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Retro Console Gaming => Homebrew Chat => Topic started by: TL on September 22, 2012, 20:15:35 PM

Title: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 22, 2012, 20:15:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Sfztq8eSk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Sfztq8eSk)

The person coding it says it is 50% complete right now but has done most of the difficult stuff on it. He is going to contact Activision and try to get an official release (good luck with that!) and show it to David Crane too.

He was inspired to do it by the 30th anniversary of the game and this is his first ever effort at coding on the Lynx!

Really looking forward to seeing this completed!
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: zapiy on September 22, 2012, 20:17:14 PM
Brilliant stuff fella..

Yeah i doubt Activision will allow it, more like shut him down if he contacts them.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TrekMD on September 22, 2012, 22:56:31 PM
That is fantastic!  I also don't believe Activision would allow an official release, though.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 22, 2012, 23:00:19 PM
Just change the name to Jungle Lynx or something.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TrekMD on September 22, 2012, 23:03:09 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Just change the name to Jungle Lynx or something.

Will he still be able to do that after talking to Activision? 
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 22, 2012, 23:04:54 PM
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Quote from: "The Laird"
Just change the name to Jungle Lynx or something.

Will he still be able to do that after talking to Activision?

Possibly. I would even speak to them if I were him, they are well known for being wankers these days.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TrekMD on September 22, 2012, 23:06:13 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Quote from: "The Laird"
Just change the name to Jungle Lynx or something.

Will he still be able to do that after talking to Activision?

Possibly. I would even speak to them if I were him, they are well known for being wankers these days.

That's what I was thinking. He may be better off just changing the name and leaving it at that.
Title: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: zapiy on September 23, 2012, 00:25:58 AM
How would changing the name matter a rip off is a rip off.  Or is it not.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TrekMD on September 23, 2012, 00:28:01 AM
Quote from: "zapiy"
How would changing the name matter a rip off is a rip off.  Or is it not.
Well, there are a lot of examples where the games have been cloned and given different names.  It has, somehow, avoided legal issues.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 23, 2012, 00:51:07 AM
Cuthbert In The Jungle on the Dragon 32 - I rest my case!  ;)

http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/dragon/55.html (http://http)
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TrekMD on September 23, 2012, 01:12:26 AM
Doesn't get better than that example!
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 24, 2012, 14:34:26 PM
What I would personally do is replace Harry with Louie from Scrapyard Dog and invent some story about somebody stealing valuable scrap from his yard an hiding it in the jungle!
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: 108 Stars on September 24, 2012, 14:46:09 PM
I am working on converting the sprites to the correct size (the sprites pixels on the Atari 2600 Pitfall are twice as wide as they are high, so with the Lynx' square pixels Harry becomes a giant)

Now the thing is David Crane has posted in our thread and explained a bit about copyrights and trademarks. It's GREAT of him to personally take the time to do so.

So:
Gameplay cannot be copyrighted. Even the most unique gameplay can be ripped off in detail by US law.

Characters can be copyrighted: So characters that look like the ones we know from Pitfall would be dangerous.

Trademarks are the real danger: If we used Pitfall names or anything trademarked, Activision would HAVE to sue us by law. It's required from them; if we infringe a trademark and they do NOT interfere, they may lose the trademark forever.

It is up to LX.NET to decide how to proceed.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 24, 2012, 14:49:28 PM
Quote from: "108 Stars"
Gameplay cannot be copyrighted. Even the most unique gameplay can be ripped off in detail by US law.

Characters can be copyrighted: So characters that look like the ones we know from Pitfall would be dangerous.

Trademarks are the real danger: If we used Pitfall names or anything trademarked, Activision would HAVE to sue us by law. It's required from them; if we infringe a trademark and they do NOT interfere, they may lose the trademark forever.

It is up to LX.NET to decide how to proceed.

Exactly why I was saying he should change the name and even more so the character, I think my Scrapyard Dog idea would work perfectly
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TrekMD on September 24, 2012, 14:58:46 PM
So much for these ideas:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9OsySy6kIbE/UGBmmCGrvQI/AAAAAAAAOkg/OX7IFL-lhvs/s380/Pitfall%25201.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xiaf1Dt2k9k/UGBmmjDeu2I/AAAAAAAAOko/k5TaJu-Jvtw/s315/Pitfall%25202.jpg)
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: 108 Stars on September 24, 2012, 15:03:29 PM
@TrekMD
Nice mock-ups! :)

@Laird

The thing is Scrapyard Dog is probably still trademarked by someone else too; Creative Software Designs may have been bought by Atari sometime, and thus now belong to Infogrames/Atari. Or someone else bought the rights... maybe the devs still have it.

I really can't say how to proceed for sure; it's up to LX.NET to decide.

But in general you are correct, changing the characters and story to something else will be the safest way to go. It's just a bit disappointing because we tried to do a 1:1 port, that's why the graphics look so undetailed. That will not happen now.
Title: Re: Pitfall! - New Atari Lynx Homebrew!!!
Post by: TL on September 24, 2012, 17:14:41 PM
Quote from: "108 Stars"
@TrekMD
Nice mock-ups! ;)