should remain private, as all of my dealings with him have been made public.

Quite. You have nothing to hide and are being wholly transparent. Those with something to hide or an agenda to serve will hate you for it. The truth hurts for such people because it only serves to expose them. Watch his cronies start deserting him like rats abandoning a sinking ship once things are clear for all to see.

QuoteFair warning for others foolhardy enough to try to deal with that guy.

Precisely. You're doing the retro gaming community a great service by outing the person concerned for what he has done. You'll get hated on by people for it but when all is said and done they're just a small vocal minority with an agenda to serve. The majority of sensibly minded folk will see their nonsense for what it is. Don't let the fucktards grind you down and be aware that many on that forum are well aware of such cliques that rally around whenever one of their own is called out for shenanigans. Just because folk don't post out of fear of being personally abused, bullied and victimised by certain people doesn't mean folk don't see what's happened. Keep the faith! 

Quote from: "DZ-Jay"It's not the "AtariAge thread" that I was referring to, but the screenshots of the conversations between two parties, which shows how the deal was wrought, then soured.

Thank you for the clarification. I only assumed you were referring to the conversation on AtariAge due to you having linked the thread to said convervation on AtariAge at the point you did in your post.

QuoteI wasn't inferring anything of you, I merely exhorted others to form their own opinions, as you have done.

Cheers.

"Thank you for calling me names.  Is that part of your professionalism?

I wonder if you know what the word means.  I don't defend Mark so much as I argue your position.  And if I do defend him, it has nothing to do with gaining his favour."

I certainly know what the word 'sycophant' means. You certainly seem to kiss his ass a lot on Atari Age. Just today you were gushing over one of his unfinished games saying

"Cool! Will you be posting another beta ROM or a video with the tracks? "

You said on Atari Age "I'd like to point out that I am a very patient man, and will support Groovy in any of his projects, no matter how long they take. I am not sorry for pre-paying his games, and I will do so again, because I know that they will be awesome when completed. And I will wait whatever it takes."

I could continue.

Calling names? If the shoe fits.

"I find the entire thing unsavoury from both sides, but I only hear how Elektronite has been victimized, and you pushing this very dirty laundry into the public eye from the beginning.  I object to that."

You do?

Why are you not objecting to Mark Ball, aka 'Groovy Bee' posting ALL the PMs? And, you accuse me of airing dirty laundry, and deny being a sycophant?

You point out various stuff, but conveniently omit that I actually paid him $2000 US. Maybe that is nothing to you, but to me, it is a lot of money. No, no victim here. Just move along. Nothing to see......are you trying to cover up for him? Or, is it that you can't admit publically, that this is all driven by your enmity for me.

You love to attack me and try to disparage my 'professionalism' because I dared to make a game company that was professional. Does that offend you? Do you find me making a business out of your cherished hobby 'distasteful'?

Well, just so you know, my 'distasteful business' allowed you to release your game complete in box.

"The game is cancelled, its a pity, but lets move on.  Do we have to hear on every turn how much money you lost and how wronged you feel you have been?  Oh and by the way, please stop the threats.  Lets just stop this."

I think it is important that the community find out that Mark Ball is a fraud, despite you trying to shut down the discussion.

Threats? What the hell are you talking about?

"I won't address this topic any more, I wish you do the same.  It's time for the head of Elektronite to graciously practice some of that professionalism."

Oh, but you will. You will respond to have the 'last word'. You always do.

When you post things like 'Yes, this works both ways, it includes stopping the rallying cries of victimization and martyrdom of Elektronite.  It's over, so lets move on.'

It really equates to :

- I have the last word, let's move on after I've made these comments, do not rebut me.

Edited to remove an unnecessary comment at the end

This thread is breach of been locked, we do not tolerate argumentive behaviour between members, we understand the frustration of what's being said here etc, but please try to keep a constructive opinion.

Thank you.

Guys, the game has been cancelled.  Continuing to argue about it achieves nothing at this time.  If the discussion continues in the current argumentative way, the thread will be locked.  I suggest you agree to disagree on this matter and move on. 

I edited an insulting comment that I should not have made.

It is true that the game is cancelled. If DZ truly wants to 'move on' please do so.

My only desire is to sell off the remaining boxes and put this behind me.

Quote from: "Elektronite"I edited an insulting comment that I should not have made.

It is true that the game is cancelled. If DZ truly wants to 'move on' please do so.

My only desire is to sell off the remaining boxes and put this behind me.

Thank you.  This is, without a doubt, a very frustrating situation.  I hope the boxes sell out so you can recover some of the money you had to spend on this project. 

Just because you have mentioned my game, I'd like to address this point.

The Christmas Carol game was going to be released in spite of Elektronite.  I know you like to take credit (you've mentioned it before) because you produced the gatefold boxes, but keep in mind that you did that in a deal with Left Turn Only so that both could save money by printing in bulk.

You were not doing me a favour, it was a business deal, and had nothing to do with me.  Joe, of Left Turn Only, was my publisher.

Without that printing deal, the game would have still been produced--even if I had to bankroll it myself.  However, Joe did an excellent job, and I am very thankful for it.

Yes, you had the gatefold boxes made, and they are fine.  But you didn't have a monopoly on printing boxes nor producing games.

The game would have sold with or without a gatefold box--and it would have been just the same charming and fun game.

I don't see why this should even be brought up?

And by the way, I am not trying to shutdown a discussion.  I was merely pointing out that there are two sides to this issue, not just a victim.  Mark's reputation is at stake and people are being somewhat liberal in their assumptions because of a vociferous one-sided conversation.

I am sorry you lost money, that is never a good thing, but it seems clear it was a deal fraught with misunderstandings and unprofessionalism from the beginning, which led to bad blood.  It happens.

However, I don't think you are just a victim in all this, and I don't agree you should seek to destroy anyone's character for it--but that is my opinion, not sycophancy.

Feel free to have the last word, for I won't respond; but please try to keep it civil and avoid ad hominem attacks.  I disagree your position, and I argue your methods, but I don't go around calling you names.

     dZ.

Thank you for the reasonable reply.

The reason that I 'take credit' for your game being released, is that without my 'business' the whole production of JLP would not have been economically viable. My company drives sales of JLP and LTO Shells.

Yes, Joe supplies my carts and shells, and I supply his overlays and boxes, but what you fail to realize, is that without the economic activity of me moving so many boards and shells, your game would not have been viable, because the carts and shells would have been unacceptably expensive and Joe would not have been publishing your game. There was an entire run done of 'upside down' shells. They would not have been redone without Elektronite.

It isn't just a gatefold box and a professional quality overlay that I contributed.

I've always gotten the feeling that you have been 'offended' by my business, for lack of a better term, or maybe just me personally.

You have the opinion that your game would have gone ahead without me 'sullying' your hobby with my distasteful economic activity. I guess if you were willing to bankroll the game yourself, you are correct that it would have come out....but at what cost? I am sure that if you put your own money up, you certainly wouldn't be happy with 200 sales.

I brought it up, because, I believe that your personal bias against me is clouding your judgment on this issue.

I appreciate you saying that you are sorry I lost money.

Nevertheless, if I sell all of my boxes, and something else I have planned, I will 'break even' on Hover Bovver and will be happy.

I do agree that Mark's reputation is at stake.

Perhaps this incident will encourage Mark to finish the games he took money for. I hope for the community's sake, that is exactly what happens.
 
If he does deliver, people can write this incident off as a misunderstanding.

If not......?

Oh for heaven's sake, enough already!

DZ-Jay posted that as far as he was concerned,

Quote...It's over, so lets move on.

Elektonite responded to that with,

QuoteIt really equates to :

- I have the last word, let's move on after I've made these comments, do not rebut me.

And as sure as night follows day DZ-Jay all too predictably did just that by confirming that for him it isn't "over" at all because he's now done what Elektronite said he would by trying to have the last word and comically having the front to state,

QuoteFeel free to have the last word...

At least Elektronite responded in a civil manner to that. Phew!

For what it's worth I hope the powers that be here do not lock this thread. Doing so would only serve to further silence the debate and thus protect those whose conduct evidently doesn't warrant any protection from public scrutiny.

As long as folk avoid making ad hominem attacks and snide personal remarks against each other then I don't see anything wrong in passionate debate on an internet forum. Not every thread can sensibly be all sweetness and light with everyone agreeing and getting along together and nor should it. We're not here to achieve world peace, this is a discussion forum where, by the very nature of what discussion is, means that folk won't always agree on everything said. There's nothing wrong with that. So, like I said, passionate back and forth debate is fine as long as it doesn't involve ad hominem attacks, etc. Long live freedom of speech.

I do agree DC and as long as this debate does not spiral out of control then the thread will stay open. But I do believe we should move on and allow the dust to settle and see what happens next.

Quote from: "zapiy"I do agree DC and as long as this debate does not spiral out of control then the thread will stay open. But I do believe we should move on and allow the dust to settle and see what happens next.

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Quote from: "zapiy"I do agree DC and as long as this debate does not spiral out of control then the thread will stay open. But I do believe we should move on and allow the dust to settle and see what happens next.

Agree 1000%.  I rather we get excited about the other games Elektronite is getting ready! 

Sorry guys, have a pint on me, all around!

And as an offer of truce and good faith, I'll remind everyone that Elektronite has indeed a few more games to be released this year.  Hovver Bovver would have been nice, but Caves of Kroz and Paddle Party look very cool!  (I'm not counting Defender of the Crown until after the Kickstarter occurs.)

I've been waiting for Caves of Kroz since a demo was posted to the intv-programmer's mailing list a couple of years ago.

 Cheers!
   dZ.

Anyone interested in a Hover Bovver Box and overlays for their Intellivision collection go to

www.gamesforyourintellivision.com (//http) and follow the Hover Bovver link.

There are 70 packages left.

When they are gone, they are gone.

Got my box set today!  Thanks!

Hover Bovver is being redeveloped.

Support the effort by buying the 'Half Cut Edition'

Details here:

http://www.gamesforyourintellivision.com/halfcut.html (//http)

Cool!  Great to see this will be released and that the full game will indeed be redeveloped and sold. 

Listen to "George Plimpton" advertise Hover Bovver!

Quote from: "Elektronite"Listen to "George Plimpton" advertise Hover Bovver!

That is brilliant 

Thanks! We think it shows the kind of quality that we expect in a game.

More information about the 'Half Cut Edition' is available.





What is the 'Half Cut' edition you may ask? ......The Hover Bovver - Half Cut Edition is a cartridge in an LTO shell, with the planned official Hover Bovver Cartridge sticker.

It includes:


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The 'Milestone' '2 working levels' of the original (now cancelled) game





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The LTO/Elektronite Hover Bovver Voice Test rom, that works with an Intellivoice and features a voice actor with a British accent!



   (An example of the high quality voices that will be in the re-developed game)


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The Match 5 Demo.




 These three roms will be placed in a menu, as soon as possible, and shipped as soon as available for the cost of $40 US and
SHIPPING  IS INCLUDED!

At $40 US this is a tremendous value! But wait! There's MORE!

When you purchase 'Hover Bovver - Half Cut Edition', you not only will be supporting development of Hover Bovver to the high standard that this game deserves, but when the game is complete you will be able to return your Hover Bovver - Half Cut Edition circuit board and get the FULL GAME, returned to you on the circuit board FREE OF CHARGE!

That's right! By buying the 'Half Cut' edition, you will receive the 'Full Cut' version when you return the 'Half Cut' printed circuit board.

Make no mistake....the redevelopment of Hover Bovver depends on support. Some people have said 'Just let me know when the final version is available and I'll buy it.' and it is 'too complicated'. If there is no support, CGPI will refund all supporters with a $40 certificate towards the purchase of an Elektronite product, and they can KEEP the 'Half Cut Edition'. If the fans want to see the game produced, buy the Half Cut Edition today!

Another issue is the cancelled edition boxes. Currently, as of October 24, 2013, we have about 65 sets still available for purchase. There is no guarantee that the 'Full Cut Edition' will be  'CIB' (Complete in Box). At this time, there are no definite plans to reprint the box. If the cancelled editon boxes do not sell out, there will definitely NOT be a reprint. Regardless, any potential reprint of the box will be different from the 100 collectible sets of the original box.

When the game is complete, a manual will be available in PDF format for those who want to print their own, or for sale for a small fee.   

Finally, the game is being re-developed from scratch. None of the substandard' '2 working level' edition will be part of the final game. Elektronite is committed to publishing the highest quality games that you have come to expect.


You may order it here:

http://www.gamesforyourintellivision.com/halfcut.html (//http)

Great news indeed fella.

delighted to see this back on track..

So far, support has been pretty good.

However, the game is not 'back on track' unless we can raise the funds to pay the programmer.

I am fully prepared to refund the backers if not enough people buy the 'Half Cut' edition.

If people want to see the game produced, vote with your wallets!

I've been told that some people on another forum, are concerned that my ordering website for this version is 'spiteful'.

I don't care.

There is a reason that 'Match 5 Demo' is included on this cartridge. Because, the so called 'Milestone' rom, of '2 working levels' is an absolute joke! It is not a 2 level game. It has no sound. It has no dog AI. It has no mower acceleration.

The MAIN reason for the cancellation of the original games however, was the substandard voice on the original developers later version. This was a MAJOR quality concern. I have made a 'commercial' that has upset some people. Boo hoo! There are some  thin skinned people out there.

The sound demo rom included on the 'Half Cut Edition' cartridge will show people the kind of voice support that they are going to get with the new version.

I am not adding to or changing the '2 working level' ROM in any way. I have no concern if people get a bad impression of the original cancelled game. I am not actually 'selling' it, as it is not even playable.

The new game will be 100 percent new code from a new programmer.

I can assure you however, that what we release will be excellent quality.

So if I order half cut edition, how long do you forecast before the re-release full version becomes available? I realize it is only an estimate, but waiting years would not be good. Just curious.

BTW, thanks for making the effort to bring the reprogrammed full version to reality.

Fair question.

I cannot give a definite answer. The programmer who has agreed to do the game can't start for another month or so. However, he knows what he is doing, so I am hoping six months.

Regardless of the time limit, the fact is that getting the 'half cut' edition gives you a real cartridge that can at the very least, play a pretty good game of Match 5. As well, it is novel in that it has some really cool Intellivoice samples. You won't be paying your money and wondering in 8 months if you will ever get your game.

I have a feeling that some people might even just keep the 'Half Cut' version as a 'conversation piece' after the 'Full Cut' version comes out.

The whole situation regarding this title is such that I cannot make any promises regarding boxed versions or time of development. The only thing I can promise is that we won't release crap.

The "Half Cut Edition" is complete, and will be manufactured and shipped very soon.

This is a picture of the animated title.

Nice work fella..

I've been told some skeptics seem to be of the impression that my mass destruction of the Hover Bovver boxes is some sort of 'bluff'.

I've used about 50-100 already as paint catchers. I will definitely show a bunch destroyed with pics very soon.

If people think that the redeveloped version will be in the old box, they are mistaken.

There will be a new box or no box at all.

Just curious: Did the programmer you parted ways with ever complete the long-promised games he was taking money for on another forum? It seemed some were getting restless waiting.

It is my understanding that they were shown in partially completed form at a recent Retro show in the UK.

The prototype boards the games are supposed to go on have been shown as well.

So far, I do not think the games have been shipped.

Hopefully, the people who paid get their product soon.

However, most of the people who paid are very happy to fund his projects and are patiently waiting as far as I know.

Now that there is no concern as to which product should be finished first (Hover Bovver or Rocketeer), as long as he doesn't try to sell his version of Hover Bovver, I have nothing to say about his operation. It is none of my business.

Quote from: "Elektronite"I've been told some skeptics seem to be of the impression that my mass destruction of the Hover Bovver boxes is some sort of 'bluff'.

I've used about 50-100 already as paint catchers. I will definitely show a bunch destroyed with pics very soon.

If people think that the redeveloped version will be in the old box, they are mistaken.

There will be a new box or no box at all.

So, wait... Someone posts in AA and you respond over here?

That's strange.  This is the second post in RVG where you address people's comments from AtariAge.  Is it appropriate?

You might not have noticed James, (DZ-Jay), that I don't really post much on AA anymore. I'm not saying I will never post there, but I don't really like the place much.

However, I do correspond with people who have told me that someone there posted I am 'bluffing' about destroying the boxes. I'll have picture evidence soon.

I will of course, post them here, since it seems to be of some importance to some people purchasing HB boxes that they believe that all but 200 are destroyed. I can just email the pictures to you if you want and you can post them there. I don't give a shit.

What do you care about where I post about this issue? Or more specifically, WHY should you care? But, of course, I am not surprised that you question everything I do.  By the way, I've had people email me and comment that you seem to 'always be knocking what I do'. So, others have noticed that you just can't seem to resist attacking me at every opportunity. I suggest that you honour your pledge to stop picking public fights with me.

Guys, i see you both as valued members of this site so please dont let this get out of hand again.. There is obviously some tension between you two.. Hopefully you can both sort that overtime..

Chill out man, I wasn't attacking you.  I just thought it was strange that you responded here and not to the poster in the other forum.

I thought it would have been more appropriate to respond directly, otherwise, it just seems like gossip.  But whatever.

If Hover Bovver 'Take two' gets a box, it will have similar but different art.

Klay, Elektronite's resident artist, is coming up with a new box for Hover Bovver. Hopefully, we will have a new design to post soon.

Boulder Dash is getting a complete redraw from the original art as well.

I love the way that somebody at AA asked how "Hovver Bovver" was pronounced and somebody answered him completely wrongly 

It pronounced the same way it's spelt FFS!

Hov-ver bov-ver

Maybe we need to use a 'speak and spell'?

 

Quote from: "Elektronite"If Hover Bovver 'Take two' gets a box, it will have similar but different art.

Klay, Elektronite's resident artist, is coming up with a new box for Hover Bovver. Hopefully, we will have a new design to post soon.

That should then let the original boxes remain unique and good for collectors.

Quote from: "Elektronite"Boulder Dash is getting a complete redraw from the original art as well.

That's interesting.  Why the change in the box art?  Not that I've seen the original.  Just curious. 

No change....just a re draw versus a scan.

This is what it will look like, but updated and between the 'Elektronite waves'

Nice, nice. 

"Half Cuts" are starting to ship. It has been delayed a bit with manufacturing and being hit with orders.

I am hoping to have all orders in the mail before the weekend.

Cool, that's pretty quick.

Good work...

 

A scary Halloween night of destruction at Elektronite headquarters!!

Such shear and utter destruction. Was there no way to use any of those on the planned reprogrammed full release? Just seems like a waste of quite a bit of money to me.

An absolute waste, but printed for the cancelled version.

We are selling off a limited number of boxes to collectors. It would not be fair to the people who are contributing to the significant cost of the printing by purchasing the now rare box.

There are no guarantees that the new version will have any sort of box whatsoever. In fact, it is looking less likely every day, as this whole fiasco has caused a lot of bad feelings. It is likely that the redeveloped version will be a cart only release.

Sad to see all those boxes destroyed. 

Someone on AA said I was 'bluffing'.

I don't bluff.

A real shame allround to be fair..

Look what I got in the mail today!

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag160/TrekMD/RVG%20Images/IMG_0002_zps7b06b375.jpg)

Have you tried it yet?

What are your thoughts?

Quote from: "Elektronite"Have you tried it yet?

What are your thoughts?

Unfortunately, no, not yet.    It'll be a few days because I'm going on a trip tomorrow. 

Hover Bovver is back in development. The graphics are being worked on and coding will begin next week.

We are looking for voice actors with an English accent, by the way.

That's cool.  Good to see this is back in development. 

We feel that the game can be completed before the end of the year. I am aiming for an end of summer release of the loose cartridge.

CIB releases will depend on 'Executive Producer' help.

What's does an executive producer get?

An 'Executive producer' gets credit in the game and manual....and a number of copies that he or she can resell and most importantly, the knowledge that they have helped make a release successful.

Hover Bovver is being worked on and is scheduled for release in November/December this year.
 
Tim Naber has taken on the role of Executive Producer for its release and that includes the first 100 serial numbers.
 
This is an open ended, Serial Numbered, Shrink-wrapped release.
 
At this time only reservations are being taken.  Payment will be required when it gets closer to physical release. You can make your reservation by emailing Tim at tim.naber@comcast.net. If you're also an Atari Age member, you can reserve on this thread:  OFFICIAL Reservation Thread for Hover Bovver (//http).
 
Cost breakdown by serial number:

1. $200 - Free Shipping & fees
2. $150 - Free Shipping & fees
3. $150 - Free Shipping & fees
4 - 5 $125 ea.  - Free Shipping & fees
6 - 10 $100 ea. plus shipping and fees
11 and beyond $70 ea. plus shipping and fees

Shipping and fees for 1 in the US is $8.
Shipping and fees for 1 to Canada is $13.
Shipping and fees for 1 to the remainder of the world is $18.
Add $3 for each additional copy.

Unfortunately, the development of Hover Bovver has been delayed. We expect a spring 2016 release at this time.

We are going to be doing the voice acting very soon and convert it into Intellivoice data.

Thanks for the update! 

Thanks for the info chap. hope you are well?

Elektronite presents Jeff Minter's Hover Bovver for sale and ready to ship now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mowing the lawn has NEVER been so much fun!

The object of the game is to take on the role of Englishman Gordon Bennett and score as many points as possible by mowing as many as 16 different lawns with his Air-Mo Lawn mower! As you guide Gordon Bennett on his mowing mission, try your best not to annoy your dog Rover or the gardener, and avoid your neighbour's unwelcome attentions!

https://youtu.be/Mdz58AnXq3s

• You've never played a game like this before!
• Your lawn needs mowing and your mower doesn't work. What now?
• Borrow your neighbour's mower when he's not looking!
• Mow your way through as many as 16 lawns whilst avoiding 3 angry neghbours trying to retrieve their mowers!
• Set your dog onto the neighbour to help you out of tight spots.
• Make sure you do not overheat the mower or run over your dog!
• Do a good job! If you run over the flowers, the gardener will not be pleased!
• Save your high score permanently on the cartridge.
• It talks! INTELLIVISION VOICE SYNTHESIS CARTRIDGE.  107k / 84 seconds of digital voice. Realistic dog barking!
• 16 Different Lawns with the first 8 selectable at start.
• Background story from Jeff Minter.
• Programmed by Ã"scar Toledo Gutierrez

Go to https://www.naberhood.com to order your copy.

Cost breakdown by serial number:

1. $200 - Free Shipping & fees
2. $150 - Free Shipping & fees
3. $150 - Free Shipping & fees
4 - 5 $125 ea. - Free Shipping & fees
6 - 10 $100 ea. - Free Shipping & fees
11 and beyond $70 ea. plus shipping and fees

Shipping and fees for 1 in the US is approx. $8.
Shipping and fees for 1 to Canada is approx. $18.
Shipping and fees for 1 to the remainder of the world is approx. $27.
Add $3 for each additional copy.

All dollar amounts in US dollars.

This game has 107K of voice data and 84 seconds of speech!

It is the most accurate Intellivoice encoding done since the originals from Mattel.

A really fun game. Don't miss out and get your copy today!

Good to see it released at long last.  8)