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Title: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 17, 2013, 20:30:28 PM
Another fantastic game gets compared from arcade to home ports.  Let's play some Arkanoid!

[align=center:puvde84a]Let's Compare ( Arkanoid ) (http://http)[/align:puvde84a]
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 17, 2013, 20:47:26 PM
I am a big Arkanoid fan, I actually reviewed the Atari 8-bit version for here a week or so ago!  :16:
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 17, 2013, 21:07:22 PM
This game was adapted to far more home versions than I thought.  Good thing because it is a great game.  Though it was never ported to the Intellivision, it did inspire the very similar Stonix!

[align=center:2hy9h84v]Stonix for the Intellivision (http://http)[/align:2hy9h84v]
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 17, 2013, 21:28:27 PM
Despite owning Arkanoid on 800XL and later C64, i never went that much on it, prefering as i did Ricochet on C64.

A8 version though, nice use of colour, sound FX fine, just always found ball movement to be off somewhat and ball too large (no idea if this is due to hardware limitations).Enjoyable enough at times, Atari User magazine review tad too harsh, but i never felt the a8 version was as polished as it could be.

C64 version, better ball all round, superb music+sound FX, colours just tad washed out.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 19, 2013, 19:35:39 PM
I don't rate the C64 version at all from that video.

I thought the A8 version was superb though. The ST version is arcade perfect though and can be played with a mouse to give more precise control.

Speccy version is also rather good too.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 19, 2013, 19:40:11 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I don't rate the C64 version at all from that video.

I thought the A8 version was superb though. The ST version is arcade perfect though and can be played with a mouse to give more precise control.

Speccy version is also rather good too.

You can use a Neos Mouse on C64 version as well.But like i said earlier, sequel on C64 was better game, plus i prefered other games in this genre on C64, Traz was'nt bad either.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Havantgottaclue on June 22, 2013, 20:51:09 PM
This is quite simply an absolute trouncing by the C64 version of the Spectrum and Atari ones. I remember playing this on the "big telly" a couple of times (the C64 was usually plugged into a little 14" TV in the dining room) and the beefier sound really made the most of the terrific SFX. It has an authentic look to it, as well. The control options ensure that it plays far better than any joystick or key-based breakout clone of that time. I had a Commodore mouse, largely bought for the Advanced OCP Art Studio, but of course it came in very handy for this and Arkanoid 2, another fantastic conversion.

The Spectrum conversion is laudable considering the limitations of the machine, but the Atari XL version looks distinctly half-baked. It looks as though it got comparatively little attention, but even so, I do wonder how they could really have got by the 5-colour limitation of the Atari's character mode - even ANTIC splits don't help much when you have to have a couple of colours reserved for the background. Maybe some imaginative use of PMGs could've helped, but I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 22, 2013, 21:16:01 PM
Really?  :o

I still maintain that C64 version looks and sounds rubbish.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: DreamcastRIP on June 22, 2013, 21:41:09 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I don't rate the C64 version at all from that video.

I thought the A8 version was superb though. The ST version is arcade perfect though and can be played with a mouse to give more precise control.

Speccy version is also rather good too.

I recall having heard great things about the quality of the C-64 conversion back in the day.

Yep, the ST conversion was superb.

The Speccy version was mediocre at best... as indicated in the game's review in Crash at the time -

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/showmag.cgi?mag=Crash/Issue39/Pages/Crash3900022.jpg (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 22, 2013, 22:17:40 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Really?  :o

I still maintain that C64 version looks and sounds rubbish.

Define rubbish though.Colours look muted sure, but sounds rubbish, honestly? stunning title track, spot on sound FX and jingles.Still each to their own....


Mentioned before dedicated Atari press like Atari User Magazine were very unimpressed by the A8 version (i thought they were a little too harsh), was'nt aware Speccy version got such a mauling though.C64 version was very well reviewed.


DS version got slated by likes of Gamestm 5/10, basically by adding so little after all these years it came across as a very uninspired conversion.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 22, 2013, 22:22:03 PM
I hate the colours and the sound effects are just horrible to me. Just doesn't look or sound like Arkanoid IMO.

I have the DS version and I think it's rubbish. The double screen play just doesn't work at all, terrible idea.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 22, 2013, 22:30:06 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I hate the colours and the sound effects are just horrible to me. Just doesn't look or sound like Arkanoid IMO.

I have the DS version and I think it's rubbish. The double screen play just doesn't work at all, terrible idea.

The A8 version does'nt exactly 'look' like Arkanoid either though (IMO) the ball movement is off, plus ball looks more like a + than a ball.The C64 music is yet again a case of where the arcade music been improved.


Plus we are talking a tarted up Breakout here, visuals etc were workman like, as long as the 8 Bit versions retained playability, job was done.I'd rather play a version with a mouse (so C64 or ST) anyday over joystick (C64 or A8).response feels that much better.


:-) Actually if i had to play an 8 bit version these days i'd decline.PSN Shatter has spoilt me rotten...
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: DreamcastRIP on June 22, 2013, 22:59:10 PM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
DS version got slated by likes of Gamestm 5/10, basically by adding so little after all these years it came across as a very uninspired conversion.

I bought Arkanoid DS and personally found it one of the most enjoyable handheld videogames I've ever played. In fact, so highly did I rate it that I bought the Taito Spinner Controller peripheral for DS/DS Lite on Japanese import which made playing it better still. Superb game, imho.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/urzathetyrant/GBAtemp/PaddleDS/taitopaddle.jpg)

Quote from: "The Laird"
I have the DS version and I think it's rubbish. The double screen play just doesn't work at all, terrible idea.

Works fine for me on my DS Lite. Maybe it's more of an issue on your DSi XL.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: AmigaJay on June 22, 2013, 23:00:39 PM
Had a great time with the Speccy version, I'd don't care who says otherwise!
But it's irrelevant anyway, just load up MAME and play the original!  Hahawahmwah mwah!
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 22, 2013, 23:08:54 PM
As I said, the issue for me was that is uses 2 screens, which I found awkward and very unnatural. That is nothing to do with what model of DS I have.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: AmigaJay on June 22, 2013, 23:15:13 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
As I said, the issue for me was that is uses 2 screens, which I found awkward and very unnatural. That is nothing to do with what model of DS I have.
Yeah same for me, soon deleted it off...I mean *cough* sold it
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: DreamcastRIP on June 22, 2013, 23:19:04 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
As I said, the issue for me was that is uses 2 screens, which I found awkward and very unnatural. That is nothing to do with what model of DS I have.

Given that the screen dimensions are dramatically different between DS Lite and DSi XL then I was wondering if that could be a factor in explaining for why you have problems with the game and I do not.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: tomwaits on June 22, 2013, 23:50:09 PM
It's not a 'retro' console but Arkanoid Plus for Wiiware was a solid port. Remixed music, additional levels as DLC, time limit mode, side-by-side two player, and a few other minor additions.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 22, 2013, 23:51:11 PM
I would have never guessed that Arkanoid was going to generate so much discussion.  Good!  :)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 22, 2013, 23:56:47 PM
Quote from: "tomwaits"
It's not a 'retro' console but Arkanoid Plus for Wiiware was a solid port. Remixed music, additional levels as DLC, time limit mode, side-by-side two player, and a few other minor additions.

Does'nt matter mate, after all, what IS Arkanoid if not a then modern update of Breakout? so i welcome any updated versions since then.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: DreamcastRIP on June 23, 2013, 01:05:59 AM
@ tomwaits: Cheers for having mentioned Arkanoid Plus for Wiiware as I'd not even heard of it until now! I'll have a look into it soon. Here's hoping one can use the analogue stick/s of the Classic Controller rather than them having made it motion controls-only.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 23, 2013, 01:36:41 AM
:-) Maybe someone could track down the A8 coder of Arkanoid and find out what he thinks of the game, now (he also did A8 Green Beret i believe) and Atari User Magazine reviews of them both, along with internet wisdom from a few sites that the A8 version is the most 'graphically Primitive' of the 8 Bit versions.I'd also like to know if game was squuezed in 48K so it'd fit on all A8 machines.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 23, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Dug out the Atari User Magazine review of Arkanoid it scored:

Sound 4/10 Graphics 5/10, Playability 4/10 VFM 2/10 and Overall 4/10.

Reviewer (Richard Vanner) had played and loved the ST version and said '...i'm sorry to say the Atari 8 bit version is well below average' and closed review with ' The game lacks in graphics, the colours clash making the game at times impossible to see, there's no music and it seems to give out capsules by the dozen making each level too easy to complete'

He finished up say he expected a lot more could have been done with the A8 hardware, espically considering it was a Breakout game.


Cannot recal how easy game was, but i do recal level 2 was a really strain on the eyes due to colours used, so whilst his scores are harsh, i can see where he's coming from on a lot of the points he makes, going from the A8 version to the C64 i really appreciated the superb music and sfx, hence my thinking it was coded for a 48K Atari 8 bit and had it been 64K, we could have seen music as well.

Page 6 Magazine (who had good sense just to give opinion of games in reviews, did away with scores all told) loved the animation on the nasties, the very colourful playfield, said bat+ball were slightly dissapointing and it was a pity about the lack of music, but the few existing sounds were of reasonable quality.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: tomwaits on June 23, 2013, 13:45:31 PM
Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"
@ tomwaits: Cheers for having mentioned Arkanoid Plus for Wiiware as I'd not even heard of it until now! I'll have a look into it soon. Here's hoping one can use the analogue stick/s of the Classic Controller rather than them having made it motion controls-only.

The Classic Controller/Pro's analog stick works fine. Also works with a horizontal wiimote. I don't think there's even an option for motion controls.

The DLC pack is the Arkanoid 2 levels... at least at the start.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Havantgottaclue on June 23, 2013, 18:24:10 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I hate the colours and the sound effects are just horrible to me. Just doesn't look or sound like Arkanoid IMO.

I'd maintain that certainly visually, the C64 is pretty close to the arcade - in fact, for me it resembles the arcade version far more than the A8 version. Here's the first level as an example:

(http://iainstannard.com/images/arkanoid_c64.gif)
C64
(http://iainstannard.com/images/arkanoid_arcade.png)
Arcade
(http://iainstannard.com/images/arkanoid_a8.gif)
A8

It does of course show the much criticised lack of vibrancy in the C64's colour palette, but the resemblance is at least clear. Oddly, there is an extra line of cyan bricks, but that's the only major difference. The colour selection for the A8 not only lacks authenticity, it is a strangely dowdy set of colours for a machine with so many colours to choose from. Later levels don't get any better - the green-themed levels in particular are an eyesore, IMHO.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 23, 2013, 18:27:45 PM
I never said the A8 version looked more like the arcade, just that I preferred it :3:

But then I hate the look of most C64 games because of the awful colour palette it has.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 23, 2013, 18:32:16 PM
Two of the best Arkanoid clones out there are Impulse for the Falcon and Impluse X for the Jaguar:

Impulse by Duranik. Atari Falcon 030 game (http://http)

Impulse X gameplay (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 23, 2013, 19:15:59 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I never said the A8 version looked more like the arcade, just that I preferred it :3:

But then I hate the look of most C64 games because of the awful colour palette it has.

C64 games often look very washed out 'thanks' to the muted colour palette, but then i think back to some of the bizzare colour choices made by A8 coders on things like Arkanoid, where level 2 alone was a nightmare, or Who Dares Wins II (trees are green, everything else is a shade of brown it seems) and i hope you'll be interviewing the people behind them so i can ask why in the name of god they picked the colours they did.

I'm tad confused now Laird, your post said C64 version did'nt look like Arkanoid, which i  took to meaning did'nt match or replicate the look of the arcade game, still now it's been made clearer.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: DreamcastRIP on June 23, 2013, 21:09:15 PM
Quote from: "tomwaits"
Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"
@ tomwaits: Cheers for having mentioned Arkanoid Plus for Wiiware as I'd not even heard of it until now! I'll have a look into it soon. Here's hoping one can use the analogue stick/s of the Classic Controller rather than them having made it motion controls-only.

The Classic Controller/Pro's analog stick works fine. Also works with a horizontal wiimote. I don't think there's even an option for motion controls.

The DLC pack is the Arkanoid 2 levels... at least at the start.

I just looked on WiiWare. 800 points seems a little steep so I'll think about it. There's no mention of the DLC so I'm guessing one only sees that in-game - like IAPs on iOS, for instance.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 23, 2013, 21:24:11 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Two of the best Arkanoid clones out there are Impulse for the Falcon and Impluse X for the Jaguar:

Impulse by Duranik. Atari Falcon 030 game (http://http)

Impulse X gameplay (http://http)

Love the look of Impulse X, plus great music, but think that creaky door opening..ballon pop sound fx would get on my tits, very quickly.LOL
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Havantgottaclue on June 23, 2013, 21:57:23 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
I never said the A8 version looked more like the arcade, just that I preferred it :3:

No, you didn't. You said that the C64 version just didn't look like Arkanoid. Which originated in the arcades. The C64 version looks more like the arcade version than the A8 version does.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on June 23, 2013, 23:49:54 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"

But then I hate the look of most C64 games because of the awful colour palette it has.

Bit harsh to say it's awful IMO, sure it's less than the A8 range, but this is the machine that delivered 3 stunning looking Last Ninja games (high res and colourful), Mayhem, 2 Creatures games, Stormlord 1+2, Rainbow Islands, Dan Dare 2, Hunters Moon, Traz, Cal.Games, Delta, Cybernoid 1+2, Predator etc etc.When it's colours used well, fantastic results.Plus even the murky colours  came into their own when used properly, Platoon had a superb atmosphere thanks to great choice of colour selection.

It seems to be a myth that ALL C64 games were blocky, used lot of browns or murky colours.  Least on C64 we did'nt see Daley Thompson as a white sprite, lol.....
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 25, 2013, 21:54:22 PM
One of the very best Breakout/Arkanoid clones out there, Batty on the Spectrum:

Batty Walkthrough, ZX Spectrum (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 25, 2013, 22:05:55 PM
Another system that has a ton of different clones of this game is the GBA.  I'm surprised none of them made it to the comparison video.  Here are a couple of examples:

[align=center:3rmmuexg]Arkanoid Advance
arkanoid advance for GameBoy Advance (http://http)

Ar-Kan
ar-kan for GameBoy Advance (http://http)[/align:3rmmuexg]
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 26, 2013, 20:33:27 PM
That first one of the 2 is superb!  :16:
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 26, 2013, 21:07:35 PM
Most of the GBA clones are pretty close to the arcade and look like the first one I posted.  I still wanted to post the second one just to show the range.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 28, 2013, 20:05:29 PM
Impact for the Atari ST is a really nice Arkanoid clone:

Impact - Atari ST [Longplay] (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 28, 2013, 20:09:33 PM
That look pretty good.  I like how rhythmic the sounds are.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on June 29, 2013, 22:14:51 PM
[align=center:3ks1152b]A few portable Arkanoid clones:[/align:3ks1152b]
[align=center:3ks1152b]Longplay 002: Alleyway [GB] (http://http)

YBN Review: Woody Pop - Sega GameGear (http://http)

Cryst Ball on Watara / Quickshot Supervision . Gameplay & Commentary (http://http)[/align:3ks1152b]
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on June 30, 2013, 00:55:27 AM
This looks like another one of those games that has had just about every possible clone out there!
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Rogue Trooper on August 01, 2013, 15:24:27 PM
Zepplin's 'Ball Blasta' C64 been mentioned yet?

Psychedelic visuals, Adam Gilmore music and as well as power up's dropping in usual Arkanoid manner, you earnt credits to spend at a shop so you could buy features you wanted.Also  once you completed a level, you got to choose a new screen from a selection.

Coding was done by same team who did Zybex and Draconus.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on August 01, 2013, 22:45:47 PM
This is another Arkanoid clone on the Spectrum that I absolutely loved, I got it free on a Your Sinclair cover tape and was addicted to it for a while. The isometric 3D view adds something very different to the whole experience:

Ballbreaker (ZX Spectrum) (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: sloan on August 03, 2013, 00:45:09 AM
Many nice looking incantations of one of my favorite games on this thread. I just don't think any controller but a spinner does it justice, though. That is probably why NES Arkanoid is my favorite with the rotary Vaus controller.

Don't know if it counts, but SNES had its own Arkanoid, even compatible with the mouse controller if I recall:

Super Nintendo - Arkanoid - Doh It Again (1997) (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on August 04, 2013, 11:35:25 AM
Arkanoid 3 - a hack for the Atari ST. There is also a very similar hack for the Atari XL/XE too.

ATARI ST ARKANOID 3 (HACK) (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: SnakeEyes on December 12, 2013, 03:12:37 AM
While probably not the best version, I remember losing hours to Arkanoid 2 : revenge of Doh on the CPC. something about the bat and ball games that drag you in and keep you there for hours.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on December 13, 2013, 15:45:32 PM
Quote from: "SnakeEyes"
something about the bat and ball games that drag you in and keep you there for hours.

Yeah I totally agree, I love playing them. I also discovered another really good one yesterday - Fireball II for the Acorn Archimedes:

Fireball II (Acorn Archimedes, 1990) (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Shadowrunner on December 13, 2013, 17:25:32 PM
It's funny cause up until last year I really didn't like this genre of game at all. I found them difficult and I really sucked at them, but then I got Impulse X for the Jaguar and spent so much time playing it that now I absolutely love these games! Impulse X is my favourite but I've also been playing a lot of Arkanoid Doh It Again on the SNES and Breakout 2000 on the Jag.

There's also the awesome game Wizorb. It combines Arkanoid with a RPG and it's incredibly fun!

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGx83fNDBuOM_uP9FQwyf25i-mJqw9BLAjRU2w6JRimso2nGZu)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: Minerals on December 13, 2013, 19:06:49 PM
Wizorb is great, played it loads when it first came out on XBLA
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on December 16, 2013, 21:03:59 PM
This is a great game for the ST and Amiga that takes things from a different perspective:

ATARI ST SNOBALL IN HELL (http://http)
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on December 16, 2013, 21:43:25 PM
That's an interesting take on the concept.  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TL on December 20, 2013, 15:28:04 PM
If you are a PlayStation 1 owner then this game is pretty much an essential purchase in my opinion:

[align=center:9ycsax0h]Block Buster Sony Play Station (http://http)[/align:9ycsax0h]
Title: Re: Let's Compare Arkanoid
Post by: TrekMD on December 20, 2013, 16:05:32 PM
That looks awesome!