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Retro Console Gaming => Other Systems => Topic started by: davyk on February 09, 2013, 13:16:58 PM

Title: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: davyk on February 09, 2013, 13:16:58 PM
Anyone got the Nuon DVD player?

I'm a big Tenpest fan and loved the T2K and TX3 remakes (though I have to admit to not having played the original Jag version† - only the Saturn version).

I've always been intrigued by T3K and given its unlikely an emulator will come along (and really an emu is usually a poor 2nd choice for me) I've always kept an eye out for one.

Well - I saw one in Ca$h Converters a while back - £20 - I nearly crapped myself and impulse purchased it.

I am the owner of a Nuon DVD player - with no controller ports.

My heart sank when I got it home. Apparantly its the N505 - it is full Nuon spec and the motherboard has the required circuitry and terminal for controllers - but the ports are not there. I ask you - what arsehole made that decision?

Anyhow there is a guide to directly wiring Nuon controllers onto the terminals - so I'm toying with that. Got a brand new Nuon controller off eBay but† T3K still garners decent prices so I'll probably get someone handy with a soldering iron to do the job once I get the notion to sink the money and get a copy.

[align=center:3decn1u8](http://consollection.de/content/2.consoles/0300.DVD-N505-Nuon/dvdn505_1.jpg)[/align:3decn1u8]
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Rogue Trooper on February 09, 2013, 13:27:32 PM
Posted this a while back, elsewhere on the forum, but Jeff Minter was (very) willing to port Tempest 3000 to the Game Cube, he just needed a willing publisher to back him, none came forward so it sadly never happened.

Jaguar Tempest 2000 is fantastic, beats Saturn version by a good distance, but then it was written for the Jag's custom hardware.

I'd also recomend:Tempest X3 on PS1, Typhoon on PC and for a similar 'eat your own face off' exp. N20 on PS1
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on February 09, 2013, 13:31:41 PM
I don't own Nuon, I wish I did though! I have played on one many time at the old Jagfest events I used to go to, the Nuon of course has strong links to the Atari Jaguar as it had many of the same designers. Because of its links to the Jag it had several sequels to Jag games including Tempest 3000, Iron Soldier 3 and Merlin Racing (sequel to Atari Karts). There are also great versions of Tetris, Puzzle Bobble and Space Invaders for it.

I am assuming you know about Nuon Dome?

http://www.nuon-dome.com/ (http://www.nuon-dome.com/)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: tomwaits on February 09, 2013, 13:43:00 PM
Nice find! It should be easy to add a couple controller ports. I'd recommend adding connectors instead of wiring controllers directly to the terminals. Connectors are cheap and it would be easier to swap a broken controller if you ever needed to.

The Nuon has a few interesting games... Tempest 3000 and Iron Soldier 3 are my favorites. Merlin Racing is a pseudo-sequel to Atari Karts from the Jaguar. It's a nuisance that the memory card was never released though so you can't save high scores or progress. Some Nuon games use password save, but not all of them.

The N505 is one of the models that supports homebrews. I like Yaroze Classics better than most of the retail releases. You can download homebrews here:
http://nuon-dome.com/download.html (http://nuon-dome.com/download.html)


The Nuon also has a great VLM. Play an audio CD and watch the trippy light show. I think the VLM of the N505 runs at a higher resolution than my N501 but the N505 has fewer video effects.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: davyk on February 09, 2013, 14:41:18 PM
Quote from: "tomwaits"
Nice find! It should be easy to add a couple controller ports. I'd recommend adding connectors instead of wiring controllers directly to the terminals. Connectors are cheap and it would be easier to swap a broken controller if you ever needed to.

The Nuon has a few interesting games... Tempest 3000 and Iron Soldier 3 are my favorites. Merlin Racing is a pseudo-sequel to Atari Karts from the Jaguar. It's a nuisance that the memory card was never released though so you can't save high scores or progress. Some Nuon games use password save, but not all of them.

The N505 is one of the models that supports homebrews. I like Yaroze Classics better than most of the retail releases. You can download homebrews here:
http://nuon-dome.com/download.html (http://nuon-dome.com/download.html)


The Nuon also has a great VLM. Play an audio CD and watch the trippy light show. I think the VLM of the N505 runs at a higher resolution than my N501 but the N505 has fewer video effects.

Didn't know you could get connectors - will have a look around for those. The article at the Nuon dome site states they are hard to find and that is what put me off proceeding with this. There is another site that has a guide to using mini DIN connectors that looks more feasible.

Was wondering about the whole PAL/NTSC thing with Nuon - does that matter? Would T3K run slower on a PAL machine? Doesn't seem to be PAL/NTSC setting in the menu.

I'm actually using the player as my 2nd DVD machine and I've played around with the VLM which is pretty good - I understand it has some interactivity too if a controller is connected. This has got me energised again in getting T3K up and running.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TrekMD on February 09, 2013, 14:47:11 PM
I don't own one but, from what I've read and seen about it, it would be a console I wouldn't mind owning. 
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: tomwaits on February 09, 2013, 16:07:14 PM
I didn't realize the Nuon controller connectors were unique. I assumed they were the same size as usb but wired differently. Mini DINs would work fine too though... this guide seems to cover the mod pretty well: http://www.debaser.force9.co.uk/n505hack  (http://www.debaser.force9.co.uk/n505hack ) Only 4 wires per controller so it's an easy soldering job.


I'm in the US so I have no idea if the games run slower on PAL systems.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Rogue Trooper on February 09, 2013, 17:30:15 PM
Had a look at what was released for NUON, only 8 games, 1 of those, Korea only! so then looked at unreleased games, noticed Pitfall:Mayan Adventure in there, wonder how press would have scored it, seeing how Jaguar version got mauled.

Native 2-Follow up to the very impressive Jaguar 2D side scrolling shooter, but seems it never got beyond planing stage as VM Labs just were'nt interested in the game.What!!!! crying shame if true.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: davyk on February 09, 2013, 20:03:09 PM
Yeah - I'm only really interested in T3K - there's the kart game which might be interesting but that would be it really.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on February 09, 2013, 20:17:13 PM
Quote from: "davyK"
Yeah - I'm only really interested in T3K - there's the kart game which might be interesting but that would be it really.

Yeah that's Merlin Racing, which I already mentioned - the sequel to Atari Karts on the Jaguar.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: davyk on February 09, 2013, 20:34:04 PM
Yeah - the Merlin racing looks OK though I played Diddy Kong Racing a lot back in the day so it probably doesn't have anything over that.

I'm a sucker for Tetris and Space Invaders though so if I do get it sorted I'd probably get those and that marble puzzle game - Ballistic I think its called. Have that for Ps1 but its a nice game and would be worth adding to a small collection.

Iron soldier 3 seems to be in the daft rarity league and that's on Playstation anyway. T3K is the star attraction really.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
A couple of nice videos of Iron Soldier 3 on the Nuon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFZclQ2_XQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFZclQ2_XQ)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmXxUJEuFHE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmXxUJEuFHE)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: nakamura on March 09, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
I love those Iron Soldier menu screens.

What's a Nuon? I can't remember!  :-[
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 13:03:08 PM
Quote from: "nakamura"
I love those Iron Soldier menu screens.

What's a Nuon? I can't remember!  :-[

The Nuon (http://http) was a console/DVD player hybrid developed by VM Labs (http://http), who included several ex-Flare Design staff including Jaguar co-designer John Mathieson and former VP of Atari Richard Miller. Jeff Minter was also involved in the project.

The technology was licensed to people, much like that of the 3DO, with people like Goldstar and Toshiba producing models. Unfortunately they didn't see the PS2 coming with it's built in DVD player support and that killed pretty much any early momentum the system had.

The Nuon has sequels to a number of Jaguar games such as Iron Soldier 3, Tempest 3000 and Merlin Racing (Atari Karts 2)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: nakamura on March 09, 2013, 13:17:00 PM
Interesting!
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Rogue Trooper on March 09, 2013, 13:18:18 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "nakamura"
I love those Iron Soldier menu screens.

What's a Nuon? I can't remember!  :-[

The Nuon (http://http) was a console/DVD player hybrid developed by VM Labs (http://http), who included several ex-Flare Design staff including Jaguar co-designer John Mathieson and former VP of Atari Richard Miller. Jeff Minter was also involved in the project.

The technology was licensed to people, much like that of the 3DO, with people like Goldstar and Toshiba producing models. Unfortunately they didn't see the PS2 coming with it's built in DVD player support and that killed pretty much any early momentum the system had.

The Nuon has sequels to a number of Jaguar games such as Iron Soldier 3, Tempest 3000 and Merlin Racing (Atari Karts 2)

And least we forget, at the time a KEY engineer who'd been working with Sony on the Playstation 2 hardware, left the company to go and work on the development of Nuon.

The thinking was that by getting the Nuon chipset could exploit the DVD market, as to decode the information stored on a DVD, they needed an MPEG2 decoder, so NUON designed a chipset that not only had MPEG2 decoding, but was also a dedicated games playing piece of kit along with offering internet surfing etc.

NUON offered things like 20X Zoom In (with no loss of clarity), smooth picture searching (forward+Back) and Samsung models could add strobe effects to films, so it was a very impressive video decoding chipset.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Rogue Trooper on March 09, 2013, 13:20:18 PM
Iron Solider 3 appeared on PSone (and is rock hard) and Tempest 3000? Minter was looking for publishers to back him to convert it to the Game Cube, but none took him up, sadly.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 13:25:00 PM
Here is the glory of Tempest 3000 for those who have never seen or played it.

I once played this on a projector screen in a dark room, it totally wrecked my head!!!!¬†  :43:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6t0Hmu8uk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6t0Hmu8uk)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: nakamura on March 09, 2013, 13:33:51 PM
Tempest is always a game I wanted to like but it just never grabbed me. I can see the quality though. I did like N20 a lot though.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 13:36:37 PM
Quote from: "nakamura"
Tempest is always a game I wanted to like but it just never grabbed me. I can see the quality though. I did like N20 a lot though.

Each to their own. The soundtrack on that Nuon version is incredible too, really adds to the whole experience.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: nakamura on March 09, 2013, 13:40:17 PM
Yeah it does look nice. Much smoother visuals that the older version. I always loved the Tempest music too.

I don't hate it or anything, I can see why so many love it.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: tomwaits on March 09, 2013, 13:40:37 PM
Here's a video of my favorite game from the Yaroze Classics 3-pack Nuon homebrew. The video is poorly edited with abrupt transitions between different levels, but it's the only video I could find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWsfk59Y5xY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWsfk59Y5xY)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 13:46:00 PM
Never seen that before, thanks for posting it Tom!  :111:

Looks like a really nice take on Galaga with some insane on-screen action going on. That Tempest like trance mode at the end of the video is really interesting too!
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: nakamura on March 09, 2013, 13:46:54 PM
Yaroze?

Is this a homebrew port of PS1 homebrew?
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 13:50:47 PM
Quote from: "nakamura"
Yaroze?

Is this a homebrew port of PS1 homebrew?

It seems that way, here is a great link that talk about it:

http://www.dragonshadow.com/-/yc/ (http://www.dragonshadow.com/-/yc/)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: nakamura on March 09, 2013, 14:03:22 PM
It's cool to see things like that get ported. The Yaroze was a great thing and I loved seeing the home created games on demo discs. Sony do not get enough credit for this.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 14:05:30 PM
Quote from: "nakamura"
It's cool to see things like that get ported. The Yaroze was a great thing and I loved seeing the home created games on demo discs. Sony do not get enough credit for this.

Yeah I agree with that, good thread on PS1 Net Yaroze HERE! (http://http)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TrekMD on March 09, 2013, 14:29:56 PM
Those videos of Iron Solider 3 are pretty good.  Love the music in the menus.  :)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Rogue Trooper on March 09, 2013, 15:33:35 PM
(whistles....post's link:)

http://www.worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/t3k.htm (http://www.worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/t3k.htm)

(fuse lit....She's gonna blow! :-) )
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 09, 2013, 15:39:08 PM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
(whistles....post's link:)

http://www.worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/t3k.htm (http://www.worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/t3k.htm)

(fuse lit....She's gonna blow! :-) )

Considering who wrote that I am not even going to start reading it, I value Rev. Stu's opinion on video games as much as the catholic church's!
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 12, 2013, 22:34:40 PM
Here is Merlin Racing, the sequel to Atari Karts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA1XxHCMSxE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA1XxHCMSxE)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TrekMD on March 12, 2013, 23:59:00 PM
Looks cool.  Interesting choice of splitting the screen side by side. 
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 19, 2013, 18:53:29 PM
This is a very interesting looking game for the Nuon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UpDSUGXexA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UpDSUGXexA)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: tomwaits on March 19, 2013, 20:50:28 PM
Freefall 3050 is the worst Nuon game that I've played. Controls are sloppy and the camera always seems to pan to a useless or awkward angle. Not fun. The FMV intro is better than the game. :D
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 27, 2013, 17:20:13 PM
Demos for the NUON including Doom, Pac-Man and Breakout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe5lP8aEpA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe5lP8aEpA)
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Rogue Trooper on March 31, 2013, 21:01:05 PM
The VM Labs team was made up of 27 experienced engineers including:

Richard Miller (VP of technology at Atari from '89-'94, i seem to recal).

John Mathieson (aka the 'Father Of The Jaguar').

Greg laBrec (Ex-Sony)

Bill Rehbock (Ex-Sony), who was asked why leave Sony when Playstation was so succsessful and PS2 well underway in R+D?, to which he replied: 'They (VM Labs) knocked my socks off, i would'nt have left Sony unless this was a sure thing' (ahh, hindsight is a wonderful thing there Bill).

Other engineeers had experience on:the 3DO's original 'opera' chipset, Sinclair:spectrum+QL along with Ex-Apple engineers.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TL on March 31, 2013, 21:25:25 PM
Bill Rehbock was an ex-Atari producer too, most of the VM Labs crew had worked for Atari in one way or another.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TrekMD on September 04, 2015, 01:49:08 AM
Here is Rerez's video looking at the Nuon...

[align=center:3nr8hbi7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpViVaMtrM[/align:3nr8hbi7]
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: Saturn on September 04, 2015, 21:01:13 PM
Great video and very informative. I have Iron Soldier 3 for it but no Nuon. Was looking to buy one a decade ago but never did. It's too bad it's such a bad investment. Would love to play some Tempest 3000.
Looked around for an emulator and found the Nuance but it's reported to be slow yet still being actively worked on. That's probably the only way most will ever be able to enjoy T3K.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: TrekMD on September 04, 2015, 22:53:01 PM
Looks like the best way to enjoy TK3 will be through emulation...when it is done right.  Investing money on the console itself doesn't seem like a good idea.
Title: Re: The VM Labs Nuon
Post by: zapiy on September 05, 2015, 16:23:00 PM
I would love one, the games look great i must admit.